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Are You Voting For Bush or Kerry - and Why?

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posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:18 PM
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East Coast.

You claim that everyone should vote for who they want, but you claim that if we vote for anyone but Kerry, then we are voting for Bush. What a bunch of crap. Why are you using fear to try to get people to vote for Kerry. Why do you equate voting for Bush as being a neocon. You claim that Kerry is a man of the people and that he is not an "elitist," but you are sadly wrong. Kerry is only out for him self. I have posted a resume that I have come across, read it and tell me where it shows Kerry as being on of the guys.

JOB APPLICATION



NAME: John Kerry

RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including Washington DC, worth multi-millions.


EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement. I voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA and defense bill in my career as a US Senator. I ordered Boston to remove a fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire.


MILITARY:

I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I then returned to the US, joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book; Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier shows how I truly feel about the military.


COLLEGE:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except marrying rich women and running HJ Heinz vicariously through my wife Teresa.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

As a US Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected.

My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make no or little charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in MA, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million.

I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I Blame George Bush for sending all of the jobs out of Country.

Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucketand Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts.


RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

None.


PERSONAL

I ride a Serotta Bike.

My Gulfstream V Jet I call The Flying Squirrel.

I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche".

I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture.

I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large polluting inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for the energy problems.


PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.




posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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You're awful sensitive. Facts are facts. The neo-cons/Likudniks have George W. Bush by the balls. If you can't see that, then you're not looking. I've said it before and I'll say it again, cognitive dissonance must be a sweet fantasy world to live in. If you support George W., so be it. If I were you, though, being the USA loving person you obviously are, I'd think LONG and HARD about what the truth really is.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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I find it interesting that you claim that because I support Bush, that I am ultimately being un-american. Who are pulling Kerry's strings, it's the far left. Kerry can't say it, he makes his entire campaign focus to be on a four month period of time. Why will Kerry not focus on his record in Congress. face it, no matter who wins, Kerry or Bush, They will not be able to do anything because our country has become polarized along political lines. Communism and Socialism does not work. The Government can not provide all things to all people. The Democrates favorite topic is that the rich got more money back in thier taxes. Last I knew it a flat percentage given back. If you pay more, you should get more back.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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Oh brother!

I think Eastcoastkid makes some good points.

Serious consideration should go into deciding who we cast our vote for.

Who cares what kind of bike the man rides or what he calls his plane. Are these reasons not to vote for him or figure he's incompetant? Isn't this like nit-picking?

Besides, who knows what kind of bike we'd ride or what we'd call our plane if we had one? What if he rode a Mongoose, would that make him more qualified?


Either you agree the way Bush has handled this situation or not and you will vote accordingly.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by jrsdls
I find it interesting that you claim that because I support Bush, that I am ultimately being un-american.


If you believe I said that, please quote me. Actually I said that you seem very pro American.


Who are pulling Kerry's strings, it's the far left. Kerry can't say it, he makes his entire campaign focus to be on a four month period of time. Why will Kerry not focus on his record in Congress.


That's pure rhetoric. I want to know why you support Bush. Not why you hate Kerry.


face it, no matter who wins, Kerry or Bush, They will not be able to do anything because our country has become polarized along political lines.


I'm sorry you feel that way. This is what impressed me about the DNC convention and the Kerry/Edwards campaign so far. They are out there stumping on a positive message. None of this Republican gloom and doom scare-mongering. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm so far beyond sick of it, I'm jumpin the fence - as I said before.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 12:49 PM
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mako,

I agree with you that it does not matter what kind of bike that Kerry rides or what he calls his jet. The point I was trying to make is that Kerry is not one of the common man that he likes to claim. He is not even one of the normal Rich guys. He's above them. I would not vote to someone because he is rich, al people running for major offices are Rich. I will not vote for Kerry because he is far left leaning liberal, while I am a moderate conservative.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 01:00 PM
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East Coast,

I am supporting Bush because I believe that he is the best man to lead the country in our war on terrorist. I know what Bush stands for, I don't know what Kerry stands for. He changes his mind so much it's hard for me to keep up. I disagree with several things about the Bush campaign but I agree with more. you say that you dislike the republicans because of" the Repulican gloom and doom scare-mongering." If I remember correctly it Was the Democrates that had a war room just to attack repulicans. What about the vicious attacks going on by Democratic operatives against the swifties that oppose Kerry? Believe it or not I am a registered Democrate. I am a true southern Democrate, but lately I have found that the there has been a switch, the values that I was raised with are now more in-line with the republicans.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by jrsdls
East Coast,

I am supporting Bush because I believe that he is the best man to lead the country in our war on terrorist. I know what Bush stands for, I don't know what Kerry stands for. He changes his mind so much it's hard for me to keep up. I disagree with several things about the Bush campaign but I agree with more. you say that you dislike the republicans because of" the Repulican gloom and doom scare-mongering." If I remember correctly it Was the Democrates that had a war room just to attack repulicans. What about the vicious attacks going on by Democratic operatives against the swifties that oppose Kerry? Believe it or not I am a registered Democrate. I am a true southern Democrate, but lately I have found that the there has been a switch, the values that I was raised with are now more in-line with the republicans.


I've been a lifelong conservative Republican. No more. The Republican party is full of hateful hypocrits and if there's one thing I hate more than anything, it's hypocrisy. Oh yeah - and NEO CONS - liberals who basically got ran out of the Democratic party (for being criminally insane). I'm no Democrat, either. I'm independent now. Give me someone with common sense, strong values and the willingness to be strong (not insane) on National DEFENSE. This pre-emptive war crap is just that. INSANE.

If you really want to know what Kerry is about then look it up online. It's all there. To say you don't know what he's about is just another way of saying I'm not gonna bother looking into it. It's online - look it up!

What makes George W. so qualified to lead the (bogus) war on terror, anyway? Tell me. Kerry commanded men in a real war, under live fire and saved lives. You don't get more qualified than that, I assure you.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I've been reading through the posts on this thread and am hearing a lot of interesting comments and views. Thanks to all who have contributed.

Cheers!



All I have to say is. Daym... dead on.

wraith



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 06:55 PM
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As an outsider, I find it interesting to see how neocons have caused the word "liberal" to become a bad word, so much so that labelling someone a liberal is a guarantee of giving that person or candidate a bad reputation.

So what's so hateful about liberalism? True, taken to extremes, it can mean huge deficits (but wait... isn't the Bush administration creating a big deficit right now?) and big government (but isn't Bush creating more agencies right now?) but the core values behind liberalism are sound - making sure the weaker in society don't get left behind.

So I say... if Kerry is for a limited and reasonable form of liberalism that promotes social compassion for those left behind, I say, damn good for him!



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Otts
As an outsider, I find it interesting to see how neocons have caused the word "liberal" to become a bad word, so much so that labelling someone a liberal is a guarantee of giving that person or candidate a bad reputation.


I was thinking about the same thing. Here's what I came to: the populace wants strong leaders, especially after being scared by 9/11 and such. Being tough can be construed as being non-liberal. "Strong" became the opposite of "liberal". Sadly.

It's sad that the word derived from "freedom" (liberty) bacame a curse word. Maybe America doesn't deserve it any more.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 07:18 PM
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Aelita - and some people are even starting to see FDR himself as a bad president because he was a Liberal!!!



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I've been a lifelong conservative Republican. No more. The Republican party is full of hateful hypocrits and if there's one thing I hate more than anything, it's hypocrisy.


And there you lose your credibility with me. You hate hypocrisy???? Do you think the Republicans have a monopoly on that? It's everywhere! Better yet half the hypocrisy doesn't exist at all. It is the demonizing from one side to the other that makes it look that way (note I only said half).

It's all become quite sad. I used to listen to the committee oldtimers talk about how during an election the Dems & Reps would go at it, but when it was over, the people had spoken and you accepted the person chosen as the choice of the people while still being able to go to the diner for coffee and sit at the same table with your political foes. They were your neighbors after all. Not anymore. Such a shame.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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I'm voting for Kerry. Why not G.Brish? They're both wealthy men, but G.Brish is attached to the international oil cartel through the Bush crime family's ownership of CONOCO and various other holdings. Mr G.Brish will lie, cheat and steal to get what he wants and has. What he has done in IRAQ is unforgivable in the sight of God(I believe) and if there is a god, I do not want to pay for G.Brish's sins, If there is no god, then I don't want that paranoid pres near any red buttons, bombs or constitutional amendments.
Mr. Kerry has been seasoned by combat, has more experience in the working of federal gov't, and is wealthy enough to be at least hard to buy.
Finally, of the two wives, I find Terry Kerry refreshingly blunt, direct, intelligent, independent, and SO REAL. I don't think she would stay married to a dishonorable person; she dosen't have to.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 12:21 AM
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I find it very disturbing that those who support Bush, know very few of the real facts about Kerry. I was disturbed about he so-called "Swift Boat allegations" until I read more. The ones that are making those allegations, were not even on the boat that he commanded, and all of those that were, stand by him unwaveringly. I am a Vietnam veteran, and I know that getting the decorations that he got, he had to go beyond the call of duty in order to get them. This reminds me of the trashing that was done to McCain in the primaries, when he was running for President. There was no grounds for the allegations, but many people believed them anyway.

As I said before, I don't think that Kerry is the best candidate for the job but he is better than Bush, and Ralph Nader doesn't have a chance, so he really isn't even on the radar.

As for Bush, its pretty plain that he was AWOL during his tour of duty, and that he got preferential treatment. One cannot deny that Kerry has a knowledge of what it is like to faced enemy fire, while Bush can on imagine. As veteran, I would rather have had a Commander and Chief, who knows what it was like to face enemy fire than one who has not. It makes me think of the "wet behind the ears lieutenants," who came to Vietnam straight out of ROTC and thought they knew it all. Ask any combat veteran and he will tell you that he would rather have a lieutenant who has been under fire than one that has not. It tends to take some of that gung-ho attitude out of one who has been under fire, which means that it isn't nearly as likely that they will order those under their command into impossible situations.

Speaking of impossible situations, it would seem that Bush has gotten us into an impossible situation in Iraq. Unfortunately we are seeing soldier after soldier either killed or wounded in Iraq. Moreover, instead of the situation getting better, it seems to remain the same or even be getting worse. There is a lot of unrest, and dissatisfaction among the Iraqis, and the majority of them don't seem to grateful that the Americans came to save the day. What Bush done there, seems a lot like what Hitler done to Poland, and the other countries he invaded before WWII. By invading sovereign nations, much like Hitler, Bush has made claims of the possibility of foreign aggression, and justified it as his reason for attacking. In both cases neither was the true.

How can anyone be blind to the lies that Bush has told. See this site for just a few of them. www.bushlies.com...

If you want to continue to hear lies, and face the very real possibility that we will have more Armed Forces personnel dying in other parts of the world, then I suppose Bush is the man for the job.


[edit on 8/19/2004 by Renegade Rivers]



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 05:34 AM
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I'll be voting for Kerry.

Not necessarily because I think he'll be a great leader, but because he ain't Bush. I know alot of people don't like that excuse, but that's just because Bush supporters know it's a legitimate one.

I supported Bush the first time around. I came from a Republican family, and considered myself a Republican for basically all of my life (well, at least once I knew enough to follow politics). But I won't be supporting him again. His presidency has been marred by blunder after blunder. He was dealt a tough hand with 9/11, but he could have handled it all better. He's soured the image of America to virtually the entire world. His aggressive policies have created far more enemies of the USA than we had before. The Iraq fiasco is pathethically sad, and it's unfortunate we've lost some great young Americans because of his quick trigger finger and foolish foreign policy. It's sad that Bush tries to play the nation against itself purely for political purposes (ie gay marriage). I could go on and on...

Quite simply, Bush has proven to be an incompetent leader. I don't know how much better Kerry will be, or if he even will be better, but I'll take that unknown over the proven ineptitude of the current administration.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 07:25 AM
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Why did it take Bush seven minutes to stand up and leave the classroom on 9/11? Then still spent an extra 20 minutes in the school? You claim Bush is making this country safer when he didnt have the common sense to remove him self from an Elementary School full of little kids. He is the PRESIDENT of the United States, we were under attack at the time, that man is a TARGET, he was endangering childs lives. Dont bother saying He didnt want to worry the little kids. The man could have stood up slowly and calmly said Your reading is very important kids, but I have some president business to attend to, bye. Then leave the class, and building.

Main reason Im voting for Kerry is because the man actually admitted to smoking marijuana.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 07:30 AM
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Just so you know: I attacked and took over 2 countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not
easy!).

I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over
the worst security failure in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in
US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month
period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since
the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.)

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in
any country in the history of the world.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military
occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the
United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one letter away from BS).

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!).

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World
Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoner! s of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year
made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in US and world history).

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who
violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
bidding for gov't contracts.

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US! history.

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war.

I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. (wink,wink)

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

With Love,
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House, Washington, DC

Note: This information should be useful to voters in the 2004 election.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 10:37 AM
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posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I've been a lifelong conservative Republican. No more. The Republican party is full of hateful hypocrits and if there's one thing I hate more than anything, it's hypocrisy.


And there you lose your credibility with me. You hate hypocrisy???? Do you think the Republicans have a monopoly on that? It's everywhere! Better yet half the hypocrisy doesn't exist at all. It is the demonizing from one side to the other that makes it look that way (note I only said half).

It's all become quite sad. I used to listen to the committee oldtimers talk about how during an election the Dems & Reps would go at it, but when it was over, the people had spoken and you accepted the person chosen as the choice of the people while still being able to go to the diner for coffee and sit at the same table with your political foes. They were your neighbors after all. Not anymore. Such a shame.



Guess what? I'm equally harsh with the Democratic party.

I was wondering.. you asked me on another thread if I earned my AIR ASSAULT wings. I gave you my answer. Will you have the courtesy to answer my question of you? Please see the thread. I'm quite curious to hear your answer.



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