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Sick Society sexualizes a ten year old girl

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by SirClem
 




I had not originally noticed the nailpolish. That kind of changes things. I mean, I really hate to admit this but now that I see that I just kind of well you know it's just that and um...well you know.




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
Is the reason why we see despcicable sexualisation here because society has been sexualised soo much that we see sex in everything?

Just my two cents.
edit on 5-8-2011 by EvanB because: just trying to get used to this ats lark


I would tend to agree and suggest that in France they may not be so torn up inside about sex that they look at this and immediately think "What sickos are going to get turned on by this?" I do not know much about daily culture in France but I understand that the US is one of the most uptight place in the world when it comes to seeing nudity and we make sex and nudity so dirty dirty dirty dirty where other cultures seem to understand that those things are both natural and can be beautiful. Just imagine if in the year 2011 USA some great artist tried to unveil "The David." The backlash over an exposed penis would be insane. Children in the US should not even know there is such a thing as a penis.

Then we have the opposite extreme where we know that sex sells and can be used to sell almost anything, it just has to have a wink and a nod or be an easy target like hip hop videos. We are all screwed up about sex here. I am still curious if any one has any stats on convicted pedophiles or child rapists in France as compared to the US.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by dalan.
 

So, the naked body is not soft porn if it is done provocatively? Interesting. Perhaps I will snatch some shots and see what ATS has to say about it. I would guess their definition is a bit different than yours mate.


Edit to add: You seem to like that shot. Better get your Freud book out.

edit on 5-8-2011 by SirClem because: response to a member spamming the thread


Got my Freud Book right here.


I have more discrediting his work.
Which way do you want to go?
You cannot define things however you want to. Porn is defined for you. You do not like it. Now, does ATS have rules against posting pornography? Do they have rules also against posting nudity?
Is the movie"Police Academy" pornography?
Let me get my books ready.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by Miraj
 

For the record, I never called for arrest. I trust the "authorities" even less than the parents to do what is right.
I only appeal to whatever common decency is left in people to make an honest call on the matter. It is hard for some, I think they are scared to be honest lest they be called a prude. It doesn't mean that you can't disagree, I respect that. Most people that think it is not "all that bad" still think it is a shame, and that is refreshing.



You are making a plea to people that had not seen these pictures to look at them and then...be upset? I don't get that. I would never had seen them had they not been presented in this thread. Now what do you want me to do about it?

This reminds me so much of the last segment of Bill Oreilly's show where he finds some reason to show half naked women and complain about people having to see it, all while yelling "look at this stuff!"

That really seems to be all you have done here. So really what are you saying? You wanted people to see them, and then be upset along with you? Since some of us are not, now what? I am really curious.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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This is what the girls mother had to say just before she closed her face book account:

Link: abyteofenews.com...
edit on 9-8-2011 by caladonea because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by NuclearAssault
And still I am amazed at this... Our societey is getting sicker every day. I cant imagine how badly this will affect this little girl's mind as she grows up... Probably just to turn into another empty shell of a woman


Maybe your society is the problem and not "society" in general.

"She also took to her daughter's Facebook fan page to blame a "bad personn in usa [sic]" for drawing attention to her daughter, before later posting that "something going's wrong at the moment [sic]." linkypoo
It really does seem at odds how Americans are getting their panties in a bunch over this. How do Americans feel when other countries denounce things that happen in America as less than moral? Think about all the violence and gore that is acceptable in America even on regular television. Many of my favorite horror films were banned in many European countries all while they apparently do not immediately think about sex when they see children like some apparently do here. Amazing how much rape happens when our military is in other countries keeping peace, isn't it?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic4life

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Cosmic4life
 


Oh so you see this as a sexual shoot and I dont and I'm the one who has a problem? Way to turn reality around.

[Edit] If this was an adult model would you think it's a porn shoot? Yes or no will suffice.
edit on 5/8/2011 by PsykoOps because: (no reason given)


If this was an adult would i think it was a porn shoot ? Well no,...but, i would see it as a sexual shoot.

Hope that clarifies things for you.

Cosmic...


Why?

2nd



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic4life

Originally posted by dalan.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by dalan.
 


Pfffft truth hurts don't it...

....surprised your so upset to discover your a bad parent, as your avatar states your a follower of Satan, why do you care what i say ? oh yes that's right, because your always seeking some justification for your actions.

You just keep on pretending to be the victim of nazi supernannies, when in truth it is you who would exploit and victimize your own children for financial gain.

And no i would not be your first customer or by the sound of things the last.

Another job for the CPA.

Cosmic...


That sounds like the rant of a pedophile.

If the shoe fits...


Well a Pedophile is some -one who loves WALKING !!

Your ignorance knows no bounds, try using spellchecker next time you try for a smart comment.

Cosmic...


In what dictionary?


pe·do·phile   /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/ Show Spelled[pee-duh-fahyl] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry .
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

dictionary.com

Just curious because the spelling looks the same to me.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by DieBravely
 

Vogue knows what they are doing, but does the little girl? Just look up the definition of exploitation.
I cannot address all posts, I don't have the time, but some key points should be addressed.

Comment: If "these" models were adult, no one would say anything. The fact that it is kids now, makes it pornography?
Me. I would say, that statement is true. Adults are free to express themselves, and it can be labeled as art or it can be marketed however the adult wishes it to be marketed. It can be pornography or just sexually suggestive poses. Adults have that freedom of expression. Unless they are exploited, they make this determination. Children usually don't. Perhaps this child is a business prodigy that knows how to exploit her own body.


But how does that make it sexual? You may have a case that she was exploited but no more so than any child on television and that does not make it sexual. Even that is a flimsy case but chances are pretty good that little girl really enjoyed dressing up and having her picture taken. The end result is that it was not used for nefarious purposes but some apparently wish that it was. So how does your reasoning make it sexual just because of the age and not simply exploitative?


Me. Nothing wrong with that. How do you know this girl loves wearing makeup and dressing up. I don't recall that she has been interviewed. Of course, we need a ten year old to interview her, don't you think?


How do you know she doesn't? What do you think the chances are a 10 year old girl enjoys dressing up and putting on makeup?


Comment: I have said it before, and I will say it again....(Thank you....btw.) If you see this as sexual you need.........drum roll....consultation.
Me. If I see it as sexual provocation, I am being ANALYTICAL. I am commenting on a photo shoot. I am making my feelings known.


One does not preclude the other.



Hello!


Hi!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by Nosred
 

I don't think it is anything new if by new you mean the last couple of decades or so.
That is not the point though.
You don't see it as sexually provocative. That is relevant. Thanks for the comment.



Tell me honestly how you feel about this image.

Please.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by brew8537
reply to post by Logman
 


I'm sure the majority of people don't find these photo's sexy but the people who took them and set them up, had every intention of making her look sexy and provocative. They are not illegal but the probably should be.
There is already enough sick individuals in society. Do we really need photo's like this out there encouraging them further? Ths is child exploitation at it's worst. parent like this don't deserve children..


You know what other people were thinking, what they intended, and you feel there should be laws against that.
How about the laws I want against the things I know you are thinking that I feel are so bad?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Akasirus
reply to post by Ironclad
 


So it's not possible to look at a person in a given situation and realize that they are being sexualized, without personally seeing it sexually yourself? For example, I don't have to think straight porn is sexy to realize that the woman getting gang banged is being sexualized (or sexually objectified, if you will).


If someone is involved in a gangbang and does not realize there is sex involved I think there is a larger problem but it has nothing to do with a 10 year old girl dressing up.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by x5deadlyvenoms
Look at the target audience for this publication. It is definitely NOT children.

Pre-teens on the front of a magazine like "Teen Bop" or something is understandable. It's target is teens.

Vogue is for adults. Therefore the image displayed is meant for adults, to attract them to the magazine. What is the image on the magazine implying? That the subject of the photograph is attractive, glamorous, and either something to desire, or something to aspire to.

Inappropriate. The end.


Vogue Enfants is aimed at adults? Can you expand on that?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
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Stop kidding yourself. The sole purpose in her posing in this manner is to suggest sexuality. Period.


OK.
Prove that.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by CaptainInstaban
 


You are putting words in my mouth. I said the male teachers found it to be a distraction. I never said they admitted to being aroused by it.
edit on 9-8-2011 by aero56 because: (no reason given)


What kind of distraction would you suggest over developed girls in tight, low cut tops are?
You spent a lot of time making the case that there does not need to be arousal for it to be sexual.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by caladonea
This is what the girls mother had to say just before she closed her face book account:

Link: abyteofenews.com...
edit on 9-8-2011 by caladonea because: (no reason given)


Yeah, she basically says because some uptight busy body over in the USA decided to make a huge deal about it, her daughter started getting bad feedback she then had to protect her from. Yay USA, the moral police of the world. If you are upset that a little girl looks to sexy for you, harass her.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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reply to post by Kitilani
 

I think you are posting some fine art. In fact, I am an artist.
Keep posting art work if you wish. ATS will let you know if it is porn. I will let you know if I consider it porn.
As opposed to ART that is.
You can let this thing go, you know. It is not a game of chess. (A game I LOVE btw.)



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by Kitilani
 

I think you are posting some fine art.

That is your opinion.

In fact, I am an artist.

Yeah, me too.

Keep posting art work if you wish. ATS will let you know if it is porn. I will let you know if I consider it porn.

You do realize that ATS has deemed the pictures of the little girl NOT PORN based on that, right? What you personally consider really has no relevance. I specifically asked something else.

As opposed to ART that is.

You can decide for you what is art and what is not. I can do the same. I see the same level of sexuality in what I posted as in the artistic photos this thread is about.

You can let this thing go, you know. It is not a game of chess. (A game I LOVE btw.)


Odd thing to write for someone so bent on having the last word.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Touchy....
Okay, you can have the last word. I saw like eight? posts by you, at least one addressed to me.
So, it is up to you, fill in the blank.
The last ___________.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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I'd say society is sick! Especially when, during an argument on facebook...the person i was debating with, regarding the London riots, mentions something about my daughters (who are 5 and 8) private part. I mean, who in their RIGHT mind, would reference something like that? Sure, he could have said: "My mommas pu$$y smells like...but to say my daughters'...had me scratching my head like, WTF??? Now, you tell me WTF???




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