What Proof Do You Have That The NWO Exists?

Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by patternfinder

 

I know people are dying in the Middle East but its only the US and these Terrorists fighting. Until i see a credible witness to these plans you or me cant be certain.

why do you think they are fighting?

reply to post by patternfinder


Oil

listen, zeer0, you don't want to know about it my friend...just keep believing what your are now and don't worry about it...if someone does give you the proof you are looking for, what will it do for you? you will just join the ranks of the unhappy.....you are walking on a thin line with the possibility of falling off on the wrong side.....once you actually find out what's going on, you can't turn back..thats for real....

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There is no proof. Just emotions and fear. Period.

Still doesn't make it not true.

reply to post by patternfinder


Ok i will man. Im just trying to figure this thing out and i want to know what compels some people to not only believe the NWO exists but why it is a threat and there is no threat. If anything you should embrace a One World Government.

Originally posted by Symp EL
reply to post by Zeer0

 

There is no proof. Just emotions and fear. Period.

Still doesn't make it not true.

when investigators are investigating a crime, there isn't always clear cut answers....they have to go with hunches or their gut feelings on things....sometimes an investigation can last for years before the case is cracked........all the while, the investigator is working with hints.....i can only send you in a direction, the rest is up to you if you really want to figure something out about it...but I'd rather you believe what you do now and not worry about it....

Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by patternfinder

 

Ok i will man. Im just trying to figure this thing out and i want to know what compels some people to not only believe the NWO exists but why it is a threat and there is no threat. If anything you should embrace a One World Government.

i see your point, it would be wonderful if turned out to be just some big nirvana shangri la.....have you ever heard of the great depression? the same guys who were responsible for that are responsible for this today....they weren't a good bunch of people....matter of fact, have you ever played the game half life?

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Nice foods for thought. But its obvious that the NWO is a plan to unite the Planet and not a plan to enslave all people of Earth and to commit Genocide. Thats far fetched.

I do not think "They" care one way or the other we are just numbers to them. Dan Estulin said they call us "The Great Unwashed" He also said it is more about a one world Incorporated more than One World Government.

This is a bit long but it gives you a better idea of how "They" operate.

It shows how a Corporate Cartel banded together to take over a market niche. Their take over is now almost complete. The "niche" is the world food supply, and the US government has been very active in HELPING!

I really REALLY suggest everyone read SHIELDING THE GIANT: USDA's “Don't Look, Don't Know”

The Elite have many more bases covered than just K street lobbyists.

The "farm Wars" shows just how complex the Elites plans can be. SEE:Nicole Johnson's great article tracing the plans go all the way back to 1942!

Food & Water Watch had a really great article on the USDA/FDA Ag Cartel connections. Unfortunately the article was wiped from the internet when the Rosa Delauro/Monsanto connection became known during the fight to defeat HR-875. Maude Barlow a “no dog in this fight” Canadian, is a director of both Food & Water Watch and Organic Consumers Assoc. She was handsomely rewarded for selling the US consumer out with an appointment as New Senior Advisor to the UN president on October 21, 2008.

Organic Consumers Assoc. had a graph (also removed from the internet) showing how food borne illness took a sharp rise, more than doubling, after the FDA/USDA replaced US food safety inspection with the International HACCP protocol. Under the new HACCP guidelines the corporations were now responsible for all the actual inspection and US "food" inspectors reduced to checking paperwork not food. So now the USDA/FDA are HACCP compliance "paperwork inspectors" and many government testing labs have been closed.

The banker owned media of course played up the food borne illness but not the actual cause - the removal of hands on government inspection.

If we go back in time we find Dwayne Orville Andreas, CEO of Archer Daniels Midland Company and former employee of Cargill, is the most prominent political campaign donor in the United States. He contributed millions of dollars to Democratic and Republican candidates alike for DECADES.

DAN AMSTUTZ and the REVOLVING DOOR
Dan Amstutz was CEO of Cargill and President and CEO of the North American Export Grain Association. Before joining government, Amstutz was a general partner of Goldman, Sachs and Company, the New York investment bank, where he initiated the firm’s commodities trading and futures brokerage businesses.

In 1995, Amstutz as a senior trade negotiator under Clinton, wrote the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture. It got rid of tariffs, opened borders and with the aid of the United Nations (OIE and FAO), the WTO WROTE the regulations for farming to be implemented worldwide. Amstutz was also part of the Reagan Administration for 6 years first as under secretary of agriculture for international affairs and commodity programs (1983-1987) and then as ambassador and chief negotiator for agriculture in the GATT Uruguay Round trade negotiations leading up to the WTO.

Republican or Democrat the Ag Cartel/Banker agenda was carried forward.

Amstutz's role in trade negotiations was just part of the agenda. His next step was to introduce the "Freedom to Farm" legislation of 1996. A seven-year farm program pressuring the US government to move away from its farmer support programs. This end of the US policy of buying and stockpiling grain reserves. The resulting over production of grain flooded the market, causing plunging farm prices. The effects on independent farmers was devastating. U.S. Farmers made up 3.4% of the labor force in 1980 and dropped to 1.9 % by 2002 despite 90% of farmers having outside jobs.

The super cheap grain produced by the new "Farm Policy" was bought up by the Ag cartel and exported to third world countries where it was sold at below production costs. This bankrupted third world farmers and lead to worldwide factory farms like the one in Mexico of Swine flu fame.

However the Ag cartel wasn't finished with their manipulations.

Next was the Biofuel law (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 ) and Archer Daniels Midland cleans up big time in the government susidized biofuel business. link and link

This new use of grain caused grain prices to rise but that was only part of the manipulation. Back to our good friend Dan Amstutz and his OTHER employer, Goldman Sachs.


Gramm, head of the CFTC, helped firms such as Goldman Sachs gain influence over the commodity markets. At the end of 2006, food prices across the world started to rise, suddenly. Wheat had shot up by 80 per cent, maize by 90 per cent, rice by 320 per cent.

...Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof....” www.independent.co.uk...

...Today three companies, Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, and Bunge control the world’s grain trade. Chemical giant Monsanto controls three-fifths of seed production. Unsurprisingly, in the last quarter of 2007, even as the world food crisis was breaking, Archer Daniels Midland’s profits jumped 20%, Monsanto 45%, and Cargill 60%. Recent speculation with food commodities has created another dangerous “boom.” After buying up grains and grain futures, traders are hoarding, withholding stocks and further inflating prices....” www.globalissues.org...

AND children starved to death....

In 2010 the Ag Cartel's Dream bill "The food Safety Modernization Act" was passed in the lame duck session. With a one line amendment in the near future inserting the Commerce Clause, the Ag cartel will have placed full control of ALL US food production INCLUDING YOUR GARDEN under THEIR World Trade Organization. Very neatly side stepping ANY citizen control of the industry.

I think it is more of a logical conclusion than proof. Throughout the history of the world plenty of NWOs have been attempted.

The question should be....Why wouldn't the most powerful people in the world not get together to cement that power globally.

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I agree with that but i see no proof of a World Domination plan.

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And who is Dan Estulin?

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And who is Dan Estulin?

Dan Estulin has been studying the group of world leaders who meet yearly in secret to decide what will happen in the world each year.

Here is the speech he gave
Daniel Estulin Bilderberg Speech at EU Parliament

Below the video is "Full transcript and details of Daniel Estulin's speech in the European..." click on the Show more button

Estulin's reports have been acurate enough over the years that he was invited to speak before the European Union Parliament. That takes him out of the "KooK" category and puts him solidly in the "Investigative Reporter" category.

Dunno if posted already

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Dunno if posted already

Nice find.

Here is some more concrete evidence. It is called "Harmonization" That is the laws of all countries are "harmonized" so they agree with each other. It is a DeFacto world government as the independent nature of sovereign governments is increasingly removed. Slow like a turtle is the method used by one group of Elite

Here are some of the headlines and snippets that show "Harmonizations is invading many categories of law.
EU And China Harmonize Their Approach On Censorship

Medvedev signs law to harmonize Customs Union, EU technical regulations...

The Streit Council - The Transatlantic Economic Council
"The TEC was established to harmonize the EU and the US in order to provide the foundations for a common transatlantic market."

The FDA on International Harmonization from their website in 2008

www.cfsan.fda.gov...

The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.
Participation in Codex Alimentarius
Cosmetics International Activities
International Organizations and Standard-Setting Bodies
International Office of Epizootics
International Plant Protection Convention
World Health Organization
Food and Agricultural Organization
Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA)
Joint Meeting on Pesticide Residues
Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Microbiological Risk Assessments
Pan American Health Organization
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development

Transnational Institute | Global Enforcement Regimes

Over the last decades the international community has taken initiatives to counter the alleged proliferation of transnational organised crime, political terrorism and money laundering....

A body of multilateral agreements have been put in place "to fight the scourge" at the international level. At the UN and G8 level conventions against transnational organised crime and regulations to counter money laundering are accepted, while the UN Security Council set in motion a global programme against international terrorism. The recurrent pattern is remarkably the same since the US internationalised its "war on drugs".....

The wide array of multilateral agreements, conventions, rules and regulations on drugs, crime, money laundering and terrorism amount to a modern day version of the "software of empire" - complementing the hardware of military intervention, economic sanctions etc.

Increasingly, these multilateral agreements are reached at inter-governmental level (such as the UN, G8, the EU) and presented as a fait accompli before national parliaments that are pressured to ratify them.

No government wants to be labelled as an outcast because a national parliament refuses to ratify these international agreements that are the result of complicated diplomatic bargaining and an alleged international consensus. At the level of the European Union a similar process is taking place in order to harmonize is security area....

We have a deFacto world government already, it just has not consolidated its grip.

If you do not believe we have a DeFacto world Government, Take a look at some of the latest.

China blasts US, urges new global reserve currency

..."China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets," China's official news agency said in a commentary.

"International supervision over the issue of US dollars should be introduced and a new, stable and secured global reserve currency may also be an option to avert a catastrophe caused by any single country,"

A FOREIGN country is calling for "International supervision over the issue of US dollars

Of course this is nothing new since the USA and the EU have been meddling in other countries affairs for a long time.

There was also the may 2011 G8 financial summit. G8 meeting: What's at stake

Short discussion of credit ratings of countries: money.cnn.com...

Good stuff but i think the NWO is just a plan or a term for World Unification or the changing of the current World Laws. We should be embracing this when you think about it.

reply to post by Zeer0

We should be embracing this when you think about it.

You WANT a dictatorship run by a few families who see us as no better than cattle and have no problem manipulating the food supply to cause starvation if it increases their profits???

This is just one of their manipulations that has caused misery and death. These are the SAME people who control the World Trade Organization and YOU want to control the world.

In 1995, Amstutz as a senior trade negotiator under Clinton, wrote the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture. It got rid of tariffs, opened borders and with the aid of the United Nations (OIE and FAO), the WTO WROTE the regulations for farming to be implemented worldwide. Amstutz was also part of the Reagan Administration for 6 years first as under secretary of agriculture for international affairs and commodity programs (1983-1987) and then as ambassador and chief negotiator for agriculture in the GATT Uruguay Round trade negotiations leading up to the WTO.


Amstutz's role in trade negotiations was just part of the agenda. His next step was to introduce the "Freedom to Farm" legislation of 1996. A seven-year farm program pressuring the US government to move away from its farmer support programs. This end of the US policy of buying and stockpiling grain reserves. The resulting over production of grain flooded the market, causing plunging farm prices. The effects on independent farmers was devastating. U.S. Farmers made up 3.4% of the labor force in 1980 and dropped to 1.9 % by 2002 despite 90% of farmers having outside jobs.

The super cheap grain produced by the new "Farm Policy" was bought up by the Ag cartel and exported to third world countries where it was sold at below production costs. This bankrupted third world farmers and lead to worldwide factory farms like the one in Mexico of Swine flu fame.

However the Ag cartel wasn't finished with their manipulations.

Next was the Biofuel law (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 ) and Archer Daniels Midland cleans up big time in the government susidized biofuel business. link and link

This new use of grain caused grain prices to rise but that was only part of the manipulation. Back to our good friend Dan Amstutz and his OTHER employer, Goldman Sachs.


Gramm, head of the CFTC, helped firms such as Goldman Sachs gain influence over the commodity markets. At the end of 2006, food prices across the world started to rise, suddenly. Wheat had shot up by 80 per cent, maize by 90 per cent, rice by 320 per cent.

...Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof....” www.independent.co.uk...

...Today three companies, Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, and Bunge control the world’s grain trade. Chemical giant Monsanto controls three-fifths of seed production. Unsurprisingly, in the last quarter of 2007, even as the world food crisis was breaking, Archer Daniels Midland’s profits jumped 20%, Monsanto 45%, and Cargill 60%. Recent speculation with food commodities has created another dangerous “boom.” After buying up grains and grain futures, traders are hoarding, withholding stocks and further inflating prices....” www.globalissues.org...

AND children starved to death....

reply to post by crimvelvet


No i dont want that extreme point of view i just want the planet to unite so we can get over the petty wars and discrimination in the World. A New World Order can have different meaning and the most logical one is that it just means Change on a global scale.

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No i dont want that extreme point of view i just want the planet to unite so we can get over the petty wars and discrimination in the World...

It is a very nice dream and I think most of us have it. But you would need a God to run it.

Unfortunately the Sociopaths and Megalomaniacs always seem to rise to the positions of power because they are ruthless and do not care who they step on on their way up. They are certainly not above murder either.

I have an ex-brother, who tried to kill me three times when we were kids. He had at least seven relatives spend their last days in his house and die within days of changing their will in his favor. This man is also CEO and President of a decent size corporation and looked up to in the community. Few of my relatives, unless on the receiving end of his schemes, have any idea of how treacherous the man is.

There are many many like him in politics. The only control mechanism is to keep government as small as possible.

I really really wish that was not true but it is.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Its more logical then Genocide and Concentration Camps for no reason.

Dude that sucks. What happened to him?