reply to post by TravelerintheDark
The base cost and therefor base value ..is the time one takes to imbibe and mull over that other persons experience [claimed] .. That requires a
passion to know other people and how the operate and why they operate like that in those times and places.
Empirical evidence has to be constantly monitored for accuracy as regards the kuhnian paradigm one has built in ones OWN headspace. Therefor, even
though Im sitting down and nothing appears to be floating away I can't say GRAVITY exists until I test for that in a way that is clearly
For example I now hold out a pen and I make the claim that GRAVITY DOESN'T EXIST and then test for that by releasing the pen and seeing what happens
during that one off test. Becuause although a similar method can be used nearly anywhere else a human being can be, its not the same environment or
even the same time and therefor nothing can be said SCIENTIFICALLY until that test is performed there and then etc and a clear and unambiguous result
[data] has been gained FOR THAT MOMENT ONLY!
Anything else would be a huge case of induction fallacy!
Or in other words... we can't say anything about our existential reality until we are testing accurately! And no matter how many times something
happens [say gravity holding me down etc.] we can't be 100% certain thats always going to be the case.
So it takes TIME and EFFORT [aka focused activity] to just get a taste of someone elses concept!
Mental gymnastics helps!
Walking a mile in another persons shoes [both figuratively in ones own mindseye and literally by MIMICRY] also goes a long way to understanding the
SPECIFICS of that environment!
Ultimately THE Universe provides us with a diverse enough genetic palette... that some like it hot and some like it cold and some like it in the pot 9
Generalities Versus Specifics! I call that track knowledge ... some guys have a home track they do very well on, and yet they are all hard core race
drivers driving hard core race cars around the same track on that same day!
Same with people! Generally anywhere you go there will be food, music, politics, the weather, work issues , family issues , God and churches and the
whole rest of the gamut that is general human life and living on this planet!
Specifically things like toiletseat covers and the influx of Muslim and other cultures that don't have a general culture of sitting down on a toilet
to have ones ablutions etc but do have a general culture of squating etc.
That SPECIFIC issue has lead to the creation of new toilet seats ... beacase squating on porcelin and small plastic seats that have little or no room
for ones feet has lead to disaster results for those unfortunate to have such a SERIOUS accident ..especially when one is in the middle of taking care
of a bowel movement!
So yeah ... thats the difference! If OL had never read up on weird stuff about toilets on ATS I would have never known. Seeing the horrendous pictures
of the broken toilets and how they cut these poor people open to a truly shocking degree also helped me get a handle on that in my mindeye.
I then went further to find out why these people who squat.. why they squat and why sitting comfortably is just something they don't do and with the
specific case of broken toilets and Muslims in the UK [OL is in Australia btw
] it comes down to religous cleansing rituals and practices that go
way way back and they work very well for them and their cultures .. because everyone who grows up there has that general knowledge ENGRAINED from
birth into them... the rest of us [in the west or wherever] have to learn by magic or luck or through being found wanting when he situation required
it and being quikly and possible horrible woken up to it by a local who knows and can afford to enlighten one to the real deal [when in rome]. Others
who have a deep and especially held passion for knowing other people and finding out about why other people do what they do etc. go further and
actively research that stuff!
The value is usually just at face value when engaged in everyday living as the universe doesn't require knowing to exist as there are many things
that get by.. by just being!
Knowing however does make things easier as its like a shortcut to the getting to the DO IT bit!
There are many levels to knowing and not all are scientific! I know I got my backside parked in a chair to type this ... but as thats just a case of
my incidental apparent and percieved local reality I can't say gravity exist until I specifically test for that..agian..in another there and then!
Personal Disclosure: Scale is everything! Without it ones sense of the details is lost!
P.S. Anybody who St*rs this post will have in some small way Valued OL's experience! Thanks