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NASA Answers Your Questions About Comet Elenin

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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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NASA Answers Your Questions About Comet Elenin


www.nasa.gov

Can this comet influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? Can this celestial object cause shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth?

I've heard about three days of darkness because of Comet Elenin. Will Elenin block out the sun for three days?

I've heard there is a "brown dwarf" theory about Comet Elenin. Would its mass be enough to pull Comet Honda's trajectory a significant amount? Could this be used to determine the mass of Elenin?


(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Okay, this reminds me of the FAQ page on the original site for HAARP back when in 1995, it was on the net at a navalintelligence.gov site, not Alaska.edu as it is today.

This was just tweeted moments ago (the link) from NASA.

So, if it's just a wimpy comet as they've been saying, and everyone (the small minority of conspiracy minded folks in this topic) is just a bunch of tinfoilhats, why address these claims, but less add validity to the concern by addressing "frivolous" and "pseudo-scientific" claims as to Comet Elenin?



www.nasa.gov
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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by the way, one question/answer on the navyintelligence.mil (don't remember the exact name the military chose for the site, but it was navy, and intelligence, and a (dot)mil site was this, and this was when I was a student in college back in 1995

FAQ page when something like this (the question/answer)

I can't find anything on the web to back up my claim from memory

Q: Can HAARP affect the earth's wobble:

A: Yes, but only infinitesimally, about 1/27th of a billionth of a degree

( I remember this from long ago, as a result of shock and awe at the reality of technology, a man made machine that could actually affect the earth's wobble...thought it both amazing, and crazy)



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Most Popular Questions About Comet Elenin When will Comet Elenin come closest to the Earth and appear the brightest? Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16, 2011. At its closest point, it will be 22 million miles (35 million kilometers) from us.





Will Comet Elenin come close to the Earth or between the Earth and the moon? Comet Elenin will not come closer to Earth than 22 million miles (35 million kilometers). That's more than 90 times the distance to the moon.



Can this comet influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? Can this celestial object cause shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth? There have been incorrect speculations on the Internet that alignments of comet Elenin with other celestial bodies could cause consequences for Earth and external forces could cause comet Elenin to come closer. "Any approximate alignments of comet Elenin with other celestial bodies are meaningless, and the comet will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth," said Don Yeomans, a scientist at NASA JPL. "Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets," said Yeomans. "And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt. "So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers (about 22 million miles)" said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably minuscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will." I've heard about three days of darkness because of Comet Elenin. Will Elenin block out the sun for three days? “As seen from the Earth, comet Elenin will not cross the sun’s face,” says Yeomans. But even if it could cross the sun, which it can’t, astrobiologist David Morrison notes that comet Elenin is about 2-3 miles (3-5 km) wide, while the sun is roughly 865,000 miles (1,392,082 km) across. How could such a small object block the sun which is such a large object? Let's think about an eclipse of the sun, which happens when the moon appears between the Earth and the sun. The moon is about 2,500 miles (4,000 km) in diameter, and has the same apparent size as the sun when it is about 250,000 miles (400,000 km) away -- roughly 100 times its own diameter. For a comet with a diameter of about 2-3 miles (3-5 km) to cover the sun it would have to be within 250 miles (400 km), roughly the orbital altitude of the International Space Station. However, as stated above, this comet will come no closer to Earth than 22 million miles. I've heard there is a "brown dwarf" theory about Comet Elenin. Would its mass be enough to pull Comet Honda's trajectory a significant amount? Could this be used to determine the mass of Elenin? Morrison says that there is no 'brown dwarf theory' of this comet. "A comet is nothing like a brown dwarf. You are correct that the way astronomers measure the mass of one object is by its gravitational effect on another, but comets are far too small to have a measurable influence on anything." If we had a black or brown dwarf in our outer solar system, I guess no one could see it, right? "No, that’s not correct," says Morrison. "If we had a brown dwarf star in the outer solar system, we could see it, detect its infrared energy and measure its perturbing effect on other objects. There is no brown dwarf in the solar system, otherwise we would have detected it. And there is no such thing as a black dwarf." Will Comet Elenin be visible to the naked eye when it's closer to us? I missed Hale-Bopp's passing, so I want to know if we'll actually be able to see something in the sky when Elenin passes. We don't know yet if Comet Elenin will be visible to the naked eye. Morrison says, "At the rate it is going, seeing the comet at its best in early October will require binoculars and a very dark sky. Unfortunately, Elenin is no substitute for seeing comet Hale-Bopp, which was the brightest comet of the past several decades." "This comet may not put on a great show. Just as certainly, it will not cause any disruptions here on Earth. But, there is a cause to marvel," said Yeomans. "This intrepid little traveler will offer astronomers a chance to study a relatively young comet that came here from well beyond our solar system's planetary region. After a short while, it will be headed back out again, and we will not see or hear from Elenin for thousands of years. That's pretty cool." This comet has been called 'wimpy' by NASA scientists. Why? "We're talking about how a comet looks as it safely flies past us," said Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office. "Some cometary visitors arriving from beyond the planetary region – like Hale-Bopp in 1997 -- have really lit up the night sky where you can see them easily with the naked eye as they safely transit the inner-solar system. But Elenin is trending toward the other end of the spectrum. You'll probably need a good pair of binoculars, clear skies and a dark, secluded location to see it even on its brightest night." Why aren't you talking more about Comet Elenin? If these things are small and nothing to worry about, why has there been no public info on Comet Elenin? Comet Elenin hasn't received much press precisely because it is small and faint. Several new comets are discovered each year, and you don't normally hear about them either. The truth is that Elenin has received much more attention than it deserves due to a variety of Internet postings that are untrue. The information NASA has on Elenin is readily available on the Internet. (See www.nasa.gov...) If this comet were any danger to anyone, you would certainly know about it. For more information, visit NASA’s AsteroidWatch site at www.jpl.nasa.gov... I've heard NASA has observed Elenin many times more than other comets. Is this true, and is NASA playing this comet down? NASA regularly detects, tracks and characterizes asteroids and comets passing relatively close to Earth using both ground- and space-based telescopes. The Near-Earth Object Observations Program, commonly called "Spaceguard," discovers these objects, characterizes a subset of them and predicts their paths to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet. For more information, visit the NASA-JPL Near Earth Objects site at www.jpl.nasa.gov... and the Near Earth Objects site at neo.jpl.nasa.gov... However, neither NASA nor JPL is in the business of actively observing Elenin or any other comet. Most of the posted observations are made by amateur astronomers around the world. Since Elenin has had so much publicity, it naturally has attracted more observers. I was looking at the orbital diagram of Comet Elenin on the JPL website, and I was wondering why the orbit shows some angles when zooming? If you pick any other comet, you can see that there are no angles or bends. Many people are trying to plot the orbit of the comet with the routine on the JPL website, without realizing that this is just a simple visualization tool. While the tool has been recently improved to show smoother trajectories near the sun, it is not a scientific program to generate an accurate orbit. Yeomans explains that the orbit plotter on the Near-Earth Object website is not meant to accurately depict the true motion of objects over long time intervals, nor is it accurate during close planetary encounters. For more accurate long-term plotting, Yeomans suggests using the JPL Horizons system instead: ssd.jpl.nasa.gov.../2010%20X1.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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So, if it's just a wimpy comet as they've been saying, and everyone (the small minority of conspiracy minded folks in this topic) is just a bunch of tinfoilhats, why address these claims, but less add validity to the concern by addressing "frivolous" and "pseudo-scientific" claims as to Comet Elenin?


Because for months, people were claiming that NASA not talking about it was "proof" of a cover-up!
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Double post.
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Just can't win .....

If they say nothing people say "why aren't they saying anything?"
- They weren't saying anything because its just a typical comet. A less than spectacular one at that.


Address it and people say "why are they addressing it?"
- They're addressing it now because they're getting a lot of mail from paranoid people asking about it, and they feel like they have to address it. Sounds like a responsible thing to do if you ask me.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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oh yawn...not even a meteor show then....sigh...that's what I was looking forward to...the tail......now it looks like it's just a pile of dirt......
oh well onto the next doom and gloom scenario

2012 anyone?...lol





posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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did you really have to quote the entire article there?
it makes the thread look garish

you only needed to quote this

By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will

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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by N34Li3Z
 



So, if it's just a wimpy comet as they've been saying, and everyone (the small minority of conspiracy minded folks in this topic) is just a bunch of tinfoilhats, why address these claims, but less add validity to the concern by addressing "frivolous" and "pseudo-scientific" claims as to Comet Elenin?


Because for months, people were claiming that NASA not talking about it was "proof" of a cover-up!
edit on 4-8-2011 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)


so, in order to address the concerns of a minority of conspiracy "nuts" they divulge this information to the entire world?

If anyone following nasa didn't already speculate these theories, they will now..or at least think about it.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Forevever
Just can't win .....

If they say nothing people say "why aren't they saying anything?"
- They weren't saying anything because its just a typical comet. A less than spectacular one at that.


Address it and people say "why are they addressing it?"
- They're addressing it now because they're getting a lot of mail from paranoid people asking about it, and they feel like they have to address it. Sounds like a responsible thing to do if you ask me.


your logic states, if this is the true reason a government agency is "being responsible," then why not other agencies address other conspiracies involving a greater audience?

for instance, why isn't CIA.gov or any other government agencies addressing conspiracy thinkers with a question answer session.

Being responsible? LOL GTFO, lol.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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what is the point of copying and pasting? its a link for a reason..

no star, no flag.
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Forevever
reply to post by N34Li3Z
 


did you really have to quote the entire article there?
it makes the thread look garish

you only needed to quote this

By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will

edit on 4-8-2011 by Forevever because: (no reason given)


no, I didn't have to quote the article, matter of fact I didn't really have to post the thread.

did you really have to make issue of quoting the entire article?

it makes your response look...well, trollish. Thanks for your keen intellectual deposit to the thread.


*flush*



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Once again, Space Act of 1958..



REPORTS TO CONGRESS Sec. 20116. Reports to Congress
(a) Presidential Report.--The President shall transmit to Congress in May of each year a report, which shall include—

(1) a comprehensive description of the programmed activities and the accomplishments of all agencies of the United States in the field of aeronautics and space activities during the preceding fiscal year; and
(2) an evaluation of such activities and accomplishments in terms of the attainment of, or the failure to attain, the objectives described in section 20102(d) of this title.

(b) Recommendations for Additional Legislation.--Any report made under this section shall contain such recommendations for additional legislation as the Administrator or the President may consider necessary or desirable for the attainment of the objectives described in section 20102(d) of this title.

(c) Classified Information.--No information that has been classified for reasons of 'national security' shall be included in any report made under this section, unless the information has been declassified by, or pursuant to authorization given by, the President.


If it destabilizes 'civilization' NASA will not report.

source: www.nasa.gov...



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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I would rather appear trollish than appear to be fearmongering on unsubstantiated youtube videos.

Good luck to you. See you in November.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Gwampo
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what is the point of copying and pasting? its a link for a reason..

no star, no flag.
edit on 4-8-2011 by Gwampo because: (no reason given)


wow, trolls lining up in droves! really, issues that you don't have to click a link, you can read the entire article here? Quite sorry for using a feature of ATS thread posting called "ex-txt."

btw, star and flag? none for this? lol, I really don't post for "stars and flags," I post because I find something of interest.

Matter of fact, I suggest no one give this a star, or flag. It's just an article related to a subject of controversy on this site.

I'm sure everyone will read it anyway, the ones who care (comet Elenin conspiracists).

Really? LOL @ "no star and flag". I will admit, I'm new to ATS, but that's kinda like telling me, "no cookies, or milk for you!" when I am sitting on a stash of cookies, and two gallons of milk in the fridge. lol.

Okay, no more responding to trollific responses. I just had to take time to respond to a couple of knuckleheads-like respondents.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Why is it that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll?
Rhetorical. You should answer that question to yourself.

I'm not really here, I left. You're hallucinating.

Peace ♥



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Register to remove banners from posts I have come here to see if I can pick your brains..... I have been reearching the Comet Elenin and the twin sun behind it approaching earth... Nasa are saying it is only 4km accross... it is not... it is at least 80km in diameter and growing, it will be crosing our orbit oct and nov this year we will be in its tail.... some say it will cause a pole shift... from my research I am enclined to believe the same... Please could someone show me a map of the world 26,ooo years ago or something similar... I would like to know where the oceans are and how the land is situated... or can someone point me to a site where I could get this info...

many thanks



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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I think we could do with being a little kinder to the OP here !

Check out the date they joined.

Remember when you were new, and were a little unsure of how everything works ?

It's fine to point out the errors, but maybe a little more diplomacey.

Well done OP S+F for an informative post, I'm sure by now you have learnt as much about posting as we have about your thread


For what it's worth, I have heard NASA state before that ATS along with another site, as being inaccurrate places to source out the facts, which I felt was ehcoed throughtout the article, as a lot of the questions NASA posed to anwser have been involved in, or threads on ATS outright.

Nasa love to troll ATS ?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by N34Li3Z


Okay, this reminds me of the FAQ page on the original site for HAARP back when in 1995, it was on the net at a navalintelligence.gov site, not Alaska.edu as it is today.

This was just tweeted moments ago (the link) from NASA.

So, if it's just a wimpy comet as they've been saying, and everyone (the small minority of conspiracy minded folks in this topic) is just a bunch of tinfoilhats, why address these claims, but less add validity to the concern by addressing "frivolous" and "pseudo-scientific" claims as to Comet Elenin?



www.nasa.gov
(visit the link for the full news article)



your answer is in the article ..


Why aren't you talking more about Comet Elenin? If these things are small and nothing to worry about, why has there been no public info on Comet Elenin?
Comet Elenin hasn't received much press precisely because it is small and faint. Several new comets are discovered each year, and you don't normally hear about them either. The truth is that Elenin has received much more attention than it deserves due to a variety of Internet postings that are untrue. The information NASA has on Elenin is readily available on the Internet. -ops link


Do you know of any other doom comets ? flying around the internet right now like Elenin is ?



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