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You'll live just as long if you drink and smoke

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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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I heard the story yesterday and it was a blessing!


I just mentioned it casually in fact in this thread
Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese
www.abovetopsecret.com...




LMAO Funny as heck and pretty much true. Keith Richards out lived Jim Fix the guy who wrote all those books on jogging. That's incredible. But then it was proved recently, there was a news story on it... longevity has less to do with lifestyle and more to do with genetic predisposition.



Cheers and pass the peace pipe.




posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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My mother always told me, "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go...until then live it up!"

Anyone can do a study that can tell us anything is true or untrue. Truth is, no one knows much of anything. We should each make our own lifestyle choices and if we die young because of it...so what? At least that life was OURS.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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blackmartketeer

My condolences on the death of your father. However, I would like to question you on why you think smoking caused his lung cancer?

1. There are over 40 known causes of lung cancer
2. Active smokers do NOT get lung cancer at a rate that is any higher than never smokers
3. There is currently NO means of determining the cause of any specific case of lung cancer
4. Your father got lung cancer at an age when most lung cancers occur, even in never smokers.

See this link

www.journaloftheoretics.com...

This is one o fthe things I hate the most about the anti-tobacco campaigns. It leaves greaving relatives to believe that their loved ones caused their own death.

TIRED OF CONTROL FREAKS



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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In my family line they live to be over 100 years old. My father smoked three packs a day, and had a six pack of beer almost every day of his adult life (functional alcoholic). Then one day at 75 he went to the doctor and the doc said to him, " You have to give up drinking and smoking or you'll die. " So he did. Then he caught pneumonia and died a few weeks later. Giving up what he always did ended up killing him in the end. With his lungs nice and clear and his blood nice and fresh, it was easy to catch something

It's all in the genetic code. Nothing else. It's all like computer programming and unless something shocks that code it will do as it should do. The thing is, we all can't smoke and drink as much as we want. What one person might be able to do might just kill off another person. So take a look at your familiy tree and decide for yourself what is best.





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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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My ex-girlfriends grandfather was actually prescribed a certain amount of vodka when he was forced into a nursing home at the age of 97 (he had broken his foot). Without that alcohol he, like your father, likely would have died.

By the way, he is now out, 101 yrs. old, drinks highballs every day and drives his scooter all around his (thankfully) very small town.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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Alcohol and cigarettes are poison. I just cant belive taking poison doesnt shorten your life span. So that means i can eat rat poison like a pez dispenser and it want shorten my life. I have been smokin for over 15years and i know i have shortened my life span. I belive this is just propaganda if you ask me.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Well, both of my great grandmothers lived to be at least 95 and one did smoke, and my grandmother is still full of p & v and smokes. Its the running joke of our family, that the women outlive their men.
I do both, but definitely not obese.

LOL we don't have to worry anyway right? We're all going to die in 2012



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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I wouldnt be suprised if a life expectancy number is given at birth.....

Be well



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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My wife and I have a dear friend that was practicing medicine when we still dirtying diapers. One of my favorite lines from him is "Eat what you want, drink what you want, smoke what you want and pray for a massive heart attack!".



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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I think the author must have been inspired to be glib and sarcastic when talking about this. I don;t see it as an endorsement to smoke or drink in excess. But I also know that it is very common for our information to reach us via such 'perspectives of reporting' and thus we have been subjected to a 'fear-based' motivational technique by the medical industry to get us to live healthier.... ostensibly, a noble purpose.... but certain inflammatory assertions regarding lifestyle and habits may have been influenced by a provincial attitude prevalent in the communities of the elite professions in medicine (being just one.)

Yes, inhaling the smoke of a searing hot smoldering herb can't possibly be 'healthy.' But is it the demonic trait that popular culture advertises it to be? Probably not.

Genetic predisposition and biochemical sensitivities are individual traits that we share only to a certain extent. "All" smokers will not develop cancer or emphysema (now re-marketed by Big Pharma as COPD): although it stands to reason that it is a risk associated with the practice for some... perhaps even many more than historically. After all, between industrial activity and our constant proximity to vehicular exhaust, many people ingest the equivalent of multiple cigarettes everyday, whether they smoke or not.

Drinking has always been a danger in that it's effects on human cognition are direct and immediate. But in moderation - it appears - most any human 'habit' is relatively harmless, if one exercises control and rationality pursuing them.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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haha, Reminds me of this joke about the man that never lived.

Once there was this man, he lived a healthy life. He jogged everyday, he ate a healthy diet. He never once smoke, drank, or raised a bit of hell in his life. He had carried life insurance on both him and his wife.

Once day this man died, and his wife tried collecting his life insurance.

The insurance company said were sorry miss, but our records show he never lived.

Moral of the story, How could he have died when he has never lived.


Hope you enjoyed this.

edit on 4-8-2011 by Pegasus2000 because: Spelling as Usual. (looking for his spell checker)



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Downtown the other day, I saw an amazing sight:

Grey skin which looked like leather, a cigar in his mouth, a cane in one hand and two gorgeous young college coeds on each arm, the man tottered along the sidewalk, stopping every few feet to catch his breath. As I drew closer, I began to hear the happy flirtatious banter between him and his youthful escorts. I actually shook my head in amazement.
I shouldn't have, but I did. I had to know.
"Excuse me sir, but I must ask, what is your secret? Is it diet, exercise, clean living?"
"Ha! Clean living?" He began, "I smoke six cigars a day, drink at least a fifth of good scotch, have never exercised, I eat whatever I want, and, well, let's just say my two companions, here, are not mere ornaments."
"Incredible!" I said. "Do you mind telling me how old you are?"
"Sure, sonny. I'll be twenty-nine next month!"

ba-doom-bah



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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How many old people do you see smoking?

Sure there are a few but the vast majority die prematurely, same goes for alcoholics.

I bet its only smokers or alcoholics that are desperate to justify their actions.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Haha Another great joke! lol

Keep it going.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Well myself i believe in moderation with anything. Smoking ciggy's on the other hand in modern day not so much, with all the added chemicals. Who wants to smoke tobacco that has absolutely no natural characteristics left to it or any original taste. This is why i smoke High quality Cigars. not your average store bought ones, those are stuffed with preservatives. I'm talking authentic handmades from central America and S America. Also you don't inhale Cigar smoke, as a rule anyway. But we all have our ways.

\I think today's biggest problem is Chemicals, Chemicals, Chemicals. In everything we consume.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Just remember, not everyone has the ability to drink and smoke as they please. The genetic code is the factor. I knew a lady in a nursing home I worked at. She was 98 and she had a shot of vodka every day given to her by the nurse. But that was besides the shots her children were sneaking in besides that. She never got sick. But I saw others who were not that old who looked older than she was and were suffering pretty bad. I kept thinking to myself was it what they ate, drank, or how they lived, or was it the genetic code that caused it. It was the genetic code.

This is why moderation is the best way. Like the old Scottish saying, " Not too little, not too much, but just enough."



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Excellent post, Maxmars. Some people, with the right set of genes can live to be very old, smoking / drinking to excess. Genetically less well endowed persons can expect to konk out earlier. I know this from family experience. Me ? I smoke cigars occasionally and drink whatever takes my fancy in moderation, and have made it as far as 56, with no problems... Early days...?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Pegasus2000
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Well myself i believe in moderation with anything. Smoking ciggy's on the other hand in modern day not so much, with all the added chemicals. Who wants to smoke tobacco that has absolutely no natural characteristics left to it or any original taste. This is why i smoke High quality Cigars. not your average store bought ones, those are stuffed with preservatives. I'm talking authentic handmades from central America and S America. Also you don't inhale Cigar smoke, as a rule anyway. But we all have our ways.

I think today's biggest problem is Chemicals, Chemicals, Chemicals. In everything we consume.



If you do smoke and you don't want the chemicals they add, there is a brand out there that makes them like they once did before the chemicals were added, and it's just tobacco. I can't remember the name but the box is yellow that they come in. And they do not smell bad or stink.





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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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As you say, you need to look closely at the details, but in general I would tend to agree that much of what we have been indroctinated into thinking a "proper" way to live is merely a way to push drugs on us to attain certain biochemical levels that are far below what is necessary for good health.

One personal example. I have high cholosterol and a family history of it. When I attempted to deal with it, first through diet & exercise, f first a moderate than a draconian plan, the levels did not go down, but rather went up. I began to take a statin and sure enough the levels dropped below 200, although the side effects were monsterous. Thinking I was good with the level under 200 and willing to accept the side effects, the doc then tells me that the new studies show that it needs to be below 150, so double the dosage. Nope, I stopped taking the statins.

Same with liver enzymes. Look at a study and they will tell you levels that indicate a healthy liver. Look at them over time and you will find that they continue to drop them, indicating what would appear to be a systemic lowering of levels to drive more treatments.

Alcohol consumption is another. Much of the world lives with several drinks/day, yet in many societies, certainly the US, its a one a day deal or its unhealthy. I gather that most US doctors have never been to England, Japan, Germany, Australia or much of the world where having a few drinks (with food) is common place.

Why is it that Japanese people smoke like crazy, yet are relatively healthy when smoking is supposed to be the number 1 cause of self inflicted death (or at least contributor to it)? Its not an all or nothing thing.

Much of disease is caused by environmental poisons, in my opinion that manifest themselves in somatic diseases that are treated with chemicals. Take chemicals to dampen the effects of the chemicals in our ground water, food supply, air we breathe, household chemicals. It is one of the reasons that rural folks, with less access to modern healthcare live longer than urban folks. Certainly the active lifestyle of rural existance helps, but the cleanliness of the environment has to be a key factor as well.

Ultimately everyone is different. Given a choice of living a spartan life and living to 100 or drinking regularily, smoking and having bacon cheesburgers at will and dying at 75, I'll personally take the 75. I've never really understood this goal of super old age.

We trumpet the continued extension of life through modern medicine. How about we think about measuring the length of a quality, enjoyable life? The wicked game today is that if the medical establishment and government could have everyone in a hospital bed with diapers with intravenous feeding and lived to 110, they would talk about it as an accomplishment. Hardly any different than duct taping an old car to get another 50k miles out of it.

I thought one of the objectives was to live rather than simply be alive, but thats just me.




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