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Originally posted by Stovokor
Shame on those service men..I hope they go to prison for life.
Originally posted by Stovokor
Being raised in a military family.....
Originally posted by Stovokor
....I know for a fact you can absolutely refuse an order, and absolutely there are consequences for refusing an order.
Originally posted by Stovokor
To cheer your buddies on for committing murder is..well..I guess human nature..truly sad.
Originally posted by Stovokor
And the guy that leaked this footage, a sad story in itself..is being tortured as we speak..because he had a conscience..which is more than I can say for those barbarians that killed those men on the video.
The after-action report is (or at least was) online. It tells the whole story about the fighting that was going on a few streets away, and that when troops arrived at the site and found AKs and RPGs.
You don't murder in combat, you kill. Big difference.
Tortured? Give me a break.
The United Nations chief torture investigator said the United States was violating U.N. rules, after the country denied him unmonitored access to Bradley Manning, the Army private charged with leaking among other things classified diplomatic cables to WikiLeaks. Last April, as we reported, the U.N.'s Special Rapporteur on Torture Juan Mendéz expressed similar concerns, saying the United States would only allow a "private" visit rather than an "official" visit and also denied him the chance to visit Manning unsupervised.
Originally posted by drew1749
Do I need to post the testimony from the soldiers on site that they felt horrible about what they are doing? Because it exists.
Originally posted by drew1749
No you kill enemy combatants. It is murder or if you want a lighter term manslaughter to kill innocent civilians. I know it happens in war but it shouldn't. It is a blatant disregard for human life and should not be tolerated. It is manslaughter when it's an accident, isn't that how the law looks at it here? How about the extended clip when it was clearly murder. He was walked down the sidewalk ffs.
Originally posted by drew1749
The official UN investigation (as much as I hate the UN) says that the US may in fact be mistreating Bradly Manning due to the fact that we wouldn't let the investigator see him. It seems very suspicious. He shouldn't be in jail in the first place.
I'm certain that they did. I'm saying that the AAR said weapons were found at the site afterwards (of course, all the rocket scientists on ATS will say they were planted). The crews in the Apaches weren't out trying to shoot kids in a van.
Yep, and they saw a crowd with weapons, and they already had troops in contact a few streets over. So, what were they suppose to think that these guys were? I saw guys with AKs and at least one RPG; were the guys in the Apache suppose to wait until they were fired upon, or maybe after some US troops were killed?
So, not seeing his lawyer unmonitored is considered torture? What about him not getting Dove bars for breakfast; is that torture, too? And yes, this guy should be in jail. He leaked info after being trusted by the US Military to protect classified information.
Originally posted by drew1749
Where did they find these weapons? Also the rocket scientists on ATS are actually pretty smart. It saddens me that you would insult their intelligence but that's unrelated. No they weren't trying to but they did. They killed two kids and two journalists. How do you justify that?
Originally posted by drew1749
It is noted in the video that nobody was clearly identified as a combatant. They made a educated guess to blow some kids and some journalists away. Not very educated if you ask me. You saw an RPG? Really because it was clearly a camera.
Originally posted by drew1749
It is according to UN law. It just seems suspicious.
Originally posted by drew1749
Very likely he is being tortured. You know our policy don't you?
Originally posted by drew1749
"YOU WERE TOLD SECRETS THAT YOU FOUND MORALLY WRONG YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM" I don't feel like it should work that way man. God forbid we have some good troops speak out about the horrible things we do and cover up. Do you think this would be as big of a deal if the pentagon hadn't hushed this up? They didn't want us to see the clip. How many clips similar to this do you think we have?