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Do you have a relationship with the creator of the universe?

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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman
Yes I do. I can see, speak with, hear, touch, feel, and smell my child. A dog can have a relationship with my child. My child is real, well at least what I consider to be real.


Matthew 10:37

“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."




posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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There is evidence of ghosts on video and in photos. Not all are disproved.

I'm not an irrational Christian that you can kick around.

You're an atheist, so? You believe that you are the highest god. I also share that notion. All the spirits can not help you as much as you can help yourself.

You're shouting at the wrong guy.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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reply to post by MamaJ
 


Constantine hid books about Apollonius (the true Jesus).
He created the fictional Jesus that so many worship today.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by ren1999
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


There is evidence of ghosts on video and in photos. Not all are disproved.

I'm not an irrational Christian that you can kick around.

You're an atheist, so? You believe that you are the highest god. I also share that notion. All the spirits can not help you as much as you can help yourself.

You're shouting at the wrong guy.


Why would I believe to be god??

As for the ghosts, until someone presents undeniable OBJECTIVE evidence, there's no reason to believe they exist. So far, no one has done so, or else it would be all over the news


Fact is, there's ZERO objective evidence supporting the claim that something like a deity exists...and no, the bible or Koran aren't proof!



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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I disagree. Contstantine turned Jesus into a man just like Constantine in order to justify his own actions as emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.

Jesus (Apollonius) was a scientist, a doctor, a socialist, a comparative religionist, a mystic, a Neo-pythagorean, a vegan, who didn't even wear animal products, a barefoot, long haired, white cloth wearing Buddhist like adviser to Roman Emperors. The most significant thing Apollonius did was introduced Krishna (Christ) to the Roman Empire.

I must note that I am not a vegan.
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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Nice point. However, according to logic, my God exists.

You see yourself and nature all around you? That is my god. You see nature so you see my god. That is proof that my god exists.

And no, the Bible nor any other book is proof of god.
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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by ren1999
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Nice point. However, according to logic, my God exists.

You see yourself and nature all around you? That is my god. You see nature so you see my god. That is proof that my god exists.

And no, the Bible nor any other book is proof of god.
edit on 5-8-2011 by ren1999 because: (no reason given)


I think you're confusing "logic" with "belief"


As for nature being god...that's semantics, you're basically replacing a word with god. You might as well say "see this tea kettle, that's my god"...



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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The earth we live in right now is either heaven or hell. You choose to make it what it is.
In the afterlife there is only the other world. In that world wages a war between those dead who want to save humanity and those dead who are only bitter and want to destroy it and end it.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ren1999
reply to post by MamaJ
 


Constantine hid books about Apollonius (the true Jesus).
He created the fictional Jesus that so many worship today.


This is True...so the myth goes....and goes....and on and on it goes. IMO.....I think Jesus has been called a number of names......in many cultures but he is the same man. My son believes he was actually from Egypt. Knowledge that we have available today leads to more confusion about this great man we call Jesus. This is the plan of our Nature because it was set in motion that way.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Come on now. Nature is god in many religions.

I am a Pagan and nature is my god. It isn't semantics.

You see nature, you see my god. Seeing is believing. Therefore you must believe that I believe nature to be my god.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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John is my favorite.....for many reasons..... Here is the Truth that Jesus spoke of. He says we cannot handle the truth.......



“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:12-13

Let the spirit guide you .... its trying all the time. Ask it questions and patiently await the answer. It may come to you in many forms....notice and take heed.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by MamaJ


I DO however think that WE spirits come here in this realm of time on our own doing and have a plan that is in accordance with the Divine plan. We have many roads we can take to end up where we need to be. SO.....to answer your question YES......I do think everything happens as it should or we are told to come on back.....our time here is not yet complete.

Wait, why would any spirit come here and live in this realm when there's a huge chance they will be burned forever? They'd be better off not coming here.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by ren1999

You see yourself and nature all around you? That is my god. You see nature so you see my god. That is proof that my god exists.

Why give it another name? It already has one....nature.

EDIT: I see you already answered that. At least it makes sense to you.

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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by MamaJ


I DO however think that WE spirits come here in this realm of time on our own doing and have a plan that is in accordance with the Divine plan. We have many roads we can take to end up where we need to be. SO.....to answer your question YES......I do think everything happens as it should or we are told to come on back.....our time here is not yet complete.

Wait, why would any spirit come here and live in this realm when there's a huge chance they will be burned forever? They'd be better off not coming here.


We have an eternity to get it "right" imo. Your spirit guides you by what your spirit is...positive or negative energy. If it is negative and just cant seem to become positive then its time for a change....a consequence of one that I do not think is for eternity.....kind of like a spanking. If you find yourself in the chambers of hell on Earth (thats where it resides imo) then...make sure to call on the ONE....the MAN....JESUS. He is the one that has saved many who have come back to tell a story....whether they be Christians, Atheists, or any Religion...he is the one we will all go through to get back home. He is our Ultimate Spirit Guide.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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IMO.....we are seeing major earth changes again because out of the 7 billion that resides most are so negative towards the ALL (creation) and we have got to save this planet for it to continue its existence. It has to do what it has to do to survive....just like us. It cannot handle all the negative energy and so....we will see more earth changes in my opinion. Negativity has found a home here since day one. But the positive over rides it and will have its day in the "realm of time" once again. We as a collective need to get it right and become teachers and experts on love. Loving and then showing it is what we all must learn and perfect on. Look at the world...look at the people. Hear and see how people deal and talk with one another. Its time for a cleansing and I welcome a better life for us the next go round. I remember being excited about this journey....and I see why. We are on the verge of a new beginning.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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No, it does say that all can be saved. Superficial readings of the bible and endless traditions that pick and choose verses do not convey the message. Literal readings of every sentence are not fair. The bible clearly states that there is only one unforgivable sin. It is not about sin, it is about redemption for we all sin. It says all things are to be done in love, I have no use for fundamentalist teachings that forget that.

Do you not understand that Jesus fullfilled the law so that we do not have to be perfect? That was his message. The sermon on the mound was meant to show what perfection was and that none of us could achieve it. When the Pharisees tried to use the bible to condemn people, Jesus showed that it's true message was one of hope. Fundamentalists today and atheists both look to the wrong passages and miss the meaning. As they do so they mislead people and cause them greater harm.

You were attempting to be amusing when you used the verse that you did; but, for those struggling with those issues that are believers, it reinforces a false belief. You do not understand how harmful it is.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by MamaJ
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I too believe in thought manifestation into matter. Here is something I have always pondered in regards to this subject. Does every single thought then create? Are there dimensions for all of them ?
Its funny to think so.


Dear MamaJ,

So nice to be on a thread with you again. While I may believe that all matter was created by God's thought, I do not believe all thoughts become matter. All thoughts are however eternal and once had cannot be destroyed. How can a thought be destroyed if it is not matter? Once matter is destroyed, the thought that created it continues. Once are bodies are destroyed we also continue for we are thoughts and emotions living this existence but for a moment till we are prepared to live as thought alone. Be well.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by Hydroman
 


No, it does say that all can be saved. Superficial readings of the bible and endless traditions that pick and choose verses do not convey the message. Literal readings of every sentence are not fair. The bible clearly states that there is only one unforgivable sin. It is not about sin, it is about redemption for we all sin. It says all things are to be done in love, I have no use for fundamentalist teachings that forget that.

Do you not understand that Jesus fullfilled the law so that we do not have to be perfect? That was his message. The sermon on the mound was meant to show what perfection was and that none of us could achieve it. When the Pharisees tried to use the bible to condemn people, Jesus showed that it's true message was one of hope. Fundamentalists today and atheists both look to the wrong passages and miss the meaning. As they do so they mislead people and cause them greater harm.

You were attempting to be amusing when you used the verse that you did; but, for those struggling with those issues that are believers, it reinforces a false belief. You do not understand how harmful it is.


Amen ..and Amen.....love and understanding as well as hope was the entire message. Unconditional love that is....meaning one that has no conditions. You just LOVE no matter what.

Your words are.. soooooo true to me! And may I add......Jesus also showed us that the flesh dies and the spirit moves on.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Dear MamaJ, So nice to be on a thread with you again. While I may believe that all matter was created by God's thought, I do not believe all thoughts become matter. All thoughts are however eternal and once had cannot be destroyed. How can a thought be destroyed if it is not matter? Once matter is destroyed, the thought that created it continues. Once are bodies are destroyed we also continue for we are thoughts and emotions living this existence but for a moment till we are prepared to live as thought alone. Be well.
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Nice to be on here with you as well. I love learning.


I was not implying that thoughts were ever destroyed....they matter.


I agree with all you said........but again.....I do ponder if thoughts manifest..... into matter. This was the question.....is the question.

You did not go on to say WHY you think all thoughts do not manifest. Please advise your thoughts on this.
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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by ren1999
reply to post by Hydroman
 


The earth we live in right now is either heaven or hell. You choose to make it what it is.
In the afterlife there is only the other world. In that world wages a war between those dead who want to save humanity and those dead who are only bitter and want to destroy it and end it.


And your proof of that is?



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