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The Possiblities of a Perfect Human

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Mods if this is the wrong place please assist in moving it
Anyways, I was thinking of something weird a little bit ago. It's a little jumbly but here it is..the following is hypothetical:

I'm sure most of you have heard the saying "nobody is perfect." I used to use it all the time as a kid when my parents would catch me watching pornography, lying about my grades, etc..you know the general list of sins lol. So while I ramble on, keep in mind that when I refer to the perfect human I am talking about a human that doesn't commit sinful acts against the so called "10 commandments." A lot of people say it's not possible and that only Jesus or certain prophets were capable of it..

Okay so..I believe that humans are born in nature with genes and a chemical balance that will exhibit certain tendencies based on the environment and situation. Basically, I believe in a mix of nature and nurture..you are born with a given set of qualities and based on the environmental variables, an unknown output can be expected.

Earlier, I was thinking about the possibility of a psychology experiment that would attempt to mold a human (from birth) into a perfectly "sinless" person. I was thinking that if you nurtured the person ingeniously that you could get this result. Imagine training the brain become addicted to following these rules and instilling in the person (thru a controlled environment in some deep underground cave lol) that it is normal to be like this and that it is the only way to be accepted. I don't know much about psychology or the brain so i'll stop elaborating from the point because I'm sure you get the gist.

Sounds evil and creepy
but I was thinking maybe it would disprove some of those super religious folks about the capabilities of being "perfect." Yeea I'm a catholic I admit it

Any opinions lol please remember it was just a random idea that popped into my head




posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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We are all perfectly imperfect.

What is perfect anyway?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Yes, you can brainwash people.


Having said that, they are going to be in a constant never-ending battle with their own animal instincts. Sounds like torture to me.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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I was thinking that if you nurtured the person ingeniously that you could get this result. Imagine training the brain become addicted to following these rules and instilling in the person (thru a controlled environment in some deep underground cave lol) that it is normal to be like this and that it is the only way to be accepted.





Holy mad scientist...


I'd rather we had a few psychos running around before everyone is turned into a complacent zombie...


I'll take free-will with a side chaos...





posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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How many inventions were made by mistake? A "mistake" is Human, no istakes are considered computers (unles the computer malfunctions) The err of our ways is essientially what makes us Human. There are four "mistakes" in this post, can you spot them



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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I love the comments so far lol. I agree not a whole lot of things are perfect and since we are perfectly imperfect it wouldn't be rightt..you know what I mean? This whole idea was nothing more..than an idea so I tend to side more with you guys. It was just weird enough I though I'd share it with you all

Though it would be torturous and take a mad scientist to pull off, I think it would be interesting to observe how the animal instincts would but heads with the nurturing..that is IF they would



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gemini67
I love the comments so far lol. I agree not a whole lot of things are perfect and since we are perfectly imperfect it wouldn't be rightt..you know what I mean? This whole idea was nothing more..than an idea so I tend to side more with you guys. It was just weird enough I though I'd share it with you all

Though it would be torturous and take a mad scientist to pull off, I think it would be interesting to observe how the animal instincts would but heads with the nurturing..that is IF they would



Oh noes, a paradox



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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and they are:
"istakes" misspelled
"unles" is misspelled
"err" is a verb not a noun
and "essientially" misspelled
there is no question mark at the end
and the last problem is that you shoulda ended with a smiley face


haha i dont know



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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ohhh eff i just noticed that lol.

it would have been a perfect paradox if I said "nothing is perfect" instead of saying "not a whole lot of things are perfect"

ohhhhhhh eff perfection
thats a lot of perfects



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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To raise a "perfect" human you would need to define "perfect." This, being an inherently human activity, is flawed. If there could ever be such a thing as "perfection" as we define it, it would have to be a set of immutable qualities put forth by a system (god, nature, what have you) greater than humanity. So, if God exists, only he/she/it can create something perfect and if God doesn't exist, perfection exists outside the realm of human experience, at least currently, as by being human we would twist any observation of perfection. :p



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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If your idea of perfection is following the ten commandments to the letter for your entire life, then it can't be that hard under the right circumstances. First off, the wrong circumstances would be living in the midst of millions of people in the modern world. The hardest commandment to keep in that case would be to covet (want) thy neighbors goods. In this competitive society that is virtually impossible.

I don't how it is where you live, but America is a very diverse country. We have city slickers who will probably never attain the level of perfection that you are talking about, and then we have people who live in the country who are probably a lot closer to it than you can imagine. Of course it all depends on what part of the country you're talking about too.

Out here in the western part of the U.S. you are not going to find as many morally upstanding people as you will east of the Continental Divide. Don't ask me why, but that's just been my personal experience. We have sects of Amish people in the northeast who are as close to your definition of perfect that you will probably find anywhere else in this country. Growing up, my mom used to take us out to her family, who are Amish, so I saw first hand how these people, my cousins, uncles, etc... live. Both physically and spiritually they have a very good thing going for themselves. Modest, hardworking, and they don't take any stock in worldly possessions. They are more than content having what they need. They don't have a want for anything. If the SHTF it isn't going to affect them at all.

There are also communes of "regular" folk who chose to unplug themselves from the matrix decades ago. There are a couple of generations of these people living out in woods, and I mean way out, who take care of their own. They grow their own food, live off the land and live their lives more in tune with nature than the vast majority of Americans do. Most of these communes are going to be roughly in the area of the bible belt, so they are deeply religious. I'm not talking about the fruitcakes like Westboro either, people like that don't have what it takes to live a peaceful and righteous life.

Basically, if you want to attain the kind of perfection that you are referring to, find like minded people to live with. Chances are very good though that you are going to have to live a completely and totally different way of life than what you are now. It can be done, but you won't be able to do it in the "modern" world. This has nothing to do with brainwashing either. If you have a certain group of people who have been living the same way of life for generations, it's to the point where everything they think, feel and do is genetically pre-disposed. They are born to live a certain way of life, and their upbringing only re-enforces that even more. So if they have been living by the ten commandments for 500 years, then you have people who have been perfect by your definition... for 500 years.

Some people choose to think that the human condition is so at odds with living a righteous life, that spiritual perfection can never be realized. With the right parental upbringing, societal influence, and genetic disposition though, the scales can be tipped in favor of the righteous life. Our animal instincts are always going to be with us, there's no avoiding it. But with the right upbringing we can not only keep them in check, but we probably won't even give them too much thought as that mindset is a world away from what we were pre-disposed to be.

I hope that makes sense..






posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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If a person has to have a rule, say "thou shall not steal", that means the person has, on some level, a desire to steal. A "perfect" person wouldn't need rules to follow because he would never think to steal or commit any other sin, therefore he doesn't need to be told not to do it. Has anyone ever told you that it's wrong to eat dog crap and you shouldn't do it? I'm guessing no. You don't need to be told because you already have a strong aversion to it and would never seriously consider eating dog crap



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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yo I'm enjoying reading everyone's comments. You opinions are very enlightening and I like what I'm seeing. I never pondered as deep as you guys did, I just had a weird idea in an odd place i like to call the shower and i felt it was worth posting on here to receive some cool opinions

thanks everybody for indulging into my hypothetical madness



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I really love the way you can cheapen an experience. Do you even want to know my name?


But I have to ask. What is it about taking a shower that makes you think about perfection?


I hope you get more responses man, it's a good subject.






posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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I caught this thread kind of late so I will have to merely agree with previous posts.

1) If you are looking to the 10 commandments for the definition of perfection, you are imperfect. There is much more at stake, largely which I cant define. The 10 commandments are a good place to start I suppose, but to me they are just common sense.

2) If you were able to isolate a human in a deep underground cave, would you be able to 'nurture' rebellion out of their essence? Methinks no. They may appear perfect at the surface, wishing to appease the (teacher, leader, underground cave master, god, etc). What would they do if they thought they were in privacy? I for one would get fed up with such strict rules. Even if that is all I learned, its some sort of thrill to 'break the rules' no matter how mundane the rule. (what male hasnt masturbated in the shower, and explained away the 'hot water use' for something)
I KID!!! But no really, even those of us raised strictly, we all do something and lie to get away with it.

3) I am reminded of the body/spirit argument I read a lot. Essentially humans are a mix of two beings; One is a physical, instinctual, animal being; the other being spiritual, intellectual, mental, cognitive. According to what I know, the animal (or physical) is evil, the spiritual (or mental) is pure. Men want to sex everything in sight, but their brain says no. Mens mental controls the physical. Perfection stems from the mental (spiritual) controlling the physical (animal) in all aspects of every situation; Never allowing the physical to 'call the shots' if you will. Interesting view point IMHO. **Dismiss the evil/pure part. I am parroting what I have read, not what I subscribe to. Call this the clifnotes version of human duality.

4) I had a fourth point, but in the process of recording my first three points I have forgotten. I will add an ETA if I remember.

My post may seem a bit sexist, but its coming from a male point of view. I dont yet have a firm grasp on the female perspective.

II
edit on 4-8-2011 by IntegratedInstigator because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Gemini67
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ohhh eff i just noticed that lol.

it would have been a perfect paradox if I said "nothing is perfect" instead of saying "not a whole lot of things are perfect"

ohhhhhhh eff perfection
thats a lot of perfects


Anything that makes sense is truly paradoxical in nature...

maybe?

I'm prolly just talkin outa my ass lol.



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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I think that was attempted during the 12 year terror of the Nazis? I though they were trying to create the perfect human being with all their experiments on people and genetic manipulations and this obsession with no skin color , blue eyes and yellow hair. Were they not trying to create a whole race of what they perceive to be "perfect" ?

Some say they are still doing it today by pushing this fake UFO New Age Pledians stuff.



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