Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
I know my unit had orders to deploy to the Sinai Egypt border back in 2001. At the last minute we had new orders cut to deploy to Germany.
Oh that Nefertiti, she can never make up her mind! Does she want to live in Germany as Hitler's widow, or return to Egypt and risk the mobs of
Islamists that would destroy her?! I say we preserve her in double-inch bulletproof glass if she decides to ever go back to her place of birth.
Anyway OP, I like your research, but I'd say not to get too caught up in the names and stuff. I'd say that the really effective method is to boil
it down, simplify it. and you have done that quite well in the core respects. but I'd say names and such are less important than the dynamics.
And when I refer to dynamics, I am talking about the Ogdoad, which rather than "animal tribes". The Ogdoad is an 8-fold rebirth template, which is
the real Genesis of these family relations. That is to say, we all get born into some of these positions and we all move through these positions, as
we age, according to the way of life. These eight archetypes are:
GIRL > WOMAN > MOTHER > GRANDMOTHER
BOY > MAN > FATHER > GRANDFATHER
And so as you can see, each sex passes into and through the Ogdoad, irreducibly, as they move through life. And each stage represents the death of
the previous stage. That is to say, when a girl becomes a woman (at her first menses) there is no going back. Similarly, when a man becomes a
grandfather, he cannot ever go back to being JUST a father. So the dynamic of the Ogdoad is the real origin of Egyptian family templates, and yes, it
is also mirrored in animal families and so a great part of what you say has merit in this context as well. The coyote pup, is not a mother. and when
this little pup becomes able to breed, she will get knocked up, and can never be a pup again. And similarly, animals age, and become grandfather
coyotes and grandmother coyotes, so I am saying that I think one has a superior HUMAN aspect which I have described, because we do not see animals
preserving their oldsters, as do humans. It is the Ogdoad which encourages us to rise into the supreme archetype which suits us, and in this way, we
rise above the 2D animal kingdom, and into the larger world of humanoid considerations, namely as you mention the Native Americans, this is observed
by their general adoration of their oldsters, their grannies and their grampas, and this shows their higher perspective as opposed to their
neighboring tribe who may have just the animal "life is hard" type of modality. One has a superior spirit.
Anyway, can you comment on Sarah and the Pharaoh? I am not sure if both Nefertiti AND Akhenaten were born from Tiye, I think maybe Nefertiti was born
from a sister of Tiye, which would still place her in the Tuya-family. And if she was in the Tuya family then both Akhenaten and Nefertiti would have
been progeny of Yuya, which means that both of them were direct descendants of the biblical Joseph, which Yuya is. Therefore, it makes Akhenaten and
Nefertiti the ancestors of Sarah, who refreshed the bloodline of the 18th Dynasty.
I would also say that my comments on this stuff, are based on what I see as the Ogdoad-message which I believe was promoted in Amarna, according to
the idols and objects found there. These objects are essentially, little girls holding an egg and symbolizing the goddess (which supports your
thesis) but also there were found bas relief of the royal family, all together, and being loving. I feel these are evidence that Akhenaten was trying
to get away from the demeaning 2D animal type of religion which the priests used to control the people, and toward the higher idea of the Ogdoad. I
feel that they really tried to make the human family unit, the supreme authority, over and above the priestly class, and that they paid the ultimate
price for that attempt. I see Amarna as a heroic place where the family unit was suggested as being a higher authority than the priests. Even today
that idea would cause mass hysteria as the family unit is merely an economic cipher and even then it is the biggest threat to the priests who seek
power over every family, just like back then.
Anyway good post OP, looking forward to your comments. Oh and why not throw in some bonobo comments as well? Humans have more bonobo than chimp in
them, and these two species are very different in their familial and inter-tribal relations.