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Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX
You wrote:
["You are correct in saying that they are incompatible. That is why Paul makes the point that our faith is futile if Jesus has not been raised from the dead.
Your point?"]
My point is, that the 'prophecy-branch' of the christianites are trying to score 'points' on something which may or may not happen. In other words: "We make some guesses, which CERTAINLY are going to be true. So we are right already now".
From even a slightly rational position such is non-sense, no matter how smart the semantic wrappings are.
edit on 16-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
There are plenty of prophecies that have already been fulfilled without needing the ones yet to be fulfilled to 'score points' as you put it.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX
You wrote:
["You are correct in saying that they are incompatible. That is why Paul makes the point that our faith is futile if Jesus has not been raised from the dead.
Your point?"]
My point is, that the 'prophecy-branch' of the christianites are trying to score 'points' on something which may or may not happen. In other words: "We make some guesses, which CERTAINLY are going to be true. So we are right already now".
From even a slightly rational position such is non-sense, no matter how smart the semantic wrappings are.
edit on 16-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
There are plenty of prophecies that have already been fulfilled without needing the ones yet to be fulfilled to 'score points' as you put it.
Just how self aggrandizing is this God of yours?
He is already guilty of setting the conditions for the murder of his own son for his own glory.
My hero. Not.
How can you follow such a murderer and fool?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Greatest I am
God is not nearly genocidal enough if you ask me. Countless millions more people deserve killing off but because of God's long suffering and mercy He lets them live. One day though the day of vengeance will come, just as my sig says ↓ Much more death is just around the corner OP...hope your on the right side of the battle!
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Greatest I am
He is our creator, and we do not have the right to question why he does the things he does. A tool does not turn to its maker and ask "why have you made me, and why do you do what you do?".
.
I know that your beliefs are based on fantasy, miracles and magic but I have yet to see a tool speak.
Well, you perhaps, but I usually place natures greatest accomplishment above tool grade.
If a clay pot could talk though, it could justifiably ask the potter why it needs to be tortured forever in hell because the potter made it with a hole that leaks.
Regards
DL
God gave us free will and one command, "Don't eat from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil".
Man's disobedience resulted in a broken vessel.
God has offered to plug the leaks but will you listen?
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Strange that a loving Christian like you would hate so much.
Not really...........
Didn't you just tell your 'brother' that hes going to be endlessly tortured by someone you love and worship?
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by novastrike81
reply to post by XplanetX
You still seem to be eluding the fact that God anoints himself as High Priest, which is against his own rules. If God is breaking his own rules, then he must not be perfect by his own nature. Especially when he says his laws are eternal.
You still haven't shown scripture of prophecies that point to the fulfilment of Jesus being the true messiah after his second coming.
More Christian logic at it's best.
Show me in scripture where it is against his rules.
Regarding your second question, I think it's time that you did a little digging for yourself.
MT 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
I could easily reference the scripture to answer your question, however I have done enough perusing and referencing for you at this stage. Do a little of your own leg work.
Originally posted by XplanetX
To reinforce the previous post:
PS 110:4 The LORD has sworn
and will not change his mind:
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX
You wrote:
["You are correct in saying that they are incompatible. That is why Paul makes the point that our faith is futile if Jesus has not been raised from the dead.
Your point?"]
My point is, that the 'prophecy-branch' of the christianites are trying to score 'points' on something which may or may not happen. In other words: "We make some guesses, which CERTAINLY are going to be true. So we are right already now".
From even a slightly rational position such is non-sense, no matter how smart the semantic wrappings are.
edit on 16-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
There are plenty of prophecies that have already been fulfilled without needing the ones yet to be fulfilled to 'score points' as you put it.
Just how self aggrandizing is this God of yours?
He is already guilty of setting the conditions for the murder of his own son for his own glory.
My hero. Not.
How can you follow such a murderer and fool?
Regards
DL
In the grand scheme of things the vessel that we currently inhabit is only mortal..
For those of us that accept Christ as Lord and Saviour will be given imperishable bodies:
1CO 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX
You wrote:
["You are correct in saying that they are incompatible. That is why Paul makes the point that our faith is futile if Jesus has not been raised from the dead.
Your point?"]
My point is, that the 'prophecy-branch' of the christianites are trying to score 'points' on something which may or may not happen. In other words: "We make some guesses, which CERTAINLY are going to be true. So we are right already now".
From even a slightly rational position such is non-sense, no matter how smart the semantic wrappings are.
edit on 16-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
There are plenty of prophecies that have already been fulfilled without needing the ones yet to be fulfilled to 'score points' as you put it.
Just how self aggrandizing is this God of yours?
He is already guilty of setting the conditions for the murder of his own son for his own glory.
My hero. Not.
How can you follow such a murderer and fool?
Regards
DL
In the grand scheme of things the vessel that we currently inhabit is only mortal..
For those of us that accept Christ as Lord and Saviour will be given imperishable bodies:
1CO 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
I see. So you are driven to believe in a genocidal murderer who even murders his own son, and by a fear of death and a promise of good things.
How pathetic.
Regards
DL
I used to hold a couple opinions about the death of Jesus which I no longer do.
. . .who even murders his own son. . .
Originally posted by XplanetX
reply to post by bogomil
I would be well pleased with a more 'Jolly' atmosphere in this thread.
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by XplanetX
reply to post by bogomil
I would be well pleased with a more 'Jolly' atmosphere in this thread.
As I'm moderately mad myself, I'm used to comments of the kind you made in your recent post. But it surprises me, if you aren't aware of the effect of general comments on peoples' mental health/rational attitudes, if they don't follow the premises you have around your 'god'.
For many non-theists your 'god' is deranged and suggestions of using the standards set by/around him as a measure for "coming to your senses" are so outrageous and with an element of megalomania, that it without doubt will bleep off many people. It will definitely NOT bring jollicity a notch up, except for the witticisms sent your way as a result.edit on 31-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
Originally posted by XplanetX
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by XplanetX
reply to post by bogomil
I would be well pleased with a more 'Jolly' atmosphere in this thread.
As I'm moderately mad myself, I'm used to comments of the kind you made in your recent post. But it surprises me, if you aren't aware of the effect of general comments on peoples' mental health/rational attitudes, if they don't follow the premises you have around your 'god'.
For many non-theists your 'god' is deranged and suggestions of using the standards set by/around him as a measure for "coming to your senses" are so outrageous and with an element of megalomania, that it without doubt will bleep off many people. It will definitely NOT bring jollicity a notch up, except for the witticisms sent your way as a result.edit on 31-8-2011 by bogomil because: spelling
I am well aware of how people choose to react I am not at all surprised.
1PE 4:14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
I love everyone on this planet including you Bogomil, despite our obvious difference in opinion.
RO 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
I am one of those of low position by the way.