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Why do you follow a genocidal God?

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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More Angels left their habitation in heaven after the flood and mingled their seed with women again. Read my post more carefully before shooting off like a poor marksman.
Genesis never says angels had sex. "After" does not mean after the flood. The sons of Anak are not connected to the Nephilim.
The sons of God would have been the priest class who did not choose to interbreed with their own tribe.
The angels left their station, as in their assigned jobs.




Actually Genesis explicitly states that the sons of God bore children with the women of the earth.

Also in the book of Enoch (Chapter 7):

It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

You deliberately misinterpret the scriptures to give yourself an excuse to live in sin. If you would prefer not to follow God and follow your own evil desires then I would urge you to steer away from any attempt of interpreting scripture as your punishment from God will be far greater because you will lead people astray. Please take this warning very seriously.

Matthew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.




posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Bible god seems to have more problems with his creation than I do with my “very” old car

So you are saying even more angels abandoned their post, they basically told god to "stick it where the sun don't shine" – I wonder if you can support that with the bible?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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The book of Enoch is not in the Bible, or at least any Bible I read.
You are using a book not of the Bible to interpret the Bible.
I have no idea what sin you are taking about.
The sin against God?
There is one Law and the word God is not in it.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by XplanetX
 


Bible god seems to have more problems with his creation than I do with my “very” old car

So you are saying even more angels abandoned their post, they basically told god to "stick it where the sun don't shine" – I wonder if you can support that with the bible?



REV 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.


The Dragon has many names:

Lucipher, Satan, Devil, Serpent, Morning Star, etc...

A third of the stars that are swept from the sky and flung to earth represent one third of the angels that chose to follow the dragon. So to answer your question, yes they decided to disobey God and follow the devil. Satan is outnumbered 2:1. He is angry because he knows that his time is short.

One of his plans was to try and destroy the seed of the woman because he knew that her seed would eventually crush him:

GE 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

The scripture clearly states that the serpent(devil) has his own offspring. The devil strikes the heel of her offspring (Jesus dies on the cross). Jesus will crush the devil when he returns.

This is why Satan used King Herod to try and kill all of the children under the age of two. There has always been enmity between the seed of the woman and Satan's seed. Satan has used angels to try and corrupt the genealogy of Christ's ancestors leading right up to Mary.
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX
 
The book of Enoch is not in the Bible, or at least any Bible I read.
You are using a book not of the Bible to interpret the Bible.
I have no idea what sin you are taking about.
The sin against God?
There is one Law and the word God is not in it.




The book of Enoch is scripture.

Do some of your own research into the dead sea scrolls.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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You wrote to Greatest I am:

["If you understood scripture then you would look at this in a very different light."]

It is arrogance to refer to any special 'understanding' of the bible as an argument. This is made obvious through the fact, that especially christians don't agree between themselves (BECAUSE of their different 'specialist' denominational adherences and indoctrinations).

Whereas....... the texts relevant to this thread aren't that in-accessible interpretation-wise for a non-denominational person without pre-arranged bias. It's actually fairly easy even for a lay-person (non-bible-scholar) to read the relevant passages and compare them to mundane concepts of morality.

And if you insist on being 'scholarly' it's not difficult to reduce the whole pro-christian argumentation to its usually basic circles "it's true, because it's true".

" 'God' is good, because he's 'god', so he must be good". This is plain non-sense from a standard logic perspective.

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by bogomil
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You wrote to Greatest I am:

["If you understood scripture then you would look at this in a very different light."]

It is arrogance to refer to any special 'understanding' of the bible as an argument. This is made obvious through the fact, that especially christians don't agree between themsleves (BECAUSE of their 'specialist' denominational adherences and consequently often indoctrination).

Whereas....... the texts relevant to this thread aren't that in-accessible interpretation-wise for a non-denominational person without pre-arranged bias. It's actually fairly easy even for a lay-person (non-bible-scholar) to read the relevant passages and compare them to mundane concepts of morality.

And if you insist on being 'scholarly' it's not difficult to reduce the whole pro-christian argumentation to its usually basic circles "it's true, because it's true".

" 'God' is good, because he's 'god', so he must be good". This is plain non-sense from a standard logic perspective.



There is no special understanding of the scriptures. You either understand the scriptures or you do not.

2Thessalonians 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.



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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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The book of Enoch is scripture.
Anything written is technically scripture so according to who is it anything authoritative? Apparently not by the people who print Bibles.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by XplanetX
 


Bible god seems to have more problems with his creation than I do with my “very” old car

So you are saying even more angels abandoned their post, they basically told god to "stick it where the sun don't shine" – I wonder if you can support that with the bible?



REV 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.


The Dragon has many names:

Lucipher, Satan, Devil, Serpent, Morning Star, etc...

A third of the stars that are swept from the sky and flung to earth represent one third of the angels that chose to follow the dragon. So to answer your question, yes they decided to disobey God and follow the devil. Satan is outnumbered 2:1. He is angry because he knows that his time is short.

One of his plans was to try and destroy the seed of the woman because he knew that her seed would eventually crush him:

GE 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

The scripture clearly states that the serpent(devil) has his own offspring. The devil strikes the heel of her offspring (Jesus dies on the cross). Jesus will crush the devil when he returns.

This is why Satan used King Herod to try and kill all of the children under the age of two. There has always been enmity between the seed of the woman and Satan's seed. Satan has used angels to try and corrupt the genealogy of Christ's ancestors leading right up to Mary.
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and all of that answers my question how?

where in the bible does it say even more angels rebelled after that whole "Lucifer rebellion" thing?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX
 

The book of Enoch is scripture.
Anything written is technically scripture so according to who is it anything authoritative? Apparently not by the people who print Bibles.



Saint Jude certainly believed that the Book of Enoch was scripture as he reference's a passage from the book of Enoch in his letter.

You need to investigate the history of how the canon of scripture was developed. Just because a book has been excluded from the canon, does not mean it is not inpsired by God. Enoch was Noah's great grandfather and he was caught up to be with God before the flood.


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edit on 10-8-2011 by XplanetX because: typo



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by racasan

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by XplanetX
 


Bible god seems to have more problems with his creation than I do with my “very” old car

So you are saying even more angels abandoned their post, they basically told god to "stick it where the sun don't shine" – I wonder if you can support that with the bible?



REV 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.


The Dragon has many names:

Lucipher, Satan, Devil, Serpent, Morning Star, etc...

A third of the stars that are swept from the sky and flung to earth represent one third of the angels that chose to follow the dragon. So to answer your question, yes they decided to disobey God and follow the devil. Satan is outnumbered 2:1. He is angry because he knows that his time is short.

One of his plans was to try and destroy the seed of the woman because he knew that her seed would eventually crush him:

GE 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

The scripture clearly states that the serpent(devil) has his own offspring. The devil strikes the heel of her offspring (Jesus dies on the cross). Jesus will crush the devil when he returns.

This is why Satan used King Herod to try and kill all of the children under the age of two. There has always been enmity between the seed of the woman and Satan's seed. Satan has used angels to try and corrupt the genealogy of Christ's ancestors leading right up to Mary.
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and all of that answers my question how?

where in the bible does it say even more angels rebelled after that whole "Lucifer rebellion" thing?


Only 200 angels left their natural habitation in heaven before the flood. Read the book of Enoch if you are actually interested, please do this.

Satan actually goes to and fro, from the heaven and the earth. The evidence for this can be found in the book of Job.

JOB 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

JOB 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

JOB 1:9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."


The other angels that follow Satan, follow him after the flood. This can be ascertained from the chronological events in the book of Revelation.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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Saint Jude certainly believed that the Book of Enoch was scripture as he reference's a passage from the book of Enoch in his letter.
How do you know that there wasn't another document that they both quoted or borrowed from? That sort of thing happened all the time. There was hardly anything original.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX
 

Saint Jude certainly believed that the Book of Enoch was scripture as he reference's a passage from the book of Enoch in his letter.
How do you know that there wasn't another document that they both quoted or borrowed from? That sort of thing happened all the time. There was hardly anything original.




The dead sea scrolls prove otherwise.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX
 

Saint Jude certainly believed that the Book of Enoch was scripture as he reference's a passage from the book of Enoch in his letter.
How do you know that there wasn't another document that they both quoted or borrowed from? That sort of thing happened all the time. There was hardly anything original.

The dead sea scrolls prove otherwise.
And how is that?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:37 AM
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You wrote:

["There is no special understanding of the scriptures. You either understand the scriptures or you do not."]

A completely irrational statement. But OK, let's try it.

I, Bogomil, DO understand the scriptures. And seemingly you disagree with me, so consequently you DO NOT understand scriptures.

Quote: ["2Thessalonians 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."]

I do not live in that imaginatorium, where the bible 'proves' the bible. In my reality Jahveh is a schizoid sociopath, who through violence enforces his own rules and call them truths.

As I 'predicted' in my former post, you are already DEEP into circle-argumentation.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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You do realise that if you say the bible is the perfect word of god but then have to start running to non-canonical books to make the story work – then you have already lost



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX
 

Saint Jude certainly believed that the Book of Enoch was scripture as he reference's a passage from the book of Enoch in his letter.
How do you know that there wasn't another document that they both quoted or borrowed from? That sort of thing happened all the time. There was hardly anything original.

The dead sea scrolls prove otherwise.
And how is that?



Due to their age (through carbon dating) and consistency with all modern day scripture.

But don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by racasan
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You do realise that if you say the bible is the perfect word of god but then have to start running to non-canonical books to make the story work – then you have already lost



The canon of scripture is the decision of men, the scriptures themselves are of God.

2PE 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2PE 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by bogomil
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You wrote:

["There is no special understanding of the scriptures. You either understand the scriptures or you do not."]

A completely irrational statement. But OK, let's try it.

I, Bogomil, DO understand the scriptures. And seemingly you disagree with me, so consequently you DO NOT understand scriptures.

Quote: ["2Thessalonians 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."]

I do not live in that imaginatorium, where the bible 'proves' the bible. In my reality Jahveh is a schizoid sociopath, who through violence enforces his own rules and call them truths.

As I 'predicted' in my former post, you are already DEEP into circle-argumentation.






1CO 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX
 


You wrote:

["There is no special understanding of the scriptures. You either understand the scriptures or you do not."]

A completely irrational statement. But OK, let's try it.

I, Bogomil, DO understand the scriptures. And seemingly you disagree with me, so consequently you DO NOT understand scriptures.

Quote: ["2Thessalonians 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."]

I do not live in that imaginatorium, where the bible 'proves' the bible. In my reality Jahveh is a schizoid sociopath, who through violence enforces his own rules and call them truths.

As I 'predicted' in my former post, you are already DEEP into circle-argumentation.






1CO 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.








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