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House Committee Approves Law to Kill Internet Privacy Permanently

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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That name is what brought the anecdote back to me. A better name for the child pornography bill would be The Encouragement of Blackmail by Law Enforcement Act. At issue is how to catch child pornographers. It's too hard now, say the bill's backers, and I can sympathize. It's their solution that appalls me: under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned.




I know for a fact that ISPs are monitoring user's every single move RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, but now they can do it under law, legally.

I know this has been discussed but now that it is close to being passed, who really is scared to use the internet in your own home knowing that each time you click on a link it is sending a clear message of your name-address-IP-etc and website to an ISP employees computer? I mean how #ed up is that?

Next, it has to go before the full house before becoming law.
edit on 3-8-2011 by fordrew because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Download and use TOR Plugin for Firefox or just get the stand alone program and get an out of country proxy.

Yes it is ridiculous that we have to resort to these kind of measures to keep from people snooping our online usage but if you value your privacy like I and many others do than this law will meaning nothing to you because if you want to keep your privacy you already know how to do it.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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What im not happy about is other people seeing my bank account numbers, s.s. #'s and credit card #'s. I pay most of my bills online, and hearing about this is going to make me want to do it the old way, via snail mail.

This is honestly just heading towards what i and many others already know will happen, this is off-topic i know but will all end in the same place. Everything is spiraling out of our control and ito the control of Mr. Anti-Christ, who more likely than not is already walking this earth right NAO! Keep your eyes on whats going on in the middle east. Before Jesus can return, the anti-christ must make himself known, and before he can do that the temple of solomon must be rebuilt. All the upheaval in Israel right now is going to lead to that first step. IT HAS BEGUN.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Okay, How does TOR change or help anything when the logging point for everything you are doing is the next hop from the plug on the back of your modem? I admit to not understanding TOR and the other technologies to hide your ID nearly as well as I need to. It just seems the provider themselves would necessarily still know you are you and their property is still being used by your computer here and there?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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See that's the thing with TOR. It encrypts your signal, so all your ISP sees is you going somewhere but it has no idea where. When combined with the out of country proxy you become basically invisible. All your isp will be able to log is that you are using the internet



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Dr. Strange
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See that's the thing with TOR. It encrypts your signal, so all your ISP sees is you going somewhere but it has no idea where. When combined with the out of country proxy you become basically invisible. All your isp will be able to log is that you are using the internet


Wouldn't the real kiddie porn peeps do this kind of thing? Making this bill or law pointless? Not saying you would personally know or anything. Just common sense to me. So I would think they will go after the proxy's and such next? Making this just the beginning.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Indeed, and this is where the entire idea of "tracking" crumbles. As of yet, there is no way of quickly cracking SSL encryption. This is why authentication and purchasing transactions are done through SSL (Https). Just as with TOR, ISPs could track that you went to a site, but they would not be able to see what you retrieved other than filenames.

TOR is a tad better in that the ENTIRE message is encrypted, including the headers and even the location you are requesting. It stays encrypted until it leaves the TOR network in a random location on its way to the target web server.

VPNs (virtual private networks) are another approach for defeating this sort of legislation. I actually predict the rise of open VPN networks creating alter-web eventually.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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The problem with the proxy strategy is the weak link. Your ISPs were you local defenders against intrusion. Ultimately most HAVE to go through them to access the internet. Unless your supremely paranoid and driven to extremes you could leech someone else's connection and get them in trouble for whatever you do....

In the end whatever 'point of presence' you touch on the web will be (and probably is, as the OP pointed out) logged and retained in perpetuity. As long as the physical connection exists, they have a node to analyze that reflects the data packets streamed to your computer.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Yes unfortunately the TOR is widely used by sexual deviants as well as people with less than legal ventures. Using the TOR browser it allows you to access sites on the "deep web". And yes alot of these sites are used by perverts and criminals alike to share images and stories of murder/sex with minors as well as sell drugs. There is a website called the Silk Road that allows you to buy any drug in any amount with BItcoins (An untraceable online currency). There is also a website where a team of "professionals" will perform a hit for you for the right amount (about 10,000 bitcoin equivalent to 50,000$ last time i checked.).

As for the out of country proxy, if you go with one from the Netherlands or Norway they have it right in their contract that they will not release your information to anyone, no matter what the risk. They exist in a different jurisdiction and it will literally take America starting a war with them to get the information. Remember these are the same guys that have kept Wikileaks and The Pirate Bay going for years even though America has tried countless times to stop them.

So in essence this bill is aimed at the regular every day Joe American, because as I stated above the ones that have a reason to hide on the net will always find a way.

Edit to add: I am not a criminal nor a pedophile but when I first found out about the deep web my curiosity got the best of me and I decided to take a look for myself what it is all about. Don't get me wrong not all the websites on the deep web are bad in fact i found a few that have entire libraries uploaded and allow you to download any book in existence for free, but at the same time i did run into sites that the average internet user shouldn't have access to nor should even exist.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Dr. Strange because: Clarification



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by fordrew
Bill's Page

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That name is what brought the anecdote back to me. A better name for the child pornography bill would be The Encouragement of Blackmail by Law Enforcement Act. At issue is how to catch child pornographers. It's too hard now, say the bill's backers, and I can sympathize. It's their solution that appalls me: under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned.




I know for a fact that ISPs are monitoring user's every single move RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, but now they can do it under law, legally.

I know this has been discussed but now that it is close to being passed, who really is scared to use the internet in your own home knowing that each time you click on a link it is sending a clear message of your name-address-IP-etc and website to an ISP employees computer? I mean how #ed up is that?

Next, it has to go before the full house before becoming law.
edit on 3-8-2011 by fordrew because: (no reason given)


What happens if people start obfuscating their HTTP traffic?

How about a bot script that randomizes what you do/where you go on the internet. 25 tabs in Firefox and only 1 is really you.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Won't matter. The point is your computer is still accessing the internet. Isp is monitoring every website you visit won't matter if you have tabs open or not.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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And you cannot connect via a free or paid VPN because...?

well?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Yea OK it's to stop child porn
, because thats soooo common that we all need to suffer because some kiddy twiddling pervert has to show his sick crime to other perverts. What a flimsy lie, It's not like this will help a single thing perverts are still going to hurt children they just wont share it on the internet. How about do something to the criminals like cut them into pieces? or burn them with a gas soaked truck tire?, make the punishment very severe and see how fast your problem is solved. As if this bill would do anything to hinder anyone with basic knowlegd of how to use a proxy. This is just another power grab plain and simple



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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I am surprised anonymous e.c.t isn't combating this. I wish I had 1337 haxorz, I would do my part, damn.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Other countries have such laws already. You can buy yourself some privacy using VPNs though. I wasnt aware American ISPs didnt keep records of their users for some ammount of time.


Originally posted by Dr. Strange
reply to post by showintail
 


Yes unfortunately the TOR is widely used by sexual deviants as well as people with less than legal ventures. Using the TOR browser it allows you to access sites on the "deep web". And yes alot of these sites are used by perverts and criminals alike to share images and stories of murder/sex with minors as well as sell drugs. There is a website called the Silk Road that allows you to buy any drug in any amount with BItcoins (An untraceable online currency). There is also a website where a team of "professionals" will perform a hit for you for the right amount (about 10,000 bitcoin equivalent to 50,000$ last time i checked.).



Wow that sounds like wild stuff. Anyone got screenshots?
edit on 4-8-2011 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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i.imgur.com...

This is a screenshot of the "hidden wiki". It is a portal used on the TOR network to guide new users to the sites they want to see.

The hidden wiki can only be accessed by having TOR network activated.




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