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The Attempted American Coup d'etat..

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Yes and I suppose you just expect Americans to sit and wait to die?

Do tell, can you think of any such camp to have been even remotely successful in that goal since the advent of the gun?

No no, not the silly Concentration camps the Germans created. Those, the citizens didn't know how to fight, the people were defeated in mind and spirit because that's the culture of Europe, and the soldiers had no souls to begin with. I mean actual death camps with the purpose of killing people whose occupants were from a defiant-to-the-death people? Can you name one that succeeded? Because you seem to have this idea that killing a few will make the rest get in line, when if anything, history teaches that such tactics done to a free and defiant people lead to miserable failure.

In the video game world, they even contemplate ways an unarmed population can manage to break out of one.

I can imagine several thousand Americans pulling this off.



For goodness sake, even Captain America knows, silly!

imgur.com...

It will never succeed, because we are all like rocks, defiant until the end. You can kill one of us, but a hundred more take his place. That's why death camps don't work on free men.




posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by buster2010
 


Yes and I suppose you just expect Americans to sit and wait to die?

Do tell, can you think of any such camp to have been even remotely successful in that goal since the advent of the gun?

No no, not the silly Concentration camps the Germans created. Those, the citizens didn't know how to fight, the people were defeated in mind and spirit because that's the culture of Europe, and the soldiers had no souls to begin with. I mean actual death camps with the purpose of killing people whose occupants were from a defiant-to-the-death people? Can you name one that succeeded? Because you seem to have this idea that killing a few will make the rest get in line, when if anything, history teaches that such tactics done to a free and defiant people lead to miserable failure.

In the video game world, they even contemplate ways an unarmed population can manage to break out of one.

I can imagine several thousand Americans pulling this off.



For goodness sake, even Captain America knows, silly!

imgur.com...

It will never succeed, because we are all like rocks, defiant until the end. You can kill one of us, but a hundred more take his place. That's why death camps don't work on free men.


This isn't fifty years ago. Actually the camps were doing quite well until foreign countries stepped in and put a stop to it. Where was all the German protests against the camps? Why do you think we have to fill out paperwork when we buy weapons? Makes it easier to know who has them and where they are at. Americans like rocks?
Americans now are fat lazy couch potatoes give them their creature comforts and they will stay quite fearing they may be next. The past thirty years has been spent programming the public to be nice and docile and it has worked very well. Now they only rise up when when they told too.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Wow, what kind of silly unfortunate assumptions. Get out some more and see the real America.

On second thought maybe not. Your silly assumptions of docile behavior is liable to get you killed in 3/4ths of the country.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
Wait - if so many of TPTB were in favor of fascism (Hitler & Mussolini), then why did the U.S. go to war against them in WW2?

Maybe the American Powers That Be saw how incredibly powerful Hitler had become and thought he was bad for business?


The world politial "leaders" are installed by TPTB, and in some rare cases may be "stockholders" or "board members" of TPTB. (Saudi Arabia one example)

TPTB are famous for financing both sides in wars. They have agents in all markets worldwide.

Infrastructures get destroyed and then rebuilt (FOR MONEY of course !) by Corporations, not governments !

Natural resources get "exploited" by Corporations !

Corporations create the "needs" and create the "shortages" to support artificially high demand and hence high prices !

The Corps always get the money.

Look back at all major wars in history and see WHO gets paid shortly afterwards !

Look at WHO controls all the world trade and money after WW2 .... right again ....

The International Corporations !

Who is "rebuilding" Iraq ?

Who will be "rebuilding" Libya ? .... auhhh .. right again ....

The International Corporations !

The Merchant Business Trade cartels (TPTB) have been "in business" for many thousands of years !



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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Actually Gorman, the Northeast and the West Coast would be docile little sheep. The South and Mountain/Desert West would be another story. Even many cities in the South/West will capitulate. Many Americans have become docile and weak. There are still alot out there who believe in freedom and will fight for it. We still have our guns after all (as opposed to Euros). That being said, if something like that happened we'd all be screwed. The docile sheep would be put down like crippled pets. The others would be treated like coyotes. A nuisance animal to be hunted and killed. Let's hope it never comes to that.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Can't agree with that when I have to keep one eye open walking in some places in the city. While there are docile areas, specifically San Francisco and Some of New England, the rest of the country is just plain violent.

I did a test on myself a little ways back. I wanted to see what someone with no military experience but from video games would perform against others with actual military training or personal skills. So I played a game of paintball for something like 6 hours or maybe more. I forget. But in that time, I went several hours without getting shot, managing to hit a good couple. Eventually though I did get shot. Twice to the head.

What this tells me is this. Even nerds with nothing but video game experience can be decent militia. And if a couple dozen million video gamers can have a kill death ratio of 6/1, I think that's damn good odds. And if such inexperienced people like that can fair that way, then actual hunters, veterans, farmers, and others, will definable do better.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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oh my, how history does repeat itself... notice how the players really haven't changed that much. no wait! the players are the same, because the coup was a success. The industrialists got their war, Billions of dollars were made & well.. that's all that mattered!
my question, how does this dovetail with the "German Industrialists" that backed Hitlers rise to power? (Thyssen being one).
was this a form of pincer move to take out a larger target?
was WWII instigated by this group? (who cares what side we were on! the answer seems obvious).
now I have to go rethink a lot of things... a LOT of things.

I'll call it now, Jeb Bush WILL step out of the shadows, run for (and win) President of the U.S. if not in 2012, in 2016. just because it makes sense after reading this.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Its possible that FDR was intimidated into working for Wall St., but I'm having a difficult time uncovering what he did, if anything, that was contrary to Wall St.?

This tyrant committed one of the most heinous acts in American history by robbing the American people of their gold and ordering that it be turned over, not to the US Treasury, but to the private "Federal Reserve".

All of this was done illegally and unconstitutionally via Executive Order ("EO"). Keep in mind that every EO is illegal and unconstitutional because it allows the President to completely usurp the Legislative branch.

FDR was an open agent of the Rothschilds and the bankers.

He was also responsible for one of the largest failures in American history: Social Security. Not to mention the LIHOP event known as Pearl Harbor.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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I believe George W and Dick Cheney reworked this exact plot, and pulled it off succesfully. They even built up the army YEARS before 911 even happened. They met several times with Erik Prince before bush was even elected, the same guy who just happened to create a legal merc army soon after 9/11. They couldn't figure out how to change the US regime so went and did it somewhere else. All while raking in cash because they all own the support structure that US tax payers funded. All thm no bid contracts...must have felt good signing so much money into thier back pockets.

Cool thread.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Great thread man, although qite sad at the same time. Never cease to impress.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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I believe the Coup d'etat proved to be successful on November 22, 1963, a day that SHOULD live in infamy. On this day, the CIA took control of America's Foreign policy, LBJ got his much desired Presidency, Corporate America got the Vietnam War, and the elite bankers began deficit spending.


I honestly believe you are right. As the OP points out industrialists were instrumental in forming the fascist governments of both Italy and Germany, and were behind The Business Plot. If anyone looks closely enough I believe they will see that many of the same industrialists were involved in all three, and indeed are the same ones who are working behind the scenes here in the US today. And the level of power that these firms - whose only allegiance is revenue, as our loss of jobs to the third world indicate - have reached, is probably much greater than ever before in history.

Recall that corporations may now contribute as much as they like to political campaigns. Consider that we are all eating Genetically Modified Foods and consuming High Fructose Corn Syrup before any research for safety has been done. That it is illegal to state on the label that the milk you produce is free of Bovine Growth Hormones. The Power Companies do not have to comply with mandates for the cleanliness of their emissions. Monsanto is allowed to sue farmers into whose fields the GMO corn pollen has gained an unwelcome foothold. Gas companies are hydro-fracking peoples water supply till the water running out of the tap will ignite, and the water is a deep murky brown, and yet the EPA says this brown liquid is safe to drink. The major lumber companies are clear cutting even though no one outside of their firms thinks it is a good idea. And aspartame is now in 5000 products - thanks to Don Rumsfeld - despite warnings of 192 serious side effects from the FDA. I see some rather striking paralels.

The only differences I see between prewar Italy, US, and Germany, and today in the US is that this time the industrialists own the media and we don't have to get rid of the President since he is in on it too. The President before him was in on it, and the next one to come will be in on it as well. In fact, for the last three elections, Greg Palast and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. have been working to alert people that the voted is being controlled to select rather than elect.

In my opinion a coup has occurred and you have the date correct. This time though is it was done relatively quietly.

Would that constitute a coup? Or would Sorros and a President of questionable national origin constitute one?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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This was a wonderful post. I really enjoyed reading. I consider myself a history nut, but some of this I had never heard of. I think I was aware of the concept, but not all the details. It breaks my heart how Americans have been cheated out of knowing our history while studying trivia in detail. Thank you for posting.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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TAXPAYERS STILL PAYING FOR USA’S ‘BANKRUPTCY’ IN 1930


What you are about to read is America’s best-kept secret.

From 1928 to 1932, there were five years of “Geneva Conventions.” The free nations of the world met in Geneva, Switzerland for five continuous years to set up what would be the “bankrupt policy” of all the participating nations.

In 1930, the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and other countries all declared bankruptcy.

It was the result of the stock market crash of 1929. The Great Depression triggered the bankruptcies....

In 1932, Franklin Roosevelt came into power as President of the United States.

Roosevelt’s job was to put into place and administer the bankruptcy that had been declared two years earlier.

America’s “Corporate Government” needed a key Supreme Court decision to implement the bankruptcy plan.

The “corporate” United States government had to have a legal case on the books to set the stage for recognizing, implementing and supporting the bankruptcy.

The bankruptcy started in 1930-31.

The bankruptcy became “official” when Roosevelt came into office, although the public was not aware of the “declaration of bankruptcy” in Geneva by the United States...


follow the link, it explains how the Uniform Commercial Code invalidated the U.S. Constitution for all practical purposes !


The UCC came into full effect shortly after Kennedy was assasinated ! Hmmmm?


The article also confirms some of this in the Congressional records !

AND WHO benefits most from the UCC ? .... right again ! ...

The International Corporations !

welcome to the UKnighted States of America ! .....



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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The Bush family (right Hegelians) staging a coup detat against Roosevelt(Socialist/communist left Hegelian)....is that like Bush Jr running against John Kerry? Left and right hegelians again from Yale Skull and Bones.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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I wanted a bit more detail on what exactly is a Coup de'at.......interesting to note from WIki, tell me nothing jumps out at you as being significant here in the USA..



A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état)—

also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, extrajudicial deposition of a government,[1][2][3] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military. A coup d'état succeeds if the usurpers establish their dominance when the incumbent government fails to prevent or successfully resist their consolidation of power. If the coup neither fully fails nor achieves overall success, the attempted coup d'etat is likely to lead to a civil war.

Typically, a coup d'état uses the extant government's power to assume political control of the country. In Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook, military historian Edward Luttwak says, "A coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder", thus, armed force (either military or paramilitary) is not a defining feature of a coup d'état..
WIki



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, I think Our Government is listed as a cooperation.
I think in Brads and Dunn...I'll go look. If I find it I'll link to it...

Okay I think it's here:adask.wordpress.com... ration-called-the-united-states-of-america/



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 03:42 AM
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Great post OP.

Thats some very interesting information,i enjoyed reading it.

That may have been a attemp at overthrowing and installing a dictorship,but i think they have since succeeded in executing a plan like this.

Thanks again OP.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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The Bush family (right Hegelians) staging a coup detat against Roosevelt


Well, in all fairness, It wasn't solely the Bush family staging a coup against anyone here. One of the main reasons his name has been mentioned so much when discussing this case is simply because he's a member of the Bush family and people see them as nothing short of "evil" today, something I disagree with although I'm not exactly a supporter of them to say the least still. The point is If one was to look closely at this case, we'd see the Du Pont family as the main culprits as they were seemingly the main funders of the entire plot, according to the sources I could find anyway.

Bush, as it appears, was involved, yes, but so were many other businessmen and corporations and yet they don't receive the same attention as him. We know Bush seemingly helped in financing Nazi Germany - again, something many others at the time did but he's singled out due to his second name which, no matter how much he's disliked, is unfair.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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although qite sad at the same time.


I think the saddest thing of all is that these people/corporations seemingly got away with it. They were allowed to go about doing what they did before the plot even came about. Worst of all, the media then ceased discussing the plot after the commission and went about criticizing what really was a great war leader - Smedley Butler, at times questioning his mental stability of all things. It truly is sad.

Smedley Butler deserves a lot of praise for what he did, by far more than he's seemingly received so far. After all, how many people, even before this thread, knew his name? I'll hazard a guess and say it wasn't many.

Smedley Butler, perhaps one of the few true American Heroes...




posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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no, you're wrong. it was 9/11. good day.




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