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Are Republican tea party Conservatives True Christians?

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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I don’t know really where to put this OP therefore I invite those who do this kind of thing to put this where they like or leave it here.

What is amazing is that the Republican conservative tea party people, such as for example Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman, claim to be Christians, followers of Christ. But the way they treat the poor and downtrodden and view the rich and powerful, that seems to be a strange claim to say the least.

Here are examples of what the Bible says about the poor:

Jesus said: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Proverbs 29:7 “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”
Deuteronomy 15:10 “Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”

Psalm 41:1 “Blessed is he who has regard for the weak; the LORD delivers him in times of trouble.”

Proverbs 19:17 “He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.”

Proverbs 22:9 “A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor.”

Isaiah 58:10 "And if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday."

Jeremiah 7:5-7 "If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your forefathers for ever and ever."

Matthew 19:20 “‘All these I have kept,’ the young man said. ‘What do I still lack?’ Jesus answered, ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’"

Luke 14:12-14 "Then Jesus said to his host, ‘When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.’"

Luke 12:33-34 "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

Proverbs 14:31 “He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”

Isaiah 10:1-3 " Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches?”

Jeremiah 5:28 “‘Their evil deeds have no limit; they do not plead the case of the fatherless to win it, they do not defend the rights of the poor. ‘Should I not punish them for this?’ declares the LORD. ‘Should I not avenge myself on such a nation as this?’”

Amos 5:12 “For I know how many are your offenses and how great your sins. You oppress the righteous and take bribes and you deprive the poor of justice in the courts.”

Luke 6:24 " But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort."

Proverbs 14:31 “He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”

Proverbs 19:17 “He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.”

1 John 3:17 But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him--how can God's love be within him

John 3:18 Little children, let us stop just saying we love people; let us really love them, and show it by our actions.

1 Sam. 2:8 He lifts the poor from the dust-- Yes, from a pile of ashes-- And treats them as princes sitting in the seats of honor. For all the earth is the Lord's And he has set the world in order.

Prov. 19:17 When you help the poor you are lending to the Lord--and he pays wonderful interest on your loan!

Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

James 1:27 The Christian who is pure and without fault, from God the Father's point of view, is the one who takes care of orphans and widows, and who remains true to the Lord--not soiled and dirtied by his contacts with the world.

Psa. 82:3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.

Psa 82:4 Rescue the poor and helpless from the grasp of evil men.
Prov. 28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.







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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Bleeding Heart Tightwads


Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.


You are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Conservatives out-give liberals.

You can't say that ALL Tea Party members are Christians, just like you can't say that all Christians always do a good job living their faith. Christianity, however, teaches us that while no man is perfect, and we all sin and fall short, God loves us anyway.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Many of the Tea Party are not even Christians. The answer to your question is up to each individual. I do not condemn a person or question their faith just because they support cutting off entitlements. In their own heart they may truly feel that is the best path to making sure there are no more poor. Many are misled on the taxing issue. They support more hardship for the poor and elevate the wealthy. I personally like Ron Paul's take on the entitlement issue. We cannot simply cut off the poor and entitlements, as many have become dependent on these. We have to rework the financial system to one that is fair and spreads wealth, not allows it to accumulate in the hands of a few. Only when the financial system is returned to the people, can we begin to start reducing the scope of entitlements.

By the way thank you for all the bible quotes.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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The Tea party is a political movement, where does religion come into it?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Philanthropy is cool.

However, it does not excuse politics that allow corporations to take advantage of people,

It does not excuse politics that disenfranchise the most vulnerable.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus
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Philanthropy is cool.

However, it does not excuse politics that allow corporations to take advantage of people,

It does not excuse politics that disenfranchise the most vulnerable.


I would assert that BOTH parties (and I'm talking about the politicians here) contribute to the disenfranchisement of the most vulnerable. I could give many examples from both parties.

I believe that the average American, of EITHER political persuasion, do not want to see corporations take advantage of anyone.

Really, guys. Get over the idea that the average American Conservative LOVES to see corporations get special breaks from politicians.

Actually, that is one of the reasons FOR the Tea Party movement. We are SICK of politicians.

I'm also rather tired of seeing Sarah Palin lambasted and accused of being pro-corporation. Did you not see how she governed Alaska? She told the good-old-boy Republican club to take a hike and she made decisions that benefitted the AVERAGE Alaskan.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Jesus said: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


and neo said : Again i tell you, it is easier for a camel to get welfare these days




Proverbs 29:7 “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”


yeah the righteous people do care about justice for the poor instead of just throwing money at them, but the wicked have us throw everything we have and the kitchen sink in as well.



Luke 12:33-34 "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."


sell all your possessions and give to the poor you end right up in the poor house. then who is going to provide for them,



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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I thought the only "True Christian" died on a cross over 2000 years ago for the sins of the Tea Party???



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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you realize that those 2 groups are gold medal darwin award champion all star dream teams of intellectualism...

Conservatives are pro-war, remember all those battles where jesus killed people and "supported our troops".

plus Jesus would have been worried about his 401k, remember how jesus was KNOWN for putting money away for selfishness and greed. I mean COME ON Jesus didn't like, go around looking for people to help and give EVERYTHING he had did he?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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There are absolutely no "true christians" anywhere in politics. Only phony ones. They all put on the guise of christian belief and go out to pursue the christian voters.

They all disgust me, not just tea partiers, repubs, dems, but all of them. They have hijacked all of our belief systems, weaponised them, and used them against us.

I do wish ill on all of them and their families. I don't consider myself to be a christian, but was raised in it.

My only hope is that there is a dark version of the "power of prayer". Wouldn't it be nice for people to get together and just pray for all of these politico jerk-offs to die miserably.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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yep that wasnt very christian like



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Just goes to show what little you know about the Tea Party when you call them Republican.

They are for neither party... it's just that since we live in a two party system (politically) then have to pick sides to work with etc.. regardless of what side.

The problem(s) is/are that the Democratic Party has let itself become so far left that any normal thinking person-who wishes the best for their country and is unhappy with what they preceive the Dem Party being, they appear to be Republican.

Give it time. They will be surprising everyone in the next election.

And, as I see things, you better hope they win and win big.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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One could ask the same of liberals and Democrats. Either way, the answer is going to depend on the person and it's irrelevant to how they behave. I've known some atheists who were more generous and helpful than a lot of Christians I've met. Religious labels mean nothing.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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When Palin is in NY she's a Jew.

www.opposingviews.com...

They're all just opposrtunists. None of these leeches follow in the footsteps of Christ. To actually think otherwise is silly. They just say things to attract voters. If eating fesces attracted votes, I guarantee they'd do it and claim they're the best fecal eater around.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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To be fair, you must include all capitalists, period. You cannot endorse personal property over public welfare and claim to be Christ-like. No matter what justifications a person can come up with, Jesus would not approve of capitalism.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by auraelium
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The Tea party is a political movement, where does religion come into it?


Religion or christanity comes in when folks have to do the little song and dance for the voter base. Heck the Dems do it to.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Are you sure about that?

Wasn't he a carpenter... for a while/by trade.

you think he did his work for free?

He had to eat somehow and we know money existed then.

We only know him as he is presented to us and writings... not is day to day life during his working years.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by anon72
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Are you sure about that?

Wasn't he a carpenter... for a while/by trade.

you think he did his work for free?

He had to eat somehow and we know money existed then.

We only know him as he is presented to us and writings... not is day to day life during his working years.


You are confusing occupational compensation with capitalism. Look at the OP to see many biblical references on a basic wealth "cap" everybody should adhere to. Beyond that, the Christian god says to give it all away. Look at all the ass he kicked when he came upon the money changers! He actually got physical.

The bible is riddled with references to the love of money equating to evil. Once you attain a certain amount of wealth, the Christian thing to do is give it all away. That is not capitalism. It's not necessarily communism either.

We are not done evolving and I think there will be something altogether new in the next 10 years. There is no way we can live in a society where all poor people have instant communication with each other and expect the rich to hold on to it's misbegotten wealth. This is what the power elite have been afraid of for 100's of years.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Stop confusing Socialism with caring about the poor. It is just an economic ideology based on Marxism. Even Marx had a maid by the way. So much for cleansing himself of the bourgeoisie way. In the Socialist utopia, all proletariat will be equally miserable(unless you really love being the slave of the State).


Don't kid yourself that all of Bill Gates donations for vaccines to Africa are out of the goodness of his heart. He wants to rid the earth of the useless eaters.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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what? jesus had a job? how dare he!!!
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