Doesn't explain why millions of Africans and Indians with HIV and no access to medicine. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Asia Minor
Doesn't explain why millions of Africans and Indians with HIV and no access to medicine. Simple as that.

.. and the last time you went to Africa and India to examine these patients was in.............??

The ones that die are the ones that can't get medication. Don't know?

Originally posted by mongoose

If you catch the common cold, you're going to carry antibodies against that virus for the rest of your life. Same w/ HIV. If you're infected w/ HIV, and you come down w/ the mild flu-like symptoms, your immune system will fight it off, and you'll carry antibodies against HIV for the rest of your life. THAT'S WHAT YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO DO!! This explains these "miraculous survivors" who are somehow able to live for 10 years, 15 years w/ HIV "infection" and somehow "magically" never develop symptoms of full blown AIDS.

I thought HIV was a ever changing virus. How can your body fight off a virus that changes throughout it's victims?

I can't say I agree with Duesberg when I know for a fact that AIDS and or the HIV virus killed my two younger brothers. One was gay the other got it in a blood transfusion in'82. Both had severe really severe K.Sarcoma At the thime of their deaths, they basically had no descerning human features. Their skin had a hollow sound if you tapped on it. My brother who was gay, lived with it for almost 16 yrs. and the younger from '82 to 96. They died 6 months apart and were not put on any major antiviral meds. only pot which seemed to help with the pain and undernurishment problem. My little bro. who by nature was a practical joker asked me if I wanted to see a football and I said o.k. He lifted the sheet that was covering him and he exposed his nads and they had fused together and were the actuall size of a pony league ft.ball. After I finished puking, I kissed him on the cheek and he told me if he did not see me again, that he loved me. I told him the same. I left for the drive home which was 15 min. away and when I got there my answering mach. was blinking and it was a call from my mom telling me Richard had died just mins. after I left. This crap is real and people need to be better educated on the subject. I can tell you this stuff is in people you would never think had done anything wrong. Pillars of the community type. I also feel that everyone should be tested regardless of age.

Well you see when you have the United States telling you that normal conditional diseases and illnesses are not subject to the States help, AIDS and HIV becomes a very easy way to "extort' money. If you have Diarreah and you're going to die, To Bad!.. but if you have Diarreah and HIV then Africa gets money for you. Its a political virus as much as it is a virus. It is indeed a factual problem, although he is correct in saying that HIV does NOT cause AIDS, its simply a correlating fact. There needs to be more work done on it, Just because birds happen to be on the power lines when the power goes out doesn't mean it's the birds fault. Although the AIDS problem in Africa can be linked to the Innoculation given by the WHO. Indeed what we have is a conspiracy.. the problem is, is that we're too busy discussing it and not doing anything about it.
I would also like to comment on the fact that Peter Duesberg is a professional, and that perhaps you're misunderstanding his points of view...
And NO HIV does not meet Kochs Postulates... that is, if you know what Kochs Postulates are.


EDIT: ... Not to mention that AZT randomly kills, Lung, Liver, Heart, Brain, and Kidney cells...

The way AZT works is similar to alcohol...
We inhibit alcohol and it increases our Adrenaline and other chemicals in respondse to the incoming poison we're ingesting..
AZT is such a violent TOXIN it increases a person T-Cells because it kills so many of them, ... in the same way... creating a pleasant feeling until it no longer works.. than because of the internal cell damage caused by AZT you end up unable to produce T-Cells.

[edit on 19/2/05 by dnero6911]

After reading this thread i tend to agree with the non drug approch,As we are very poor at drug useage,look at all the new drugs coming out ever year,meaning we are just trying and failing and trying again.
As to those who say the OP information is wrong im not sure how you can make that statment in full honesty,unless you have a cure wich means you know how aids works.As for siting the reasearch as the reason why you do not belive the OP,once again if the Reasearchers kne wthe answers there would be a cure,if in fact its even a disease.
As far as i can see noone has the Cure,so how can u say this is wrong?
Its like being someguy on teh side of the road that dont know how to fix a car,but likes tellign teh guy trying to fix teh car how to do it.
I belive more then anything its better to look at all options,and make no hasty conclustion.Our science is ever changeing and whats "right" today will be "wrong" tommoro,its provin time and time again.SO be open and explore possiblitys,Dont close your mind or you my find yourself alone.

Originally posted by charlie1
I wasnt born with it, i was born premature and had to have a blood transfusion (the blood they gave me was contaminated) My mother never put me on medication, because she figured i was fine without it. Also she has seen many kids die from taking the meds (mostly AZT) Me however, ive never been "sick" well i have gotten pnuemonia twice, but so have many people in my neighborhood, i live in the dessert..and its really cold during the winter. Otherwise im fine..and so is my child..No meds while pregnant either.

Charlie- did you have a c-section? I have heard that pregnant HIV+ women are usually forced to take the meds. The doctors will inform child protectiive services and create drama like a court order tot ake the antiviral cocktails- or is that a myth? I would think a c-section would prevent transmission during childbirth.

My friend (AD5673, a banned member from ATS), he says that the government made up AID and HIV to kill off gays and blacks. And some people and ATS also agree with that. Why do people think that...thats just...wrong. I for one, do not think that the government made AIDS and HIV.

Ive researched online SO much about this... I was watcing history channel, and many times i wa watching abuot LSD...and even the history cahnnel said, LSD was used in the early 1950's as a truth serum, per the CIA...a man they tested it on, was injected, hallucinated madly, and jumped out a 4 sotry window to his death...funny how it ends up fromt he clutches of the CIA onto our streets...makes ya wonder how it got thier..
I too, heard this as a kid...aids was desined to kill african americans, and gays..could be for all i k now, but in reality it dosnt discriminate at all..All you need, is a HIV+ partner, and a tear in your skin..transmisson must take place immediatly, otherwise hiv is so fragile, it dies in the air in a second. Transmission must be immediatly into the body, via an open soar, or cut.
It starts as HIV, but IF yuor immune ssytem has completly collapsed or disappeared, th yuo get AIDS...Aids really means, the next any infection, whatevers in the air, is yuor death sentence at this point, because yuo have not enough or no more white blood cells. Thats what aids means. Hiv infected, means yuor white cells are being reduced, as the hiv replicates and multipys.
I too years ago, mid 90's had hear that AZT? is nasty toxic stuff....
from what ive learned, azt is like getting chemo for cancer... without the chemo you prob could lived a year longer at most..with chemo in a few months, yuor dead...depending on what stage the cancer was in , of course.

For what its worth too..i had read online, in south africa, a self proclaimed doctor sells cocntrated chlorine...and claims 400 full blown AIDS patients were given cocnentrated chlorine in thier IV lines...a month later they were cured. Most look at this as snake oil, and theirs no real medical documentation to back his findings up, just a book yuo can buy form him, of course.
Citric aid, wa also an idea..a very good one, but thiers no way to have it introduced directly intoo yuor bloodstream in vast amounts...afterall, your veins and body hold blood, not citric acid, but theoretically, it should work, adn citiric acid and chlorine, are both disinfectants.
for those who choose to take an hiv test( oraswab) thier 99.9999% accurate, the window i 3 months, not 6. CDC never updated it. It checks for antibodys, not the virus. You can have a virus count, but its mad expensive, and takes god knows how many weeks, and those tests, may not be accurate at all, thier are false positives...
thats when yuor immune ssytem is weakened, IV/drug users, chemo patients can easily skew an hiv test, becasue of the chemicals in thier system.
I wish Big pharma would stop screwin around. and take things like this serious. Not just hiv, but everything, cancer, plagues and even the comon cold...find a cure, and help those who need it..not profit off of it.. Moraly and disgustingly wrong