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reply posted on 23-8-2004 @ 11:52 AM by Bleys
Originally posted by mongoose
Apparently a doctor in Florida injected himself back in 1994 as well:

www.virusmyth.net...


mongoose - This guy's reasoning and methodology seems pretty suspect. From the link you posted.


Instead of HIV, Willner believes AIDS is caused by malnutrition and drug use - both street drugs and prescription drugs, specifically AZT, the first drug to be approved for treatment of patients with AIDS.

He makes an exception for hemophiliacs, who have contracted AIDS in huge numbers. He said their disease is the result of contaminants in factor 8, the agent, made from dozens of blood donations, that hemophiliacs must inject so their blood will clot.


This is the worse kind of science. If AIDS was attributable simply to drug use and malnutrition - then it would never have affected hemophiliacs. But rather than admit that his hypothesis was incorrect, he attributes AIDS in hemophiliacs to contaminants in Factor 8 itself. What kind of researcher is this man? Certainly not one anyone should put any faith in.

Several other points I noticed in the article you linked - this doctor was the same one who supposedly injected himself with HIV in Spain and he also had his license to practice medicine revoked prior to his little stunt.

Oh and just because its pertinent - I noticed the "doctor" did not inject himself with HIV blood, he merely pricked his finger with the needle. That speaks volumes about how much faith this guy has in his own theories.


reply posted on 23-8-2004 @ 05:52 PM by Bleys
Originally posted by Nygdan
Its been theorized that there might be some people who are immune to the virus naturally. The virus also normally takes a long time to develop into 'fullblown' AIDS (sometime 10 years if I recall correctly). Since this is 20 years, obviously there is something going on with these people, something that might be helpful to other people.


I know this guy's work is very preliminary and significant additional research is necessary before drawing any conclusion, but it is fascinating nonetheless.

Double Immunity


Recently, scientists were astonished to find that some individuals did not become infected with HIV, even after repeated exposure to the deadly virus. For some reason, they were immune. A long and difficult scientific search, using blood samples from hundreds of HIV-resistant patients, finally teased out the genetic explanation. Resistant individuals had in their cells two copies of a mutation that disrupted the entryway through which HIV viruses entered white blood cells. People who inherited just one copy of the change could become infected, but their disease progressed more slowly.


If there is ever a cure it will come from what we can learn about these rare individuals who can reject the virus completely.



reply posted on 30-8-2004 @ 03:55 PM by amantine
Originally posted by Earthscum
Isn't it that we carry chlomidia(sp?) in our colon, and that's how it's contracted... through anal sex?


I think you mean Chlamydia, and specifically
Chlamydia trachomatis:

Genital tract infections

a. C. trachomatis (biovar: trachoma) is the most common sexually transmitted bacterial disease in the United States (4 million new cases each year) and 50 million new cases occur yearly worldwide. In the United States, the highest infection rates occur in Native and African Americans (Figure 4A) with a peak incidence in the late teens/early twenties (Figure 4B).

b. C. trachomatis (biovar: LGV) is a sexually transmitted disease that occurs sporadically in the United States but is more prevalent in Africa, Asia and South America. Humans are the only natural host. Incidence is 300 - 500 cases per year in the United States with male homosexuals being the major reservoir of the disease.


The page doesn't mention the colon though. Cervix, urethra and oviducts are mentioned. If you want, I can look into it more to see if there are any medical papers on chlamydia in the colon. You can also try on PudMed.

Clinical Syndromes

(...)

5. Urogenital infections - In females the infection is usually (80%) asymptomatic but symptoms can include cervicitis, urethritis, and salpingitis. Postpartum fever in infected mothers is common. Premature delivery and an increased rate of ectopic pregnancy due to salpingitis can occur. In the United States, tubal pregnancy is the leading cause of first-trimester, pregnancy-related deaths. In males, the infection is usually (75%) symptomatic.

(...)

Up to 40% of women with untreated (undiagnosed) chlamydia will develop pelvic inflammatory diseases and about 20% of these women will become infertile. Many untreated cases (18%) result in chronic pelvic pain.



reply posted on 31-8-2004 @ 12:16 AM by Byrd
I can give you a quick answer.
Originally posted by deafence#
mongoose has brought up an interesting article, though id like to point something out. everyone nowadays is pretty much convinced that if you get HIV/AIDs, your pretty much f#cked, well, there are so called treatments, but just think about the fact of how everyone percieves it. how will we ever find a cure for something that we mostly believe to be cureless?


Case: Africa
Cultural Belief: having sex with a virgin cures AIDS. This is a belief that's as strong as a fundamentalist Christian's belief in salvation.
Result: babies being raped and coming down with HIV. Please note that babies can't understand "faith" and so anything you treat them with or don't treat them with is something that can't be affected by faith.

such is the power of suggestion, or so this is how i see it. in that sense, this duesberg may just be onto something. think about it.


Have a look at the death rate in Africa before these drugs. Then ask yourself if Duesberg really knows what he's talking about.

and since we're speaking along the lines of the immune system, is anyone aware of the product "transfer factor" by 4life? im just curious, as to peoples takes on it, is all. i've taken it before and have been virtually healthy all the time during it, no sick, no cold, nadda, zilch. hmmm, or am i just on another trip of this power of suggestion?

thoughts?


Quackery, and the power of suggestion. If you take that stuff and hang out with a group who catches the flu, you'll get the flu. If you take it and have frequent sex with someone who has herpes, you'll get herpes.


reply posted on 1-9-2004 @ 08:30 PM by ktprktpr
Check out what Gary Null has to say about HIV

www.sumeria.net...


What's Wrong With H.I.V. Equals AIDS?

"In a nutshell, the idea of AIDS is a phony construct," states Lauritsen. "It ties together 29 old diseases along with the presumption of H.I.V. infection.... This is not caused by H.I.V., the retrovirus."

"As applied, the H.I.V. theory is ... useless as a medical hypothesis," asserts Mullis, winner of the 1993 Nobel prize in chemistry for inventing the polymerase-chain-reaction test for detecting the human immunodeficiency virus.

"I am well convinced that H.I.V. is harmless," states Dr. Fabio Franchi, a specialist in infectious diseases and preventive medicine.
Why do these scientists and hundreds of others doubt the official story on AIDS? Thomas, Mullis, and Johnson offer three reasons:

"First, after spending billions of dollars, H.I.V. researchers are still unable to explain how H.I.V., a conventional retrovirus with a very simple genetic organization, damages the immune system, much less how to stop it. The present stalemate contrasts dramatically with the confidence expressed in 1984. At that time Gallo thought the virus killed cells directly by infecting them, and the U.S. government officials predicted a vaccine would be available in two years. [Eleven] years later, no vaccine is in sight, and the certainty about how the virus destroys the immune system has dissolved in confusion.

"Second, in the absence of any agreement about how H.I.V. causes AIDS, the only evidence that H.I.V. does cause AIDS is correlation. The correlation is imperfect at best, however. There are many cases of persons with all the symptoms of AIDS who do not have any H.I.V. infection. There are also many cases of persons who have been infected by H.I.V. for more than a decade and show no signs of illness.

"Third, predictions based on the H.I.V. theory have failed spectacularly. AIDS in the United States and Europe has not spread through the general population. Rather, it remains almost entirely confined to the original risk groups - mainly sexually promiscuous gay men and drug abusers. The [rate] of H.I.V.-infected Americans has [increased more slowly] instead of increasing rapidly as predicted, which suggests that H.I.V. is an old virus that has been with us for centuries without causing an epidemic."

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