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Originally posted by mongoose
Have you guys heard about this? It's a theory put forth by Peter Duesberg at Cal Berkeley. You can find his Web site here:
Some interesting points about this.. Duesberg wrote a book on this topic, called "Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS".. The Feds banned the book(!) In fact, to the best of anyone's knowledge, this appears to be the first time in history that the Feds have EVER banned a book.. which I suppose goes to show that the content contained therein is pretty explosive..
Below I summarize some info from the Duesberg Web site.. not that I believe 100% of it (although a lot of it makes a lot of sense), but it's definately interesting:
HIV is completely harmless. HIV is a retrovirus.. if HIV does in fact cause AIDS, it would be the first and to date only known retrovirus that causes a fatal, or any serious, disease in man. Humans have a very highly evolved immune system. Retroviruses are super primitive, even by viral standards.. they're basically little more than strands of RNA. To think that a simple little retrovirus could cause such a litany of immunologicaly disorders, esp ones involving the brain (retroviruses cannot cross the blood-brain barrier) stretches the imagination.
Fact: 98% of all AIDS "tests" do not test for the prescence of HIV; they test for the prescence of HIV antibodies.
Originally posted by Romeo
so when does he plan to inject himself with some tainted blood and start his "I still feel fine" diary. rofl. Utter nonsense. Move on.
- HIV fulfills Koch's postulates as the cause of AIDS.
- AIDS and HIV infection are invariably linked in time, place and population group.
- Many studies agree that only a single factor, HIV, predicts whether a person will develop AIDS.
- In cohort studies, severe immunosuppression and AIDS-defining illnesses occur almost exclusively in individuals who are HIV-infected.
- Before the appearance of HIV, AIDS-related diseases such as PCP, KS and MAC were rare in developed countries; today, they are common in HIV-infected individuals.
- In developing countries, patterns of both rare and endemic diseases have changed dramatically as HIV has spread, with a far greater toll now being exacted among the young and middle-aged, including well-educated members of the middle class.
- In studies conducted in both developing and developed countries, death rates are markedly higher among HIV-seropositive individuals than among HIV-seronegative individuals.
- HIV can be detected in virtually everyone with AIDS.
- Numerous studies of HIV-infected people have shown that high levels of infectious HIV, viral antigens, and HIV nucleic acids (DNA and RNA) in the body predict immune system deterioration and an increased risk for developing AIDS. Conversely, patients with low levels of virus have a much lower risk of developing AIDS.
- The availability of potent combinations of drugs that specifically block HIV replication has dramatically improved the prognosis for HIV-infected individuals. Such an effect would not be seen if HIV did not have a central role in causing AIDS.
- Among HIV-infected patients who receive anti-HIV therapy, those whose viral loads are driven to low levels are much less likely to develop AIDS or die than patients who do not respond to therapy. Such an effect would not be seen if HIV did not have a central role in causing AIDS.
- Nearly everyone with AIDS has antibodies to HIV.
- Numerous serosurveys show that AIDS is common in populations where many individuals have HIV antibodies. Conversely, in populations with low seroprevalence of HIV antibodies, AIDS is extremely rare.
- The specific immunologic profile that typifies AIDS - a persistently low CD4+ T-cell count - is extraordinarily rare in the absence of HIV infection or other known cause of immunosuppression.
- Newborn infants have no behavioral risk factors for AIDS, yet many children born to HIV-infected mothers have developed AIDS and died.
- The HIV-infected twin develops AIDS while the uninfected twin does not.
- Studies of transfusion-acquired AIDS cases have repeatedly led to the discovery of HIV in the patient as well as in the blood donor.
- HIV is similar in genetic structure and morphology to other lentiviruses that often cause immunodeficiency in their animal hosts in addition to slow, progressive wasting disorders, neurodegeneration and death.
- HIV causes the death and dysfunction of CD4+ T lymphocytes in vitro and in vivo.
Originally posted by mongoose
I'm just presenting what I've seen from Duesberg's Web site
it can cause "dementia" in some patients
most health care workers who are accidently infected w/ HIV (from stuck needles, etc) don't get sick w/ AIDS, unless they're already in some other high-risk group to start w/
Magic Johnson is still HIV-positive, as he has been since 1991, and he's still alive and doing well. I don't think he's on any drug cocktail.. (could be wrong, though).
The AZT group all became very ill with AIDS-like symptoms and eventually they all died. The placebo group showed no symptoms of AIDS whatsoever. The untreated group also did not show any symptoms of AIDS, but in fact noticed slight overall general health improvements which was attributed to the properly balanced diets.
This "covert" study went on for almost three years. It ended when the last AZT patient died. It was obvious that the use of the AZT played a huge role in the demise of the HIV Positive patients who were using it, since the placebo and untreated patients continued to live and thrive without it.
Duesberg's not a quack out to hurt anyone...he's a bloody genius. AZT is toxic waste and it destoys the immune system...and that's a known scientific/medical fact.
such is the power of suggestion, or so this is how i see it. in that sense, this duesberg may just be onto something. think about it.
Originally posted by AD5673
How is HIV harmless if its killed thousands if people. Thats the name of the topic.
This view gained some credibility recently among the conspiracy-minded when a contract dispute between Duesberg and co-author Bryan Ellison interrupted publication of their book, entitled Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS, a court decision that was characterized in some circles as a book-banning in the US.