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A message from 1959 that is just as pertinent now.

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Thanks for that.
It would be interesting to see the whole thing, maybe you could add a link?

Edit to add one more of his quotes


In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying.


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Sometimes the greatest messages are the most simplest ones. Russell's message is an excellent example of this. It forces us to reexamine our core values -- and an honest introspection is always a good place to start.

Nice find!



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
This is a snippet of a BBC interview of Bertrand Russell from 1959



As members here on ATS in facts simply as human beings we deal with both of his points raised in thei video on a daily basis, Bertrands first point is about intellectualism, he says that when looking for the truth of a matter you should deal only in the facts and not be diverted by what you would like to be true, or what you think would be beneficial if it were true.

Now of course that does still leave us all with the problem of deciding on what the "facts" are in the first place

The second point he makes is a moral one which concerns tolerance and love and I think his words apply even more strongly now perhaps then they did when he spoke them.

Love is wise and hatred is foolish.
It seems like a very simple, almost child like message, but it is one that everyone forgets so easily.

I hope maybe this video can help remind some people of these two very simple things because they seem to be two points that are very quickly and easily forgotten.


BR was also a eugenicist. Dont forget.

PTB player all the way.

www.schillerinstitute.org...




Unlike the misinformed honest atom scientists, the Russell of 1939 pushed to have the weapon built for exactly the motives he articulated later in the 1946 restatement of his intent. World-federalist, utopian fanatic Russell conceived of the development and use of nuclear weaponry as a trick for terrifying governments into abandoning the right to defend their sovereignties by military means. As he stated this purpose in his 1946 piece, he intended to terrify the peoples of the world into submitting to rule by a global arbiter of conflicts, to a world empire, a global, Malthusian dictatorship of the United Nations Organization.

Britain's Lord Bertrand Russell has been, beyond any reasonable doubt, the most evil public figure of the passing century. England's murdered Christopher Marlowe might have said fairly that the Thule Society's monstrous Adolf Hitler was but a picaresque rogue cast as Dr. Faustus, whereas Russell was a true Mephistopheles. Marlowe would insist upon qualifying his observation: "A truly Venetian Mephistopheles."14

Russell personally did not cause all of the evil which has proliferated throughout our planet during the past hundred-odd years, but he was one of the most influential individuals among those who did. Moreover, if one traces out the influences which caused Russell to become an evil man, one will also come to understand not only what went wrong during the Twentieth Century, but many preceding centuries before that.

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners

It would be interesting to see the whole thing, maybe you could add a link?




Here is the legendary hour long interview.
One can almost see the moment in American history when
Architects and Engineers began to loose out to sound-bites and emotionality.


David Grouchy





posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Ouch...not much to say about that!



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by davespanners
This is a snippet of a BBC interview of Bertrand Russell from 1959



As members here on ATS in facts simply as human beings we deal with both of his points raised in thei video on a daily basis, Bertrands first point is about intellectualism, he says that when looking for the truth of a matter you should deal only in the facts and not be diverted by what you would like to be true, or what you think would be beneficial if it were true.

Now of course that does still leave us all with the problem of deciding on what the "facts" are in the first place

The second point he makes is a moral one which concerns tolerance and love and I think his words apply even more strongly now perhaps then they did when he spoke them.

Love is wise and hatred is foolish.
It seems like a very simple, almost child like message, but it is one that everyone forgets so easily.

I hope maybe this video can help remind some people of these two very simple things because they seem to be two points that are very quickly and easily forgotten.


BR was also a eugenicist. Dont forget.

PTB player all the way.

www.schillerinstitute.org...


Who wasn't? Humans have flaws, that's life. Ghandi was a racist, Theresa was a narcissist, Mandela was a terrorist, MLK was a Zionist, Jesus ate fish etc etc

We're going back almost 100 hundred years. Science and free society has come on leaps and bounds. Concepts, ideas and realities we take for granted today didn't exist a century ago.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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Bertrand Russell – Illuminati Strategist
inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com...



Bertrand Russell, who was also a member of an international secret society called "Clarté", admired Adolf Hitler greatly ..... Russell said once that mass-psychology is very important for a government to be able to control its people. In 1931, October 26, he said: "There is no hope for this world outside the Soviet Union."
www.illuminati-news.com...



Bertrand Russell, Illuminati, advisor to presidents, author and population extermination guru, wrote the following in his book, The Impact of Science on Society (1953):
“At present the population of the world is increasing. . . War so far has had no great effect on this increase. . . I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others. . . If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. . . The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it.” Really high-minded people are indifferent to suffering, especially the suffering of others.”
How to fabricate a deadly pandemic out of thin air


Haven't we learned yet that nothing and no-one is ever how it appears, and
that talk is always cheap?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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"If we are going to live together, not die together, we have to learn a kind of charity and tolerance..."

Bertrand Russell was quite a guy, reminds me of Jean Vanier. ...Do we have any thinkers like this anymore? Where are they?

Thank you. S&F&



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38
Bertrand Russell – Illuminati Strategist
inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com...



Bertrand Russell, who was also a member of an international secret society called "Clarté", admired Adolf Hitler greatly ..... Russell said once that mass-psychology is very important for a government to be able to control its people. In 1931, October 26, he said: "There is no hope for this world outside the Soviet Union."
www.illuminati-news.com...



Bertrand Russell, Illuminati, advisor to presidents, author and population extermination guru, wrote the following in his book, The Impact of Science on Society (1953):
“At present the population of the world is increasing. . . War so far has had no great effect on this increase. . . I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others. . . If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. . . The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it.” Really high-minded people are indifferent to suffering, especially the suffering of others.”
How to fabricate a deadly pandemic out of thin air


Haven't we learned yet that nothing and no-one is ever how it appears, and
that talk is always cheap?


You present this information as if it's concealed and the public at large have been fooled. His views, even the most unpopular, are widely acknowledged.

However, 2 issues. 1, the illuminati doesn't exist and 2, plenty of Europeans thought highly of the Soviet Union and Hitler at the time.

So someone saying in 1931 "There is no hope for this world outside the Soviet Union." might sound unusual to you, given the anti-Soviet, anti-Communist, hell even anti-Socialist propaganda in America, but such viewpoints were very prevalent across Europe.

He also held some pretty racist views, if you want to go all out.

The point being not that these things aren't bad, but that these were different times with different attitudes and you could rubbish many people on views they've once held.

Would anyone say Gandhi was an evil man or diminish all the good he did because he was overwhelmingly racist towards Africans?

It's a slippery slope as most the great Western intellectuals were racist or had other severe flaws and viewpoints that we'd consider abhorrent. I could probably tear someone like Socrates to pieces if I wanted to go through his works and find everything he's ever thought that isn't acceptable in 2011.
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by NocturnalPhantom
So simple, yet so true. What a pity such wisdom generally falls on deaf ears.


Deaf people must be the wisest humans.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 05:22 AM
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that are some wise words right there! But Russel is not the person he seems
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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This man had good intentions in his words, and he really did hope for peace in the future...


Sadly the government couldn't take the cork off this message in a bottle.

*sigh*



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Ah yes saw this yesterday on Boing Boing. Great video and a very poignant message. His views on Christians are interesting too.

This one's quite funny, where he claims he owes his life to smoking, after a plane accident in Norway. He has an incredible dry humour.




posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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To put it simply,

I respond to your statements like this.


HORSE CRAP. Dont apologize for people that were every bit as evil as we have now.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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To this person:


Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by davespanners
This is a snippet of a BBC interview of Bertrand Russell from 1959



As members here on ATS in facts simply as human beings we deal with both of his points raised in thei video on a daily basis, Bertrands first point is about intellectualism, he says that when looking for the truth of a matter you should deal only in the facts and not be diverted by what you would like to be true, or what you think would be beneficial if it were true.

Now of course that does still leave us all with the problem of deciding on what the "facts" are in the first place

The second point he makes is a moral one which concerns tolerance and love and I think his words apply even more strongly now perhaps then they did when he spoke them.

Love is wise and hatred is foolish.
It seems like a very simple, almost child like message, but it is one that everyone forgets so easily.

I hope maybe this video can help remind some people of these two very simple things because they seem to be two points that are very quickly and easily forgotten.


BR was also a eugenicist. Dont forget.

PTB player all the way.

www.schillerinstitute.org...




Unlike the misinformed honest atom scientists, the Russell of 1939 pushed to have the weapon built for exactly the motives he articulated later in the 1946 restatement of his intent. World-federalist, utopian fanatic Russell conceived of the development and use of nuclear weaponry as a trick for terrifying governments into abandoning the right to defend their sovereignties by military means. As he stated this purpose in his 1946 piece, he intended to terrify the peoples of the world into submitting to rule by a global arbiter of conflicts, to a world empire, a global, Malthusian dictatorship of the United Nations Organization.

Britain's Lord Bertrand Russell has been, beyond any reasonable doubt, the most evil public figure of the passing century. England's murdered Christopher Marlowe might have said fairly that the Thule Society's monstrous Adolf Hitler was but a picaresque rogue cast as Dr. Faustus, whereas Russell was a true Mephistopheles. Marlowe would insist upon qualifying his observation: "A truly Venetian Mephistopheles."14

Russell personally did not cause all of the evil which has proliferated throughout our planet during the past hundred-odd years, but he was one of the most influential individuals among those who did. Moreover, if one traces out the influences which caused Russell to become an evil man, one will also come to understand not only what went wrong during the Twentieth Century, but many preceding centuries before that.

edit on 2/8/11 by felonius because: (no reason given)


and to this person:


Originally posted by pshea38
Bertrand Russell – Illuminati Strategist
inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com...



Bertrand Russell, who was also a member of an international secret society called "Clarté", admired Adolf Hitler greatly ..... Russell said once that mass-psychology is very important for a government to be able to control its people. In 1931, October 26, he said: "There is no hope for this world outside the Soviet Union."
www.illuminati-news.com...



Bertrand Russell, Illuminati, advisor to presidents, author and population extermination guru, wrote the following in his book, The Impact of Science on Society (1953):
“At present the population of the world is increasing. . . War so far has had no great effect on this increase. . . I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others. . . If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. . . The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it.” Really high-minded people are indifferent to suffering, especially the suffering of others.”
How to fabricate a deadly pandemic out of thin air


Haven't we learned yet that nothing and no-one is ever how it appears, and
that talk is always cheap?


It's not about the man speaking the words, it's about the words he's speaking.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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I disagree sorry.
This is not about the words but the man.
The words have been spoked before by many, there is nothing new under the sun.
Not to forget that when someone sleep with the "enemy" like he did, you can't stop thinking that this people had some agenda.
Some said that many people spoked highly about Hitler or the bolchevic in those days, yes... for the simple reason that people liked this regimes which where lowering the salary and increasingi productivity. This was made clear by the "Synarchy". It is all about the Capital, nothing less and nothing more.
So in retrospect what this guy said is banal for the people that mean this words and revolutionary for the people that like to play with the classes.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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I agree on the moral part, but I don't understand the intellectual part. Can someone explain about what he said about "the facts"? Because when choosing a line of study or philosophy, what makes sense to you may not make sense to others.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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He really should have said "seek the truth". Because facts by definition are the absolute truth, but facts are also constructed by man. Anyone can present "facts", you have to be the one to determine where the truth is.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Very wise fellow, all he is speaking is the truth. The intellectual message is basically saying to just look at the facts of whatever you are trying to figure out. How true that is, if people just concerned themselves with fact I bet more than 3/4 of conspiracy theories could be debunked, or proven.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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I have noticed that intelligence is more and more the subjet of the hour. For me, it is noticable mostly in movies in every country they are made from. I often think that intelligence has a certain speed to it. The slower you think, the dumber you are but the faster you think, the more cunning and brilliant you are.



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