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Are republicans without conscience or empathy?

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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Everything must evolve and change on this planet, everything.

People fear the New World Order, yeah...well you should fear the Old World Order too!

It comes down to people being afraid to advance, I guess by nature we rather hold on to what we know than move to the unknown?

Capitalism was fine for its time, and who knows, it may still be its time? Maybe we aren't ready to move beyond it? Sure seems as if! We haven't outgrown selfishness, self righteousness and judgement.

Folks, America is larger than when capitalism was flourishing. There are maybe twice as many people legally living within our borders than 100 years ago? Does it not seem logical that we have to make some adjustments and updates to our system?

Also, countries are catching up to us and beginning to claim their own resources. Though with the help of our military we're telling them they can't LOL.

A clue that it's time to move on should be that other countries are now switching to capitalism. You never want to be apart of the pack, you always want to be a step ahead. That's if being a power is your desire. As it stands, if everyone else switch to capitalism, we will no longer be cream of the crop. Those other countries have trained harder than us, thus their citizens are studs! America is like the boxer who trains in a nice, air conditioned gym, taking pictures with girls and using nice, smooth weights, while the rest of the world are boxers who are training by running up mountain sides carrying water, lifting musk ox and punching trees! We'll lose if they ever pull up even with us!

The OWO, a lot of posters on this board, are yelling that there's nothing wrong with the 8 track stereo. They want to go back to the 8 track like they had in the 70's. While the worlds technology is on the digital model. Ladies and gentlemen the world is now global rather you like it or not! And it's going to stay global and expand unless we have a world disaster. We can either catch on or get left behind.




posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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I agree with some of your thoughts. Nice post by the way.

However, I will counter with a question

I ask this question because I have worked for the state before. I was a public school teacher for 4 years.

I have seen many families live off of goverement programs and funding that others have paid for through tax money. I have seen endless amounts of families or individual continue to take social security, welfare, etc

Now I know what your saying, hes selfish. He has no concept of what they are going through.

Just the opposite. For two reasons. One I worked side by side with their children for years, and have experienced some of their hardships right along with them
Two: My family was no different. My father grew up eating rice and beans in Biloxi Mississippi. He had two shirts and two pairs of pants. A father that wasnt around and very limited oppurtunities.

He moved to the midwest with his mother, graduated, went to college, graduated, went on to obtain his masters and graduated. Was teacher for 30+ years and a business owner. He then became an elected official. Among many other achievements with local businesses and industries. He is the definition of the American dream. It can be done.

This is where I agree with you. Growing up in my family, I was taught through enough hard work and effort that anything can be accomplished. This is where my belief system was created. From my upbringing and surroundings. I truly believe that, Im currently doing that. I have had advantages in life over others. But not many, my father wouldnt allow it. lol. However, everything I have achieved has been through my own efforts, and every failure has been no ones fault but my own.

I believe there are people out there that need assistance. That need those programs to survive. And Im all for it.
What I’m not for is the encouragement of apathy. I’m also not ready to give my support to the federal government to support these programs. What program do they run that has been successful? It’s hard to think of one. This should be done through the local government and should be closely monitor and evaluated with the families progress and needs. When we all contribute, we will all be successful. I know we all can’t, and that is fine. But we need to start to eliminate the ones who can contribute from the mass that cannot. When the president and government focus more on free hand outs than actually fixing the problem and running it efficiently, then we can expect no one to succeed. I also find it hard for the top 10 percent of America earners who already pay 80% of taxes to pay anymore. Remember, these are the people who create jobs. Not all of them are caring and supportive. Some are greedy and money hungry. Regardless, they create jobs. Put people to work and contribute. When they are taxed, and taxed, and taxed, they will take their company elsewhere, or close it down all together.

Most of this may not make sense. I’m kind of rambling right now. But maybe you start to see my history and where I come from and why I believe what I believe.

We hold these truths to be self–evident,
That all men are created equal,
That they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights,
That among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
Deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.


and the pursuit of Happiness. It’s a pursuit. It’s not guaranteed in this country. There is no guarantee in life. Except for death and taxes. lol

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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Reason being, everyone is held accountable. In a capitalist society, someone who doesn't contribute is simply forgotten and stepped over....left to exist as best they can (illegal activities possibly).


What makes you think that there is no accountability in this? The option to fail is possibly the most effective incentive to give someone who refuses to help themselves. And as they already have the mentality that they deserve things that they didn't earn, chances are that they will resort to crime anyway. Do all thieves not share the same false sense of entittlement?




Yeah there isn't any real accountability. It's the reason we have so many people who aren't contributing now. The attitude is "oh well, sorry for you....gotta go to work now." We just leave them to either make it or not.

Let me destroy that "entitlement" thingy you have. A poor person or a criminal doesn't think they're entitled to anything. I've been both and I've never thought I was owed anything. I had to work for everything I got. The difference is what YOU would call work and what MYSELF would call work.

For instance a drug dealer works....just as hard as anyone else! A homeless bum works harder than a person who has a job!



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Reason being, everyone is held accountable. In a capitalist society, someone who doesn't contribute is simply forgotten and stepped over....left to exist as best they can (illegal activities possibly).


What makes you think that there is no accountability in this? The option to fail is possibly the most effective incentive to give someone who refuses to help themselves. And as they already have the mentality that they deserve things that they didn't earn, chances are that they will resort to crime anyway. Do all thieves not share the same false sense of entittlement?




Yeah there isn't any real accountability. It's the reason we have so many people who aren't contributing now. The attitude is "oh well, sorry for you....gotta go to work now." We just leave them to either make it or not.

Let me destroy that "entitlement" thingy you have. A poor person or a criminal doesn't think they're entitled to anything. I've been both and I've never thought I was owed anything. I had to work for everything I got. The difference is what YOU would call work and what MYSELF would call work.

For instance a drug dealer works....just as hard as anyone else! A homeless bum works harder than a person who has a job!


AH, the waxing of the light fantastic To sit around and philosophize the ideas of man and the individuals take on why the sky is blue. Is it blue because of how the sun, atmosphere and refraction work? Or is it blue because man has deemed it blue in their ongoing attempt to categorize everything on earth.

I am where I am in life because I have worked hard. Harder then most. I am rewarded for my hard work with a good living, and a portion taken to provide for those that don't have what I have.
It is punishment, pure and simple.
If I work even harder, to make more money, then I get punished even more.
With the Govt operating under the guise of "helping" people, no good deed goes unpunished.
Whether it be me and my hard work, the people on their own accord feeding the homeless, kids selling lemonade or organic farmers.
Once the Govt takes over, they do not allow anyone else to do it anymore.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Not all of them are caring and supportive. Some are greedy and money hungry. Regardless, they create jobs.



Yeah, like that sewing sweatshop where all those women burned up cuz the greedy employer locked the doors. Dumb employees, they shoulda brought fire extinguishers with them, help a capitalist out here, already.
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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I have to say that actually agree with everything that you just said. Yes we are competing in a global arena and yes it is time to update the system. The problem that i see in the progressive movement is that they are taking the metaphorical 8track (socialism which clearly is doomed to fail) modifying it a little and calling it the new 10track. it may be an improvement to the old model but fundementaly it still has the same issues. as far capitalism goes, it has turned mega corps into aristacratic sub-governments. and i'm not too crazy that idea either but i'm at loss as to where you would even begin to sort that out. one thing that you and i can agree on is that the broken system that we are holding onto is pulling us down and that something is going to have to change.

PS... loved the rocky analogy



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Because thats how working conditions are today. Your right. (sarcasm) There are worker condition offices run state/federally. That doesnt happen anymore. Just the opposite. With all the unions, most are treated pretty fairly.

So please take your thoughts else where.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by simone50m
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Not all of them are caring and supportive. Some are greedy and money hungry. Regardless, they create jobs.



Yeah, like that sewing sweatshop where all those women burned up cuz the greedy employer locked the doors. Dumb employees, they shoulda brought fire extinguishers with them, help a capitalist out here, already.
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I want to know where these job creators are creating these jobs. Maybe Kelly is not up on unemployment stats but it is rapidly getting to the point where without job options, regulations, and unions the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire just may get a rehash.

Kelly, who is creating jobs and where?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by simone50m
reply to post by kellynap43
 



Not all of them are caring and supportive. Some are greedy and money hungry. Regardless, they create jobs.



Yeah, like that sewing sweatshop where all those women burned up cuz the greedy employer locked the doors. Dumb employees, they shoulda brought fire extinguishers with them, help a capitalist out here, already.
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You had to go back to 1911 for that little jewel, didn't you.

I haven't seen stretching like that since Paris Hilton did that porn flick.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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I'm reminded of Affirmative Action... Like, say you have an employer where all his employees are white males... Someone from HR whispers in his ear... "Psst... I know you don't mean to be this way, but, so far you keep coming up with reasons not to hire anyone but white males... Just saying... maybe try to be open to others because it's starting to look to others like you might be racist."

And I'm thinking, whatever your stance on Affirmative Action, if this existed in political parties... A sort of watch dog to make sure political parties didn't rise up that held major prejudices against protected groups...

It seems to me in that world, someone might approach the republican party and say... "I know you don't feel this way, but it's starting to look like you hate illegals, gays, muslims, poor people, and the environment... You're beginning to give the impression of being prejudice towards everyone but yourselves and rich people... Maybe consider taking up a stance that looks like you have a heart and care about people..."

Rather than only arguing the point, do you get what I'm saying? How many groups can you be resentful toward, show no support for, while going above and beyond for the top 1%, before it starts to resemble a villain's political party?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by simone50m
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Not all of them are caring and supportive. Some are greedy and money hungry. Regardless, they create jobs.



Yeah, like that sewing sweatshop where all those women burned up cuz the greedy employer locked the doors. Dumb employees, they shoulda brought fire extinguishers with them, help a capitalist out here, already.
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You had to go back to 1911 for that little jewel, didn't you.

I haven't seen stretching like that since Paris Hilton did that porn flick.


Yeah, and yuck!!!!



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Same could be said about the democratic party. But they might say something like this to the Democratic party

Pssst.." You guys might not intend for this but it seems like you hate Christians, Succesful people, law abiding citizens, whites, job creators, and the United States of America."

Just a reminder. Unless you can back it up later, dont comment in generalizations. It makes the thread look bad and yourself.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
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Same could be said about the democratic party. But they might say something like this to the Democratic party

Pssst.." You guys might not intend for this but it seems like you hate Christians, Succesful people, law abiding citizens, whites, job creators, and the United States of America."

Just a reminder. Unless you can back it up later, dont comment in generalizations. It makes the thread look bad and yourself.



I think it's interesting that the groups you mention above could be all the same group of people.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I'm reminded of Affirmative Action... Like, say you have an employer where all his employees are white males... Someone from HR whispers in his ear... "Psst... I know you don't mean to be this way, but, so far you keep coming up with reasons not to hire anyone but white males... Just saying... maybe try to be open to others because it's starting to look to others like you might be racist."

And I'm thinking, whatever your stance on Affirmative Action, if this existed in political parties... A sort of watch dog to make sure political parties didn't rise up that held major prejudices against protected groups...

It seems to me in that world, someone might approach the republican party and say... "I know you don't feel this way, but it's starting to look like you hate illegals, gays, muslims, poor people, and the environment... You're beginning to give the impression of being prejudice towards everyone but yourselves and rich people... Maybe consider taking up a stance that looks like you have a heart and care about people..."

Rather than only arguing the point, do you get what I'm saying? How many groups can you be resentful toward, show no support for, while going above and beyond for the top 1%, before it starts to resemble a villain's political party?


Using affirmative action is a weak argument at best.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Jr.


Businesses should be run to make money for the owners and the people working there. NOT to have some socialist rainbow happy-joy employment agency.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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In every argument, the GOP proposes giving advantage to the more powerful in the equation.
Balanced out by making the naturally weaker position weaker.

It is like Wealth worship; the roots of monarchy and slavery live on in the minds of my GOP friends

"Freedom is an operation of business, nothing more nothing less!" - never mind that freedom is dictated by money (those petty details)
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I'm reminded of Affirmative Action... Like, say you have an employer where all his employees are white males... Someone from HR whispers in his ear... "Psst... I know you don't mean to be this way, but, so far you keep coming up with reasons not to hire anyone but white males... Just saying... maybe try to be open to others because it's starting to look to others like you might be racist."

And I'm thinking, whatever your stance on Affirmative Action, if this existed in political parties... A sort of watch dog to make sure political parties didn't rise up that held major prejudices against protected groups...

It seems to me in that world, someone might approach the republican party and say... "I know you don't feel this way, but it's starting to look like you hate illegals, gays, muslims, poor people, and the environment... You're beginning to give the impression of being prejudice towards everyone but yourselves and rich people... Maybe consider taking up a stance that looks like you have a heart and care about people..."

Rather than only arguing the point, do you get what I'm saying? How many groups can you be resentful toward, show no support for, while going above and beyond for the top 1%, before it starts to resemble a villain's political party?


Using affirmative action is a weak argument at best.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Jr.


Businesses should be run to make money for the owners and the people working there. NOT to have some socialist rainbow happy-joy employment agency.



In a fair world devoid of racism, I completely agree.

If children don't want to play fairly, sometimes a parental figure must step in to keep one group from beating down another.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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I asked the question "why should someone tell me how to help someone else?" you replied with, "that's what life's about."

If you want to live in some kooshy world where we're all made of stardust or whatever it is that you believe that makes us all one thing, go ahead. The fact that I don't think like that tells me that we aren't. The fact that I'm an individual tells me we're not all part of one collective, thing.
Obviously, not all, or even most, republicans think like me but the sentiment is the same. Even when you look at the bible, Jesus never said that it was Caesars job to make people help other people. It was the individual's job. If I want to be charitable to somebody, I will. If not, it's my own soul I'm damming.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Please read and respond to my first post in this forum I couldn't fill out the entire title I believe you all should read it



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Oh my god! And you see the government in the role as parent?

I guess that'll sum up this umpteen-page thread.




posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Oh my god! And you see the government in the role as parent?

I guess that'll sum up this umpteen-page thread.



I definitely see the government in a role to step in where inequality is an issue.



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