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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
And democrats contributing 50 billion less than Republicans is a what kind of sickness? Selfish? Greedy? Hypocryte?
Nice try to defend them on coming up 50 billion short with charities.
As I state, the Democrat solution is to pool everyones money and take care of the problem. If I pay my taxes to feed people, there's less stress for me to give to individuals I deem worthy.
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.
But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.
An it's the fault of the rich, huh??
In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.
The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.
Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.
Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.
But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.
An it's the fault of the rich, huh??
In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.
The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.
Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.
Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)
That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.
Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.
Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.
You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.
But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.
An it's the fault of the rich, huh??
In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.
The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.
Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.
Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)
That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.
Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Yes. You do realize that capitalism is what has made this country great, right? It's those who either feel guilty for having taken so much from the working class, or those who feel they will never have enough that promote communist values such as spreading the wealth. Fact is capitalism works, communism doesn't. Been proven time and again. Do I agree with the billionaires raping everyone's labor? No, I do not. But I am also not a proponent of stifling business based on the behavior of a select few.
I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.
Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.
You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.
Never called you personally a inconsiderate person...
Here's the deal, I appreciate that many people do not share my beliefs. Anyone who gets upset because someone points a flaw in their belief is very closed minded and in all honesty, insecure with their belief to begin with. Yet they hold on to it for whatever reason. Someone secure in their beliefs are comfortable exploring and discussing others beliefs....even open to change.
On topic of this thread...yourself and others in this discussion know and realize that your views of the poor are wrong. You just can't (for whatever reason) admit to it. Is it a stubborn clenching to teachings you've received in your life, refusing to change? I've been through that because I was taught differently than I now believe. A person must deprogram themselves from what they've been taught and then reboot themselves after careful consideration.
Deep down, we ALL know that we're all in this together. Us turning our backs on people we don't agree with or who don't believe as we do is only keeping this world separated. It's like a football team, there's always that one player who wants to do his own thing...why should he (Randy Moss) run crossing routes and slants when he's so good at the fly. Why should he be forced to conform to a "team". Well, football just like life is a TEAM. Yeah you can play for yourself...but you'll never achieve the ultimate until you admit you need to do it as a team.
Why do you think the "gods" at the tower of Babel separated man and confused our languages? Because the negative energy of this realm KNOW that united mankind will have NO limits! Yet, we have people who support this negative energy by wanting separatism and judgement. And no, I'm not religious in the least bit...all this comes from within. As I state, we all KNOW the right thing to do. We just fight it in the name of selfishness and ego.
LOL...either way it doesn't make any difference too me personally. I can go with being selfish and capitalistic or I can go with being communual. I just enjoy laughing at the people who treat this simulated board game as if its the real thing.
Originally posted by TheThirdAdam
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.
i completely agree with you here. government should have nothing to do with social issues whatsoever... it is in place to protect your personal freedom and safety, no to make sure everyone is fed and clothed, when you ask them to start providing for your everyday needs, you give them the right to tell you how to live your everyday life
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.
But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.
An it's the fault of the rich, huh??
In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.
The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.
Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.
Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)
That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.
Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?
When used in conjunction with Socialism, Communism and/or Fascism, then yes.
Originally posted by TheThirdAdam
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.
Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.
You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.
Never called you personally a inconsiderate person...
Here's the deal, I appreciate that many people do not share my beliefs. Anyone who gets upset because someone points a flaw in their belief is very closed minded and in all honesty, insecure with their belief to begin with. Yet they hold on to it for whatever reason. Someone secure in their beliefs are comfortable exploring and discussing others beliefs....even open to change.
On topic of this thread...yourself and others in this discussion know and realize that your views of the poor are wrong. You just can't (for whatever reason) admit to it. Is it a stubborn clenching to teachings you've received in your life, refusing to change? I've been through that because I was taught differently than I now believe. A person must deprogram themselves from what they've been taught and then reboot themselves after careful consideration.
Deep down, we ALL know that we're all in this together. Us turning our backs on people we don't agree with or who don't believe as we do is only keeping this world separated. It's like a football team, there's always that one player who wants to do his own thing...why should he (Randy Moss) run crossing routes and slants when he's so good at the fly. Why should he be forced to conform to a "team". Well, football just like life is a TEAM. Yeah you can play for yourself...but you'll never achieve the ultimate until you admit you need to do it as a team.
Why do you think the "gods" at the tower of Babel separated man and confused our languages? Because the negative energy of this realm KNOW that united mankind will have NO limits! Yet, we have people who support this negative energy by wanting separatism and judgement. And no, I'm not religious in the least bit...all this comes from within. As I state, we all KNOW the right thing to do. We just fight it in the name of selfishness and ego.
LOL...either way it doesn't make any difference too me personally. I can go with being selfish and capitalistic or I can go with being communual. I just enjoy laughing at the people who treat this simulated board game as if its the real thing.
first of all, nobody in their sane mind would look down on a person who is poor because that's simply the best that they could do for themselves in spite of all effort. some people just cannot get ahead in life for one reason or another. the bad image of the poor comes from the selfish dicks that do the absolute minimum and yet still have the nerve to ask for help. you are right we're in this thing together we should do our part- be a productive member of society!!! if someone is trying but just cant quite make ends meet, myself and most people would go out of there way to help... but if you mean that were all in it together and should all live comfortably no matter what we contribute even it is nothing at all, then you should pack your ideas up and move to china
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.
But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.
An it's the fault of the rich, huh??
In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.
The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.
Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.
Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.
edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)
That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.
Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?
When used in conjunction with Socialism, Communism and/or Fascism, then yes.
So you are for pure Capitalism.......are you a anarchist?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Reason being, everyone is held accountable. In a capitalist society, someone who doesn't contribute is simply forgotten and stepped over....left to exist as best they can (illegal activities possibly).