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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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I could make a thread that reads "are democrats without the ability to understand grade school math?" but someone like yourself is too ignorant and blind to even understand anything that would be in such a thread.

This is a troll thread. Plain and simple.


 
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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by kellynap43
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And democrats contributing 50 billion less than Republicans is a what kind of sickness? Selfish? Greedy? Hypocryte?

Nice try to defend them on coming up 50 billion short with charities.




As I state, the Democrat solution is to pool everyones money and take care of the problem. If I pay my taxes to feed people, there's less stress for me to give to individuals I deem worthy.



Just love the compulsory charity.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.

But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.



An it's the fault of the rich, huh??


In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.

The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.


Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.


Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.


edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)


That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.

Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.

You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.

But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.



An it's the fault of the rich, huh??


In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.

The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.


Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.


Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.


edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)


That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.




Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Yes. You do realize that capitalism is what has made this country great, right? It's those who either feel guilty for having taken so much from the working class, or those who feel they will never have enough that promote communist values such as spreading the wealth. Fact is capitalism works, communism doesn't. Been proven time and again. Do I agree with the billionaires raping everyone's labor? No, I do not. But I am also not a proponent of stifling business based on the behavior of a select few.

I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.

Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.

You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.




Never called you personally a inconsiderate person...

Here's the deal, I appreciate that many people do not share my beliefs. Anyone who gets upset because someone points a flaw in their belief is very closed minded and in all honesty, insecure with their belief to begin with. Yet they hold on to it for whatever reason. Someone secure in their beliefs are comfortable exploring and discussing others beliefs....even open to change.

On topic of this thread...yourself and others in this discussion know and realize that your views of the poor are wrong. You just can't (for whatever reason) admit to it. Is it a stubborn clenching to teachings you've received in your life, refusing to change? I've been through that because I was taught differently than I now believe. A person must deprogram themselves from what they've been taught and then reboot themselves after careful consideration.

Deep down, we ALL know that we're all in this together. Us turning our backs on people we don't agree with or who don't believe as we do is only keeping this world separated. It's like a football team, there's always that one player who wants to do his own thing...why should he (Randy Moss) run crossing routes and slants when he's so good at the fly. Why should he be forced to conform to a "team". Well, football just like life is a TEAM. Yeah you can play for yourself...but you'll never achieve the ultimate until you admit you need to do it as a team.

Why do you think the "gods" at the tower of Babel separated man and confused our languages? Because the negative energy of this realm KNOW that united mankind will have NO limits! Yet, we have people who support this negative energy by wanting separatism and judgement. And no, I'm not religious in the least bit...all this comes from within. As I state, we all KNOW the right thing to do. We just fight it in the name of selfishness and ego.

LOL...either way it doesn't make any difference too me personally. I can go with being selfish and capitalistic or I can go with being communual. I just enjoy laughing at the people who treat this simulated board game as if its the real thing.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 



I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.


i completely agree with you here. government should have nothing to do with social issues whatsoever... it is in place to protect your personal freedom and safety, no to make sure everyone is fed and clothed, when you ask them to start providing for your everyday needs, you give them the right to tell you how to live your everyday life



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.

But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.



An it's the fault of the rich, huh??


In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.

The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.


Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.


Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.


edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)


That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.




Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?


When used in conjunction with Socialism, Communism and/or Fascism, then yes.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Why is Obama/Democrats refusing to destroy the US chemical weapons stockpile by April 2012 per the Chemical Weapons Convention?

Are Democrats bent on keeping Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Why don't they create some jobs to destroy those chemical weapons....help the world destroy theirs by the Treaty deadline?


....Democrats.........



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Yes. You do realize that capitalism is what has made this country great, right? It's those who either feel guilty for having taken so much from the working class, or those who feel they will never have enough that promote communist values such as spreading the wealth. Fact is capitalism works, communism doesn't. Been proven time and again. Do I agree with the billionaires raping everyone's labor? No, I do not. But I am also not a proponent of stifling business based on the behavior of a select few.

I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.




Your heart really is in the right place! You're not a bad person at all.

Capitalism is nothing more than a economic system that has been utilized by America and has up until the last 50 years been successful. No need to worship it....it isn't next millenium, it is no longer cutting edge. To be honest, it really is primitive, but necessary for a society that isn't spiritually evolved.

Being that you're at ATS I can ask this question: Say a fleet of spaceships land and aliens greet us in the next 15 minutes, do you believe their society would be based on capitalism? Or let me attack this from the religious angle in case you are religious. If you pass and proceed to heaven, do you believe God/Jesus/Whoever will charge you for the milk and honey?

Be honest with yourself and resist the ego and self-righteousness that rose in you upon reading this...

Capitalism is an economic system that requires a winner and a loser. It promotes greed because he/she who possess the resources is king/queen. So focusing on just that aspect of it, how come so many attempt to paint it as sliced bread? They aren't honest with themselves!

Part of my deprogramming was I through to the side my ego and self-righteousness. What that does is allow me to admit when something i'm doing is wrong....even though I may enjoy it (in reality there aren't many wrong things). Champions for capitalism have a hard time admitting that the system has a severe flaw and is very separating. It allows individuals to lift themselves from poverty. It also allows those who fully embrace this life to elevate themselves above everyone else if they can capture a resource AND persuade other people/souls to HELP them distribute their idea/product in exchange pay for labor.

The problem with capitalism is that there are limited resources, and someone must be a loser. Someone must be a worker and someone must be the owner........that's slavery folks....just dressed up with a bowtie!

So yes, right now it is perhaps the best we have....only due to the fact that the selfish energy many people are infected with won't allow them to move on to a better system.

Tying this all in, capitalism has made America the great country it was, because we were willing to pillage and rape other countries resources and even put them to work for us at slave rates and conditions.

Last thing..............communism hasn't worked because it has never been properly installed. Communism has never been instituted upon a already FREE society. Everytime communism was installed, it was done so to a society that ALREADY had dictators for leaders. As a result the dictators basically said, "Everyone in the community will work together for the benefit of everyone EXCEPT for me and my favorites...we're above this. Oh, and we make the rules as we go along."

If we in America decided to install communism....if we stripped the ownership of all the companies that have ownership of our resources. We could actually pull it off. Why? Because we are a free people (well pretty much).



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.

Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.

You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.




Never called you personally a inconsiderate person...

Here's the deal, I appreciate that many people do not share my beliefs. Anyone who gets upset because someone points a flaw in their belief is very closed minded and in all honesty, insecure with their belief to begin with. Yet they hold on to it for whatever reason. Someone secure in their beliefs are comfortable exploring and discussing others beliefs....even open to change.

On topic of this thread...yourself and others in this discussion know and realize that your views of the poor are wrong. You just can't (for whatever reason) admit to it. Is it a stubborn clenching to teachings you've received in your life, refusing to change? I've been through that because I was taught differently than I now believe. A person must deprogram themselves from what they've been taught and then reboot themselves after careful consideration.

Deep down, we ALL know that we're all in this together. Us turning our backs on people we don't agree with or who don't believe as we do is only keeping this world separated. It's like a football team, there's always that one player who wants to do his own thing...why should he (Randy Moss) run crossing routes and slants when he's so good at the fly. Why should he be forced to conform to a "team". Well, football just like life is a TEAM. Yeah you can play for yourself...but you'll never achieve the ultimate until you admit you need to do it as a team.

Why do you think the "gods" at the tower of Babel separated man and confused our languages? Because the negative energy of this realm KNOW that united mankind will have NO limits! Yet, we have people who support this negative energy by wanting separatism and judgement. And no, I'm not religious in the least bit...all this comes from within. As I state, we all KNOW the right thing to do. We just fight it in the name of selfishness and ego.

LOL...either way it doesn't make any difference too me personally. I can go with being selfish and capitalistic or I can go with being communual. I just enjoy laughing at the people who treat this simulated board game as if its the real thing.


first of all, nobody in their sane mind would look down on a person who is poor because that's simply the best that they could do for themselves in spite of all effort. some people just cannot get ahead in life for one reason or another. the bad image of the poor comes from the selfish dicks that do the absolute minimum and yet still have the nerve to ask for help. you are right we're in this thing together we should do our part- be a productive member of society!!! if someone is trying but just cant quite make ends meet, myself and most people would go out of there way to help... but if you mean that were all in it together and should all live comfortably no matter what we contribute even it is nothing at all, then you should pack your ideas up and move to china



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 



I think where both sides miss the point is that us regular people (middle of the road) promote returning to the ORIGINAL Constitution, and following it LITERALLY, and not the interpreted version. This is the bottom line. Put welfare, wall street, etc on the back burner and focus on what is truly important. Returning our country to it's core values that were paid for in blood. Only then can we even begin to address other issues. Without those constitutional values and laws we will continue to falter and fight amongst ourselves. The true peoples party is the Constitutionalist.


i completely agree with you here. government should have nothing to do with social issues whatsoever... it is in place to protect your personal freedom and safety, no to make sure everyone is fed and clothed, when you ask them to start providing for your everyday needs, you give them the right to tell you how to live your everyday life




Again we like to throw the baby out with the bath water. The solution to this is as simple as stating government/society will insure no one starves and has a roof, but can not infringe upon individual rights.

See how simple that is?

The problem isn't "government". The problem is WHO we have in government and WHO we have whispering in our representatives ear. The problem is we allowed a disconnect to occur between the people and our government.

Want to fix government? All we have to do is remove the money and make it as transparent as spring water! Make it more democratic and less republic! Many love to goo goo eye at the Founding Fathers, but they were the ones who first got us into this mess. "Representatives"....yeah ok! Remember America was supposed to be the dream for wealthy land owners, not the average person.

Anytime it's necessary for you to have a "representative" there's too much room for miscommunication and abuse. How many people get screwed over by their lawyer? The need for a "representative" was the polite way of saying some people aren't worthy of voicing their opinion.

The entire Constitution would need to be rewritten...



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.

But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.



An it's the fault of the rich, huh??


In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.

The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.


Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.


Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.


edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)


That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.




Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?


When used in conjunction with Socialism, Communism and/or Fascism, then yes.




So you are for pure Capitalism.......are you a anarchist?



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by TheThirdAdam

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Yep, your right.
Clocking in with over 372 hours with Habitat for Humanity makes me such a inconsiderate person.

Hate the break the news to you dude, but just because everyone doesn’t agree with your beliefs, doesn’t make them inconsiderate. I don’t hold a grudge, or think less of someone because their, religion, creed, or politics don’t match with mine. But when they attempt to change aggressively change my beliefs either through policy or rhetoric, then I become upset. And yes, I will voice my disagreement. That is what makes this country great. We can disagree and not get punished for doing so.

You probably feel the same way. So please, give it a rest. Thanks.




Never called you personally a inconsiderate person...

Here's the deal, I appreciate that many people do not share my beliefs. Anyone who gets upset because someone points a flaw in their belief is very closed minded and in all honesty, insecure with their belief to begin with. Yet they hold on to it for whatever reason. Someone secure in their beliefs are comfortable exploring and discussing others beliefs....even open to change.

On topic of this thread...yourself and others in this discussion know and realize that your views of the poor are wrong. You just can't (for whatever reason) admit to it. Is it a stubborn clenching to teachings you've received in your life, refusing to change? I've been through that because I was taught differently than I now believe. A person must deprogram themselves from what they've been taught and then reboot themselves after careful consideration.

Deep down, we ALL know that we're all in this together. Us turning our backs on people we don't agree with or who don't believe as we do is only keeping this world separated. It's like a football team, there's always that one player who wants to do his own thing...why should he (Randy Moss) run crossing routes and slants when he's so good at the fly. Why should he be forced to conform to a "team". Well, football just like life is a TEAM. Yeah you can play for yourself...but you'll never achieve the ultimate until you admit you need to do it as a team.

Why do you think the "gods" at the tower of Babel separated man and confused our languages? Because the negative energy of this realm KNOW that united mankind will have NO limits! Yet, we have people who support this negative energy by wanting separatism and judgement. And no, I'm not religious in the least bit...all this comes from within. As I state, we all KNOW the right thing to do. We just fight it in the name of selfishness and ego.

LOL...either way it doesn't make any difference too me personally. I can go with being selfish and capitalistic or I can go with being communual. I just enjoy laughing at the people who treat this simulated board game as if its the real thing.


first of all, nobody in their sane mind would look down on a person who is poor because that's simply the best that they could do for themselves in spite of all effort. some people just cannot get ahead in life for one reason or another. the bad image of the poor comes from the selfish dicks that do the absolute minimum and yet still have the nerve to ask for help. you are right we're in this thing together we should do our part- be a productive member of society!!! if someone is trying but just cant quite make ends meet, myself and most people would go out of there way to help... but if you mean that were all in it together and should all live comfortably no matter what we contribute even it is nothing at all, then you should pack your ideas up and move to china




The only type society I've seen where everyone must contribute, is the socialist/communist model of the U.S. Army. That's right folks, if your peez is for everyone to contribute, only a communist society would insure that. Reason being, everyone is held accountable. In a capitalist society, someone who doesn't contribute is simply forgotten and stepped over....left to exist as best they can (illegal activities possibly).



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Making Sure people can eat food is Evil



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Jezus
I'm not sure what you mean by there are no classes in America.

But everyone is dependent on the government in some ways. The people who use welfare and food stamps really get the least out of government because they never acquire any assets.



An it's the fault of the rich, huh??


In some ways, but taxes are not punitive. They are a fundamental part of capitalism.

The only way the "capitalism game" can continue with competition is by taxing "the rich" the most.


Originally posted by macman
Just because they do not acquire assets, does not mean they benefit any less.


Actually it does. "The rich" benefit from and depend on "the government" much much more than anyone else.


edit on 3-8-2011 by Jezus because: (no reason given)


That is bastardizing the Capitalist Model.
And yes, Taxes are Punitive, as with a sliding scale, the become more punitive the more you earn.




Is there anything wrong with bastardizing the Capitalist model?


When used in conjunction with Socialism, Communism and/or Fascism, then yes.




So you are for pure Capitalism.......are you a anarchist?

No. And since when do we tie Capitalism to anarchist, if the person does not want the 'ism?
edit on 4-8-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Of course you are correct, in theory. But in practicality it will never work. Why? Because as long as there is someone who is perceived as having more than another, a fight will ensue. Additionally, unless the entire world participated, then there would still be a need for money and thus the cycle starts anew. The closest anyone has ever gotten to this was Hitler prior to WWII. You should read his 25 laws for the new country. If it had not been for his hatred of the Jews, and his lust for power, Germany would be the world leader right now. The state made sure everyone worked, that was able to. Those who could not were cared for by the state. Property belonged to the state. Small businesses supplied the state with the necessary products, not big corporations.

But, as history has shown us time and again, it will not last. Even the Spartans had a similar society and yet they did not survive. To aspire for us to be this utopian society is to put your faith in something no more tangible than the tooth fairy. Your energy would be better served to return our country to the glory it once was. That was when our country was truly great.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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i wonder how many people al gores home could feed or how many mouths could be fed from the cost of his jet and kerrys yachts?

yeah janky not feeding people is evil



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Reason being, everyone is held accountable. In a capitalist society, someone who doesn't contribute is simply forgotten and stepped over....left to exist as best they can (illegal activities possibly).


What makes you think that there is no accountability in this? The option to fail is possibly the most effective incentive to give someone who refuses to help themselves. And as they already have the mentality that they deserve things that they didn't earn, chances are that they will resort to crime anyway. Do all thieves not share the same false sense of entittlement?




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