Are republicans without conscience or empathy?

reply to post by MegaMind


Then what happens when you go to the hospital for medical issues in which you will have?
And when your insurance finds out why you are there?
And when your insurance decides not to cover you?
And when you cant pay?
Then hospital reports losses to the goverment?

Yes. Then the rest of us have to pay for your selfishness.

Like I said. Narrow minded

Next please.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Well I do. I mean I don't even believe in morals. Though I'm not republican, though I do come from such a household.

Too much empathy makes you weak. Too little makes you heartless. Of Course I tend to view it as simply humanity to help others. I don't actually have to feel anything to do it. Though I do feel for the poor. Problem is most people in this country aren't actually poor when they are called that. You want to see poor, go to India.

If you want my semi-republican influenced view of things that you mentioned:

War has no rules but to kill your enemy entirely through unbiased genocide.

Pure capitalism at its heart is evil, pure socialism at its heart is good. Both are bad for people because they are not able to be used long term alone.

There should be no government health care. No insurance companies for health. No Pharmaceutical companies. Simply a nationalized medical research ward funded by congress, and a fund to pay doctors and hospitals for doing their jobs.

No bailouts. I really don't care if millions lose their job if the company crashes. You screwed up, you deal with the mob you created.

Preferable, martial law in major cities for the police. Police simply cannot be trusted in large scale cities where corruption is high. More appropriate is a military jurisdiction with high paid and high trained military men and women.

Just a short run down.

reply to post by macman


Thank you for proving my point.

reply to post by kellynap43


Burn down the Insurance companies and nationalize big pharma.

You'd save so many trillions, you wouldn't have to worry about paying for a druggie.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MegaMind

 

Then what happens when you go to the hospital for medical issues in which you will have?
And when your insurance finds out why you are there?
And when your insurance decides not to cover you?
And when you cant pay?
Then hospital reports losses to the goverment?

Yes. Then the rest of us have to pay for your selfishness.

Like I said. Narrow minded

Next please.

Well I went to the hospital for minor surgery once. No insurance. My bill was $10,000. The hospital reduced it to $5,000 if I paid it immediately which I did ...

You keep wanting to make my personal choice a societal issue .... what about drinking and alcohol ..

you have proved nothing except you can't think outside your box ... go back two squares already ..

Your argument is exactly why I don't support government mandated healthcare. Next thing you know they will be telling me how to live, what to eat all for the "greater good" - you know keeping down cost and all.

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BTW I don't like hospitals, doctors or modern pill popping medicine much anyway. I don't visit the doctor. I don't have insurance. I try to take care of myself, eating good and exercise, and barring any accidents like the one I mentioned above will stay out of the hospitals and doctors care. If I do ... find me and I'll give you a penny for your share of the trouble. That is if I don't pay my own bill first.

Also contrary to what you think I rarely drink and never do drugs - not even prescribed ones - but hey thats just me its your body do whatever you want - your a big boy / gal now you get to decide.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I feel this is a very legitimate question... In fact, I wonder if it's part of the republican ideology to frown on things like conscience or empathy? Do republicans view empathy as weakness?

As someone who walks the undeclared line, I will provide you with my personal interpretation of the Republican party. Please forgive me if you are not familiar with any of the terms I use.

'Traditional' Republican and Democrat Ideology

Republicans are the psychologists. Strength comes from individuality. In order for their interpretation of society to become stronger, the Republicans create policies that center around freeing the individual. In order for a person to get an education, job, and wealth, the individual has to work for what they desire. When it comes to social programs (social security, welfare, etc...), Republicans desire a world where 'capable' people provide for themselves. If a person is below the age of retirement and has full body function, the individual is capable enough to get work, education, and wealth.

Republicans = Individual is in control over their personal destiny.

Democrats are the sociologists. Strength comes from collectivism. In order for their interpretation of society to become stronger, the Democrats create policies that center around social organization. In order for a person to get an education, job, and wealth, the individual relies on society to provide resources. When it comes to social programs (social security, welfare, etc...), Democrats want 'capable' people to rely on government assistance. If a person is below the age of retirement and has full body function, the individuals is discouraged from doing things on an individual level.

Democrats = Government is in control over an individual's destiny.

Even though both parties sound similar, they are very-very different in their view of society.

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reply to post by spiritualzombie


Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being. Someone may need to have a certain amount of empathy before they are able to feel compassion. (Thanks wiki)

Surely you understand that posting this issue in the manner in which you posted it would immediately polarize the entire thread. I scrolled page one and eleven and found nothing but partisan bickering. Congradulations.

For me, the issue is compassion. Does one consider compassion a weakness or a strength. There are supporting arguments on both sides of this question which will have no effect on answering the fundamental question when presented in a partisan manner.

Empathy can be very confusing. For those who do not experience it often it can be very frightening. The very nature of the self is that it needs defense. Without defense of the self, the self tends to dissipate. To dissolve before our very eyes. How many of us are not extensionally threatened by the thought and or fear of loosing our selves? Before asking why some people just don't get it(which your OP seems to do), you might ask yourself this.

Empathy can lead to compassion. Compassion hurts. Compassion opens the door to sorrow. In this world I would go as far as saying that compassion IS sorrow. If one offers empathy as an avenue towards cooperation, one must be reconciled with sorrow.

Empathy is not something that can be purchased at the corner five and dime. It is a capacity which needs to be ignited and nurtured within each individual, and only by individuals who find that spark within themselves.

Only through an interaction of similarities in our perspectives can one, or either, have any hope of helping the other into a broader understanding of our differences.

reply to post by MegaMind


What about the money that was dumped into the hosptial for your "injuries" and not into the free market?
What about the money that was dumped into drugs and not into the rest of the economy, retail, auto, farmers, banking, real estate, etc? Again, companies lose earnings, force layoffs, etc.
So you can try to justify drugs all you want. In the end. Its bad for everyone. Wonder how high insurance and health care would rise if drugs were legal? Again, Im sure you never thought of the cause and effect on that.

Seriously, you need to think long term. I know kind of hard. But please attempt.

Threads like this really tick me off. Why is it such a bad thing to encourage people to reach their full potential? What is wrong with wanting our fellow country men (and women for you PC folks) to contribute to our society rather than just live off of aide? How does not wanting to work so I can support someone's drug habit make me a bad person? Why should I be punished (yes, it is a punishment) because I chose a better path than someone else?

I guess it is easy for democrats to create all these social programs out of the kindness of their collective hearts and, when the SHTF, take the focus off themselves by resorting to name calling.

Sometimes, people need a hand. I doubt there are many in this country that would be unwilling to lend that hand. But, when people start to believe they are entitled to the hand out because of some "historic bias" "gender inequality" or "disenfranchisement" or whatever other asinine phrase some liberal dreams up, those helping out have every right to say enough.

Democrats and their "caring" and "progressive" nature have done more to hurt women, blacks, illegals, Hispanics, handicapped, mentally retarded, etc than any demand for those people to stand on their own two feet.

I believe that if you look at the backwards thinking of liberals you will see things more clearly as to their reasoning.

You see, when you look at their "reproductive rights" .. you will find that Democrats push abortion issues hard, instead of abstinence. If they taught abstinence they would not make so much money off of abortions. Instead they want to indoctrinate kindergartners on sex-ed (something no little kid should even have on their mind that early), they want to sexualize children's minds early on, leading to promiscuity at even earlier ages, and therefore more abortions. The hormones in foods are making females fertile at younger ages where they are not capable of understanding what's going on with their bodies or how to manage their feelings and that they have been taught to experiment with early on, then you have 8, 9, 10 yr olds going to get abortions. It's really sad what their "if it feels good, do it" agenda is leading our country.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I feel this is a very legitimate question... In fact, I wonder if it's part of the republican ideology to frown on things like conscience or empathy? Do republicans view empathy as weakness?

I ask because I see a lot of posts about liberals being lazy, or the unemployed being lazy. That needy families should be cut from the welfare they count on to survive, or that healthcare should be cut. Muslims should be killed. Illegals should be killed. Enemies should be tortured. That we should embrace Big Oil over better renewable sustainable energy. And a complete lack of care and a complete lack of responsiblity for the envionment.

I see a very cold mentality devoid of all empathy, and in fact, very resentful toward the unemployed, the poor, and the needy. Hatred and blame toward illegals, with zero empathy expressed. I see a hatred toward muslims and a patriotism toward the U.S. that even war crimes committed by the U.S. is not an issue for republicans. Things like torture are shrugged off or coldly embraced.

There is just so much coldness from Republicans on what feels like every issue... I just have to ask... Are republicans without conscience or empathy?

This really does beg the question - why are so many people STILL buying into the obvious charade that there are different political parties.

I don't know what it will take to get people to understand THEY are ALL on the same side, playing out their roles to keep up the charade for the populace - so many of whom seem only too willing to buy into their BS.

There are only TWO parties - THEM AND US.

As long as people keep buying into the Dem/Rep debate, they are doing the work of The Vermin. There's a well known saying. If you do what you've always done you'll get what you've always had.

Another saying - It's a definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

It is past time to wake up. There are NO political parties, just puppets of The Vermin all working for the same agenda, and then there is US.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MegaMind

 

What about the money that was dumped into the hosptial for your "injuries" and not into the free market?
What about the money that was dumped into drugs and not into the rest of the economy, retail, auto, farmers, banking, real estate, etc? Again, companies lose earnings, force layoffs, etc.
So you can try to justify drugs all you want. In the end. Its bad for everyone. Wonder how high insurance and health care would rise if drugs were legal? Again, Im sure you never thought of the cause and effect on that.

Seriously, you need to think long term. I know kind of hard. But please attempt.

My injuries, as you put in quotes, were from a twisted testical that cut blood flow to it. Nothing to do with drugs just crazy sex. That money THAT I PAID them went to the FOR PROFIT hospital that paid doctors and staff etc. Hardly lost into a black hole huh?

Oh and if I buy alcohol with my money somehow it is lost to the brewer forever disappearing into nothingness?

Drugs are a commodity bought and sold like any other - dealers spend that money you know.

And I got news for you that drug war hasn't stopped anyone from getting whatever they want and using it. It has caused much more harm than good - jailing non-violent offenders.

GROW UP AND THINK MAN! THINK!

reply to post by haarvik


You don't die from bad grades, you do from hunger. You get graded on how hard you work, yet people work hard and are poor. So your story is apples and oranges.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MegaMind

 

What about the money that was dumped into the hosptial for your "injuries" and not into the free market?
What about the money that was dumped into drugs and not into the rest of the economy, retail, auto, farmers, banking, real estate, etc? Again, companies lose earnings, force layoffs, etc.
So you can try to justify drugs all you want. In the end. Its bad for everyone. Wonder how high insurance and health care would rise if drugs were legal? Again, Im sure you never thought of the cause and effect on that.

Seriously, you need to think long term. I know kind of hard. But please attempt.

Could always look at Portugal for this issue, since they have decriminalised all drugs for the last decade to address a health concern

reply to post by macman

All of the guys I served with did not come from Poor families. Middle class, not poor.

My ex served during Vietnam. Draft #3. His people were high up in the Democratic party. Good friends with the Kennedys etc etc

Funny thing, the DRAFT BOARD LOST his enlistment papers for close to a YEAR and he missed actually serving in Vietnam by ONE WEEK!!!

They protect their own. In another case a couple guys ticked off the high ups and they both came back in body bags.

reply to post by earthdude


No, it is not. Just because someone works hard does not mean they know how to manage finances or knows how to get a job that pays more. Just because someone has less than me does not mean I need to give him some of what I have. It is no different. If you didn't earn it, you didn't earn it. Nothing changes that fact. Taking form those who did raise to the challenge and better themselves should not be penalized by those who did not.

Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MegaMind

 

What about the money that was dumped into the hosptial for your "injuries" and not into the free market?
What about the money that was dumped into drugs and not into the rest of the economy, retail, auto, farmers, banking, real estate, etc? Again, companies lose earnings, force layoffs, etc.
So you can try to justify drugs all you want. In the end. Its bad for everyone. Wonder how high insurance and health care would rise if drugs were legal? Again, Im sure you never thought of the cause and effect on that.

Seriously, you need to think long term. I know kind of hard. But please attempt.

My injuries, as you put in quotes, were from a twisted testical that cut blood flow to it. Nothing to do with drugs just crazy sex.

TOO MUCH INFO!!!

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MegaMind

 

What about the money that was dumped into the hosptial for your "injuries" and not into the free market?
What about the money that was dumped into drugs and not into the rest of the economy, retail, auto, farmers, banking, real estate, etc? Again, companies lose earnings, force layoffs, etc.
So you can try to justify drugs all you want. In the end. Its bad for everyone. Wonder how high insurance and health care would rise if drugs were legal? Again, Im sure you never thought of the cause and effect on that.

Seriously, you need to think long term. I know kind of hard. But please attempt.

My injuries, as you put in quotes, were from a twisted testical that cut blood flow to it. Nothing to do with drugs just crazy sex.

TOO MUCH INFO!!!

Sorry man, dude was on my case thinking that because I support the legalization of drugs I must be some sort of dope fiend.

A perfect example of labeling and group think if ever there was one.

reply to post by MegaMind


Wasnt refering to and injury in the past but the future with drug use if drugs were legal.
Just maybe, some smart guys who have a medical degree determined that drugs were real real bad for the body and said that continued use would be bad for the individual. Just maybe. But again. Talking to brick wall.

Maybe if you stoped holding your breath, you wouldnt have such a big head and your skin would'nt be so blue.


Love your statement by the way, how you dont use