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Are republicans without conscience or empathy?

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Politicians are the perfect example of the human ego out of control. They care for no one but themselves. As for supporters of Republicans, well I haven't come across that many that I like. I'm British and I seem to get on a lot better with Democrats, as they are just easier to talk to and appear more open minded. I used to use Paltalk quite a lot and you know you're in a room full of Republicans, because there's nothing but hatred and hostility projected at anyone who doesn't agree with them. Democrats on the other hand are more friendly and respectful. I'm not saying all Republicans and Democrats are like this, but it's my general consensus based on my own personal experiences.




posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
We can't even begin to debate poor/rich, have's/have not's until we fix our government.


Folks should be alarmed at the level of naivety in this coment.....or worse the level of subversion in it.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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I don't know. I think the most consistent US political people are libertarians.

You often have liberals saying that there should be a seperation between church and state and that you should not legislate morality when it comes to things they enjoy like sex and violence saturated media or drugs. But then they say go ahead and legislate morality when it comes to being generous to the poor. One could argue it's the morally correct thing to do, to have society where the rich are generous to the poor. But then they argue about their freedoms when it comes to things like making television family oriented again. So which is it, freedom or morality? Libertarians are at least consistent when they say freedoms are important. Personally, even though I believe most of society is immoral, I stand by peoples right to freedom. Let the people crawl to hell if they want.
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Doesn't matter if you have conscience or empathy,whats wrong is wrong,I don't need a feeling to tell me that,thats the worrying thing about huams,we have the power to think yet we let our emotions rule us
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It would be then agreeing on what is moral
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Undertough

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Entitlements are just a way to keep poor people poor and voting a democrat ticket. If they really wanted to help these people they could have.


Could you please explain to me the motivation to vote for a politician that is going to keep you poor and on welfare?

Gladly,
When your down and out, you will look for help. With the help of "bleeding hearts" the democrats have successfully grown their voting base by promising entitlements to the poor (and sadly the not so poor).

Now we all know that these programs help just enough to keep most of those on them from starving without trying to better themselves. So I will ask again..... If you REALLY wanted to help these people would you.......

A) Help them by making programs that grow their self esteem, help them become self sufficient and help them get a job to become productive members of society?........OR........

B) Send them a check and or foodstamps every month?

Sadly, we see that B) is the way its done now.
Why?
Because B) insures that your voting base will keep voting for the promise of "more" or at least the promise that they won't get less.
It would be much better, for all, to teach these people how to get off of these programs. They do not work and they are a form of modern day slavery.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
Gladly,
When your down and out, you will look for help. With the help of "bleeding hearts" the democrats have successfully grown their voting base by promising entitlements to the poor (and sadly the not so poor).


But you claim the Democrats only offer welfare while Republicans offer prosperity. Who is going to choose welfare over prosperity?


Now we all know that these programs help just enough to keep most of those on them from starving without trying to better themselves.

Without trying to better themselves? Can you qualify that with something? That is quite the blanket statement.


So I will ask again..... If you REALLY wanted to help these people would you.......

A) Help them by making programs that grow their self esteem, help them become self sufficient and help them get a job to become productive members of society?........OR........

B) Send them a check and or foodstamps every month?

Sadly, we see that B) is the way its done now.
Why?
Because B) insures that your voting base will keep voting for the promise of "more" or at least the promise that they won't get less.
It would be much better, for all, to teach these people how to get off of these programs. They do not work and they are a form of modern day slavery.


Actually your response makes even less sense. Are you suggesting the Republicans have absolutely NOTHING to offer at all and that is why Democrats have to choose between really helping and welfare? Think about this for a moment.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Being friendly and respectful are really not primary tools or goals nor are they much good at all in this social war that heats up more each day in this country. I dont consider a democrat no matter how respectfull or friendy to be truly either in gerneral as a matter of their natural condition of mental residency in a constant and never ending state of class-based animus. They can not even speak without first climbing upon that soap box of pontification from which they mean to rule the world.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 

DZAG
OOPS, I was just looking for your thoughts on my post in this thread.

Spiritualzombie,
I am full of compassion and empathy, mostly for bleeding heart liberals who are too blind to see that they are just tools. They are being used.
The leaders of the modern day democratic party are actually modern day slavers. And they use people like you in order to futher their own ends.
How many people do entitlement programs actually help? These programs were designed to keep the poor down, they make a very good voting base. Why would I say such a thing? If you really wanted to help people get up on their own two feet would you........
A) Set up programs to build their self esteem, teach them to be self sufficient and help them find a job where they could be productive members of society. Or...............
B) Send them money or an ebt card every month.
I have seen a lot of talk about "republican brainwashing" in this thread. I wonder what those same people call it when most poor democrats vote democratic because of these entitlement programs that keep them below poverty level. Well those that aren't living in nice brick homes and pick their checks up from the mailbox in their bmw's.
For futher details on modern day slavery in the democratic party see www.abovetopsecret.com...
Bandage the bleeding Heart, dry your eyes and wake up,
Quad


I gave the link as an insight as to why I think the democrats support these programs that don't work, not to derail the thread. Sorry OP.
Entitlements are just a way to keep poor people poor and voting a democrat ticket. If they really wanted to help these people they could have.
And most liberals know the system does not work but "hey, at least we are doing something". I find it sad though that they refuse to see they are actually hurting the poor and helping keep those who are passing these enslaving programs in office.
Quad




Gotcha...

I believe most Conservatives and Republicans have compassion, however it isn't the major emotion they have. The emotion that trumps their compassion, is judgement. Followed by self righteousness injected with justice and separatism. And i'm not trying to say this in a mean way, but rather a understanding manner.

I'll show you the emotions that Conservatives/Republicans exhibit in an example:

We (myself and you) come upon a homeless guy begging for money.

Myself: If I have it and it's on my heart, I'll give him what I can and tell him have a better day.

You: Or rather the classic Conservative........wait! X this scenario. Lets say we come upon a KNOWN bum and scam artist. We KNOW he's going to buy alcohol.

You: Or rather the Conservative/Republican will not give the guy any money because he's clearly lazy and taking advantage of peoples kindness. May tell him to get a job and stop mooching.

Myself: I may STILL give him some money even though I know he will buy a beer. I do this because I give from my heart and most importantly I'm not judgemental. It's between he and God, the consequences he will reap for his supposed laziness.

See how judgment and self righteousness is tied into the scenario? It's why I say those on the Right have a judgemental and self righteous condition. We all do to an extent, but it's prevalent in those on the Right. Nothing itches a Right persons arse, like seeing someone get something they didn't work for? Why is this? I can care less and actually cheer someone who does.

I use another example: While in the Army we had a term we used called "shamming" which is when you're supposed to be working but aren't. A person such as myself, can be working HARD while someone else is shamming, sitting down watching me, and it doesn't itch me. I may even conversate with them while I'M working. I tell them to chillout while I handle this...

Soldiers on the Right....couldn't BARE to see this happen. They do things such as run to a higher officer and report that _______ is shamming. Their view is that if THEY have to work, EVERYONE should have to work. I call it worrying about someone elses business.

Lastly, there's the separatism. Those on the Right believe in conformity. If you don't conform with them, maybe they don't want to persecute you, but they don't want you with them. They want you to stand over there so you can be "labelled" as a moocher or lazy slob....at the least.

I learned this from months of discussion concerning healthcare reform with a Conservative. I brought up that previous health insurance was socialism, to which he had only one answer. "Well, I don't mind a group of [like minded] individuals getting together and..." The key words there are "like minded". He wants his group to have conformity, so they can stand there and either laugh or shake their heads at the others. Those on the Right like separatism and conformity.

I will agree with you that some of the programs keep the poor down. Not cash assistance because it's only temporary (48 month lifetime limit) but for instance housing assistance. There's a stipulation that a persons bank account can't go over I believe it was like $500 or there would be inquiries and possible dismission from the program. So if someone receives a gift of $600 from a parent or friend, they risk getting kicked off housing assistance as if that $600 will take care of them for the rest of their life!

The problem is as I said in your thread, there's DELIBORATE sabotage built into these programs. It was placed there by individuals who didn't want the programs to work in the first place. So instead of creating a helpful, complete program, they create a "half-arse" program that's designed to fail from the start.

Do you know we have to kick thousands of people off cash assistance every year because they don't comply with program requirements? The program requires that they work 82-130 ours of community service each month in exchange for the cash assistance. The problem is they're given the cash FIRST and expected to comply. Anyone with half a brain would simply require them to perform the community service first and then get the cash.

Deliberate sabotage....



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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This image of the democrat giving the homeless squeegee guy a $10 bill
while the republican drives by and spits on him has become tiresome.

When you get down to the working class, 'common folk', I look at people as how willing they are to help out a fellow man in need. ie....Rendering aid to a motorist with a flat tire. I think a person's 'party affiliation' doesn't come in to play too much here. It's an individual personality thing. There is a significant number of conservative or 'right-leaning' individuals who will help the stranded motorist. They'd give them the shirt of their back. They're full of empathy. Likewise, a significant number of 'liberals' would do the same. My experience has taught me thus. These common folk make up the vast majority of our citizenry.

BUT...when we're talking real politics, things change. You're saying republicans have no empathy? Are you saying democrats do? Do you think Obama, Gore or Pelosi really give a damn about poor people? They don't. They're elitist snobs who LOVE living their jet-set lives of luxury. They're narcissists in the extreme. Does George Soros care about poor people? He's a 'liberal'

Liberals\democrats are as much under the yoke of soulless corporations as republicans are.
Liberals are greedy. Liberals take money from corporate polluters.
'Liberals' own factories with sweat shops.
Liberals actually use the downtrodden members of our citizenry like a tool to further their selfish agendas.
Google the richest members of congress! They're democrats! 7-8 of the top ten richest are democrats.
John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller and Mark Warner are just brimming with empathy and conscience, aren't they?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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In my homecountry, Denmark, the republicans has no power. This means every poor people have rights to income, delivered by the government. So every person has a chance, even our education, we get paid for.
Healthcare is free.

All these "services" creates a state of mind in the workers, they are lazy and overpaid.

Everything has a balance, like politic...



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537
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Decimation of the middle class?

Most "middle class" families and individuals don't even pay taxes anymore! Sure it gets taken out of their checks each week...but they get it all back, plus money that isn't even theirs at the end of the year. How is that fair again?


Me and my wife make a combined about 80-100K a year, last year we paid over 16 grand in federal income tax alone, we received about 600 bucks of that back at the end of the year. Not to mention the state, county and local income taxes that we had to pay and saw nothing of that back. And I'm sure not seeing where that money went to and what its being used for.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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ok I'll play........
Who are the ones who talk about entitlement reform the most and who are the ones trying to implement more entitlement programs?
Now....
If you are a life long recipient of welfare, would you vote for someone who wants to add to that, or someone who wants to decrease it?
So.....
Would it be less cruel to reduce the entitlements little by little or to keep adding to them until they are no longer sustainable and are just cut off in one fell swoop?

I never said republicans offer prosperity, we all know that's not the case. I was stating that those who push these entitlement programs through do so knowing that they don't really help. If they really wanted to help they could have, many times over.




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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Nope, you wrong.
Most Conservatives will give, if they want to.
Rep/Conservative do not hold majority in Judgment, as Liberals Judge as well. Case in point, the OP and thread.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Ok, here are the numbers that back up the statement that the poor vote for Democrats:

Election Demographics

now this poll is from 2006, so it's a little dated. But I think if you are really wanting to know the truth about your party, then you have to see what the true demographics are for each party. And yes, lower income is more likely to vote for a democrat than a republican.

FACT!



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Yes, Republicans want you to work for a living and pull your own weight. As long as you belong to the country they give your jobs to: CHINA!
The only reason they live here is because they know that China would take all their money away.
'No new taxes' is a republican code word for: Welfare for the rich.
Their debt plan is 100% class warfare, nothing else.
So that the nation for the bankers, of the bankers and by the bankers shall not pass from the face of the earth.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Woo-HOO, big fat STAR for you.......well said! TY
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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I'll explain why that is. Democrats use and open mind because they like to think facts don’t matter and turn a blind eye to them. Republicans use stats and figures (facts). So yes, Republicans will have a more closed mind because they go off of what is true. Opposed to what is fantasy. Hope this helps.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Republicans appear to be far more close minded and self centred compared to the democrates, if both parties were to be taken to their extreme ends, the republicans might appear to be without conscience and empathy, while the demorates, to be native and be taken advantage of by almost everyone.

The solution can usually be found somewhere in-between.

However an interesting thing to note, is that the republicans do seem more likely to take things to the extreme end.

They seem to favour absolutes ("your either with me or against me"), and seldom make any compromises, which appears hostile and less diplomatic should someone disagree with them.

Qualities which they seem to exemplify, has lead very often to anger and as a result, they tend to alienate themselves from others not like them.

The many post and expessions that are strong supporters of republicans so far do appear to reinforce this perception of them. The result is to be expected.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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And to wit, most Democrats are just like bible thumpers and Christians. Do as I say, not as I do. They are oh so quick to tell you what is right, and how to live, yet seldom practice it themselves. A perfect example is "treat they body as a temple", yet how many fat preachers and Christians do you see? "Obey the law of the land", yet how many cheat on taxes, speed, or are adulterers? At least Republicans practice what they preach. They are not hypocrites like the Democrats.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Actually its not a very legitimate question, but what the hell...liberals always have to make everything so emotionally charged,

I'm guessing by "republicans" you're lumping in conservatives, because that's what you liberals tend to do.

It has nothing to do with empathy, or cosncience, except maybe in the case of corruption/sex scandals which are more and more prevalent with both Libs and Repubes.

I honestly believe the conservative doctrine is one of cold logic. Conservatives aren't afraid to put personal "feelings" and empathy aside, and look at the realistic side of the coin.

If that doesnt make sense to you, and your liberal idealism is the only way you perceive the issues we're facing, I feel nothing but pity at the utter lack of understanding.

This country needs to grow up, we've been acting like bratty teenagers who made off with out parents credit cards for far too long.



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