Super Congress Getting Even More Super Powers In Debt Deal

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Just passed Senate ...

Senate passes historic bill tying cuts to debt deal; Obama set to sign it

Super Congress is now in effect ...

7 trillion in new debt added over the next 10 years ...
Open Letter: Why I Oppose the Debt Ceiling Compromise .. by Rand Paul

Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to "cut" $2.1 trillion, but the "cut" is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate - results in a BEST case scenario of still adding more than $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.



The Super Committee's mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt. Let's be clear: $2.1 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still more than $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue, therefore the filibuster could be rendered moot. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a "trigger" ensures that the committee will simply report its $1.2 trillion deficit reduction plan and never move to a BBA vote.


America loses again ...
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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I knew it was going to be bad when they brought in Gabrielle Gifford. You tug our emotional heart strings and we will give you every last dime. I was just as happy as everyone else that she recovered, but does her marching onto the senate floor smack of stagecraft to anyone else?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Some of the relevant points from the debt bill concerning this "joint committee" aka "super congress"

rules.house.gov... ...

Brought to a vote when the committee wants not when the senate or house leaders want.
page 65 ...

MOTION TO PROCEED.—Notwithstanding Rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, it is in order, not later than 2 days of session after the date on which a joint committee bill is reported or discharged from all committees to which it was referred, for the majority leader of the Senate or the majority leader’s designee to move to proceed to the consideration of the joint committee bill.




No Filibustering their bill.
page 66 ...

CONSIDERATION.—All points of order against the joint committee bill and against consideration of the joint committee bill are waived. Consideration of the joint committee bill and of all debatable motions and appeals in connection therewith shall not exceed a total of 30 hours which shall be divided equally between the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. A motion further to limit debate on the joint committee bill is in order, shall require an affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members duly chosen and sworn, and is not debatable. Any debatable motion or appeal is debatable for not to exceed 1 hour, to be divided equally between those favoring and those opposing the motion or appeal. All time used for consideration of the joint committee bill, including time used for quorum calls and voting, shall be counted against the total 30 hours of consideration.




And no amendments for you!
page 67 ...

(4) NO AMENDMENTS.—An amendment to the joint committee bill, or a motion to postpone, or a motion to proceed to the consideration of other business, or a motion to recommit the joint committee bill, is not in order.

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(d) AMENDMENT.—The joint committee bill shall not be subject to amendment in either the House of Representatives or the Senate.


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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You are right, we need alot of Howard Beales. Right now, it seems like Jones is the only one, and I just hope his cardiac health can withstand his passion! I'm fiscally Left-leaning, so I don't agree with everything A.J. preaches, but for some reason, I like him alot, and his show and site.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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So Huffpo says this is what Republicans want so they have more power? That is so silly. If Democrats vote for it, then they have equal liability. They need to stop lying and misrepresenting things. Huffpo is full of it to begin with. Arianna is Darth Soros evil twin.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So Huffpo says this is what Republicans want so they have more power? That is so silly. If Democrats vote for it, then they have equal liability. They need to stop lying and misrepresenting things. Huffpo is full of it to begin with. Arianna is Darth Soros evil twin.


I agree. I used them as the source to bring up the "super congress" thing. I think the parties are meant to divide and conquer period. The whole left / right paradigm serves to distract and discourage real thinking and debate. The party system is a bad idea.



However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

- GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796


He understood people, politicians and government well. It is almost a prediction as I am sure we are witnessing the very thing he warned against.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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i don't see a problem here.

now we know who needs to be
tried for high treason
and then hung even higher.

lol, perhaps anonymous will be publishing these traitors dirty details worldwide.
because make no mistake, there is dirt on this trash somewhere.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Oh, yes I understand. Thanks for clarifying. They can be a good source or pulse on things. One has to always read between the lines on a partisan site.
I agree with the Judge and others that it sounds unConstitutional to me. Republicans should not support this any more than Democrats. If Boehner supports this, it could be they are trying to force the hand of Democrats on the issue, or he has totally flaked out and caving, I'm not sure which. Maybe its just a SuperTeam of CFR from both sides who all want to see the NWO come to power fully.
Democrats have pulled a lot of stunts this admin. For instance, they snuck back in the "death panels". When amendments get snuck in at the last minute terrible things can happen.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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"This is it boys,
This is War!"

- Nena, "99 Red Balloons"

I think they'd better step back from the edge of that cliff, because a cliff edge is the wrong place to be when you're in a precarious position already, and doubly so when you're suffering vertigo from watching all the red balloons you're sending up float off to do their deeds.

Just too easy to get shoved over the edge of that cliff.

maybe the Supreme Court will strike it down before it can be used and abused, but I'm not betting on it.

Neither are all those guys who started field stripping and cleaning their squirrel rifles this very morning. I can hear the clicks. I think they've had about enough.




posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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wow..just wow

I have a hard time actually believing this..... CMON AMERICAN BROTHERS YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

Seriously i hate to admit it but everything that happens in america has an effect on the rest of the world and if 13 people have the power to prety much do whatever the hell they want with no vote etc etc with th most powerful country in the world than surely that is not a good thing....

It seems to me the USA is moving more and more towards dicatorship...



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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I propose a national march/protest.

Why is it that when Europe's housing prices go up, their citizens stop everything and protest for days?

With this super congress, the entire concept of checks and balances goes out through the window, and with it the true meaning of freedom and liberty... yet somehow we're still all just sitting here and crying about it to ourselves.

We have to stop enabling our crackheaded government and make our voices heard!



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by moosevernel
if 13 people have the power to prety much do whatever the hell they want with no vote etc etc with th most powerful country in the world than surely that is not a good thing....


Well its not that there is not going to be a vote by congress as a whole on the bills this "committee" brings forward. Its that this "committee" gets certain privileges for it's bills that no other bills get. No amendments. No Filibusters. And they get to determine when its brought forward for a vote rather than the leader of the houses.


Originally posted by moosevernel
It seems to me the USA is moving more and more towards dicatorship...


Couldn't agree more.

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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guess i misuderstood..still seems like this is a step in that general direction



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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For those in constant "We must do something!" mode.

Consider this: The time for doing something has come and passed (about 50 years ago) and what needed to be done wasn't going to happen because all of our representatives were getting filthy rich riding the gravy train. Both political parties were infiltrated at the same time by the same interest, and the sexually-repressed, thrill-starved, overweight, middle-aged, mother-fixated, flaccid, politicians were easy prey.

Since then, we have believed that we could still "do something" about this. That is an illusion. There isn't going to be that kind of solution to this mess.

The political system is diseased. Not the government, not the people, the POLITICAL system. There is only ONE party, no matter what anyone says; you are either in it, or you don't matter. (Ask Ron Paul, or Jessie Ventura how much "influence" they think they wield with their current and former peers.)

Lacking a means to eradicate or abolish the political cabal in place makes 'activism' pointless. It's like relying on the idea that we have redress to the government... when we know, in practice, we do not. We only have redress to a political party representative or appointee who may or may not even care to hear you out.

The current cabal has had decades to perfect a "continuity of governance' plan which has been kept secret since the days of Nixon. They WILL NOT relinquish power, even by popular demand. Should 200 million Americans take to the streets to demand their resignations, they would simply call us "criminals" and deal with us accordingly. If the "plan" were benign it wouldn't be secret, only the 'malignant' plans are critical to hide.

This issue and many before and since will be, in future history, be demonstrable signs of what 'went wrong' with the idea that a smart ad campaign is the reason why we vote for people. We began to accept that what makes a politician is "marketability" - opting for the glitz and charm of a 'production' rather than the content of their character.

We are not powerless, though. It's just that the idea of doing what needs to be done is beyond our programmed ability to embrace.... a simple powerful idea that doesn't even come up in hushed tones, so removed is it from the public dialog.

Uh oh.... the Rant'o'meter just spiked... I will simmer for a while until.... the upcoming thread... wherein my rant will take a more fruitful (and potentially less disruptive) form.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars

Originally posted by emaildogs
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This New Super Congress is illegitimate, and Legislation passed in this manner is Unconstitutional and Unrepresentative of the American peoples wishes.

Time to Clean the Rifles Boys


The political parties are well aware of that, and they have their lawyers and media moguls "on the job" to obfuscate that fact.

They also know that their self-aggrandizing, self-serving, and duplicitous political gamesmanship is incompatible with the way the government is supposed to function.... solution?.... "CHANGE the rules so we can do what we want to"........

Forget the rifles... just once I would like to see one of these "political leaders" face a silent crowd.... cheered on only by their glee club... while the hundreds remaining simply stare at him or her... until they stop pretending we are as stupid as they want us to be.



Yes! A blank dubious stare, that totally reflects our frustration as a people. And cut them down with laser beams from our eyes.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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Don't forget the internet.

Americans arn't going to do squat until they are disconnected from unreality.


Oh boy lets make fun of Americans for being on the internet or eating cheeseburgers just like you guys from other contries. Just incase you didnt know your on the internet right now



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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This is eerily like Starwars episode 5 where The senate gives over power to The emperor. I can just see JarJar voting on what he thinks is right oblivious to the evil that will follow.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:00 PM
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So they had their Bilderburg Group meeting in Sweeden and the recent Boheimian Grove event this year in the U.S.
Afterwards Oslo Norway incident and now this?
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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So this thread gets moved from breaking alternative news to political madness.

Never mind that this story is breaking on alternative news sites everywhere.

So everyone can now safely ignore this erosion of congressional power because according to the mods this is just politics.

Nothing to see here move along.

That's OK the American people don't want freedom anyway they want someone to take care of them perhaps an emperor would serve them better than a congress.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Now we see what this whole Debt Ceiling "crisis" was about. I have a gut feeling that THIS is what the whole point was. The goal was to establish this Super Congress, or Super Committee.

This IS a conspiracy site, right? Anyone else have this feeling?





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