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Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by jibeho
I would like to point out that I am not an Obama supporter by any means, but I think your post is absolutely ridiculous.
I dare you to show me a person who is individualist. Aside from a few exceptions, we are most certainly, and always have been, collectivist.
Belonged to any clubs? After school programs in your youth? Collectivism. Ever played sports? Collectivism. Attend religious services? Collectivism. Have a job? Collectivism. Participate in modern society in any form? Collectivism. If we were individualist, the interworkings of society, and civilization, would collapse. Trade, be it free trade or planned, is collectivist in nature. Fortune 500s are collectivist, neighborhood watch committees are collectivist. The Tea Party is collectivist.
You know why? Because self-interest is our incentive. But self-interest can only go so far in the world, and thus, cooperation with other individuals with common goals is crucial to achieve what matters to you.
If you work together with someone on anything, you're a collectivist. 'Nough said.
Originally posted by jibeho
I think we are seeing the foundation being laid for an opposing candidate to force a primary with Obama or to establish a third party that will throw off the Democrat in Chief. Just like Perot did in his day back 1992.
Mayor Ed Koch wrote an interesting article that illuminates Obama's disappointments and concludes with a suggestion of a new moderate third party which could certainly pull the voters who threw Obama a bone back in 2008. (I'm too conservative to support that :lol
The foundation is cracking
The centrists of this country — liberals with sanity like myself and so-called compassionate conservatives — together constitute a huge majority of voters. If we join together, if only for this upcoming presidential election, we could make a difference.
We could elect a president concerned about us and we could throw out a majority of the incumbents in Congress and elect people who will truly represent and promote our interests. Let’s at least try.
edit on 2-8-2011 by jibeho because: source
Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by MrXYZ
Let's just call Obama what he truly is. A collectivist.
Plain and simple. Collectivism maintains that the individual is not an end to himself, but is simply a tool to serve the ends of the group. Sounds familiar eh?? Shhh don't tell anyone.
"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations." --Barack Obama 1995
“A nation that values fairness. . .everyone pays. . .shared sacrifice. . .those who benefit most can afford to pay more. . .spending a billion dollars on tax cuts. . .spending reductions in the tax code. . .unpaid for tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires. . .the most fortunate among us" --Barack Obama April 2011 debt crisis speech