Kuhner (Washington Times): President's socialist takeover must be stopped

I'm surprised to see such blatant and extremely strong criticism of Obama in a mainstream newspaper. Kuhner launches an incredibly hard hitting verbal attack on Obama in this article, and calls for his impeachment. I don't agree with all the political points he makes, but I do agree with much of what he says and I'm delighted to see this debate taking place in the public arena at last.

Imo the timing of the article is very good too. Now is the time to be making as many people as possible aware of what's really going on, before it gets drowned out by the (corporate financed) Obamination election machine.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Here's just the first paragraph of the article:

Snip

President Obama has engaged in numerous high crimes and misdemeand tors. The Democratic majority in Congress is in peril as Americans reject his agenda. yet more must be done: Mr. Obama should be impeached.

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I can't help but think this one yet one more small step towards what has been planned and laid out for decades.
Congressman Larry McDonald said it in 1983, quoting an article from 1947..

Minute mark 2:50:

"The objective, which we can't tell the american people because they're not sophisticated enough to see the value, is that through a steady result of erosion of "New Deals" we bring the american society steadily to the left, and through a concept of benign containment we merge into the vital centers of the socialist left"..

I think we are seeing the foundation being laid for an opposing candidate to force a primary with Obama or to establish a third party that will throw off the Democrat in Chief. Just like Perot did in his day back 1992.

Mayor Ed Koch wrote an interesting article that illuminates Obama's disappointments and concludes with a suggestion of a new moderate third party which could certainly pull the voters who threw Obama a bone back in 2008. (I'm too conservative to support that :lol

The foundation is cracking

The centrists of this country — liberals with sanity like myself and so-called compassionate conservatives — together constitute a huge majority of voters. If we join together, if only for this upcoming presidential election, we could make a difference.

We could elect a president concerned about us and we could throw out a majority of the incumbents in Congress and elect people who will truly represent and promote our interests. Let’s at least try.

www.newsmax.com...

This really struck me -

If Republicans win back Congress in November, they should - and likely will - launch formal investigations into this criminal, scandal-ridden administration. Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and ranking member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has promised as much. Mr. Obama has betrayed the American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall.

Anyone have a link to this? I like Issa and think he's one of the more public-minded in our Congress. He's certainly fearless when dealing with hotshot bankers.

Maybe Obama was a Constitutional lawyer. He seems to have a knack at disregarding it.

Kuhner is a fool and obviously doesn't understand the definition of socialism. He also accuses the president of crimes without proving his point or pointing out specific laws he broke. In short, he's a partisan hack, nothing more

Having said that, I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE for someone to primary Obama. He's NOT a democrat, he's a Republican comparable to Reagan (who I know wasn't a democrat, but had similar views if you read up on it) and the WORST poker player in history...he's a sock puppet for the GOP. Just look at how many of Bush's laws and policies he's kept. He further divided the rich and poor, and continues to do so. We're still in wars, and Gitmo's still open too. In short, someone primary him.

Palin/Bachmann aren't the answer either because they're blatanly stupid and only interested in money as well.

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Impeach that leftist fraud and the teleprompter he rode in on!!!!!!!!! Then let the investigations begin....the truth cannot be hidden.

I hate to be so mean to a fellow ATS'er, but you guys are jokes.

Corporate Fascism is an actual reality ... how about we focus our attention on doing something about that problem first?

reply to post by MrXYZ


Well said, finally someone with some sense and actual knowledge of what Socialism is.

Some others in this thread are a little blind and paranoid to boot.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Kuhner is a fool and obviously doesn't understand the definition of socialism. He also accuses the president of crimes without proving his point or pointing out specific laws he broke. In short, he's a partisan hack, nothing more

Having said that, I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE for someone to primary Obama. He's NOT a democrat, he's a Republican comparable to Reagan (who I know wasn't a democrat, but had similar views if you read up on it) and the WORST poker player in history...he's a sock puppet for the GOP. Just look at how many of Bush's laws and policies he's kept. He further divided the rich and poor, and continues to do so. We're still in wars, and Gitmo's still open too. In short, someone primary him.

Palin/Bachmann aren't the answer either because they're blatanly stupid and only interested in money as well.

edit on 2-8-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

So Kuhner, according to you, doesn't prove his point and is therefore a partisan hack. You state that Palin/Bachman are blatantly stupid but you fail to prove the point. By your own definition YOU ARE A PARTISAN HACK.
You may still be suffering from Bush derangement syndrome.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Kuhner is a fool and obviously doesn't understand the definition of socialism. He also accuses the president of crimes without proving his point or pointing out specific laws he broke. In short, he's a partisan hack, nothing more

I just saw your post and found it too good to pass up.

If you want specific law that he broke...

When he signed the "Stimulus" package into law he funded what is know as Operation Gunrunner, or a myriad of other titles. Nixon signed into law what is known as "the War on Drugs". The Drug Cartels are the ones that smuggle the drugs into the country. Operation Gunrunner gave authority and funded the ATF to allow guns to "walk" across the boarder in the hands of the Drug Cartels. The Drug Cartels are, by law, an enemy of the state. Several of the weapons recovered had serial numbers that trace back to the ATF as being ATF owned. This is a blatant attempt at undermining the security of the United States of America by selling weapons to, by law, our enemy.

This is known as Treason and it is an impeachable offense. Eric Holder is on record as knowing exactly what was happening and all the politicians that signed the bill are also guilty of treason too. They are our elected officials and the excuse of "not reading the bill" will not work because as our Representatives that is their job, to pass laws of the United States of America. If they use that excuse then they are just as guilty of Treason as Eric Holder and Obama, as they should have caught the program and had it omitted as it is a clear violation of law.

The relavent law that was broken is written into the constitution and even has a whole section dedicated to Treason. I now present you with Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Selling guns to the Cartels is giving them aid, adhearing to the US's enemy, and also openly levying war against the US. As two boarder patrol agents lost their lives with guns that had serial numbers that traced back to the ATF.

The witnesses to this is everyone who voted in favor of passing the stimulus package. Even if they didn't read the bill they still agreed to what was in it by voting in favor of passing it. Their vote is admission to being a witness and possibly even meets the criteria of being a confession in Open Court as Congress is the place for citizens to air their grievances.

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Did you ever think for a moment that the reason he adopted some of these policies was because they actually protect you for one, and two, the security of America as a whole.....Quit whoring yourself with the mainstream media, and look a little deeper into this mess we have gotten ourselves into.

I do not agree with the motives behind the beginning of these wars, but the fact is......we are in the middle of this mess at the moment, and in no way should we engage in this idealism we heard from a then presidential candidate.

Wake up! Turn off your Al Gore flick, and think for yourself...........PLEASE.

Originally posted by GeoSorosReptilian

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Kuhner is a fool and obviously doesn't understand the definition of socialism. He also accuses the president of crimes without proving his point or pointing out specific laws he broke. In short, he's a partisan hack, nothing more

Having said that, I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE for someone to primary Obama. He's NOT a democrat, he's a Republican comparable to Reagan (who I know wasn't a democrat, but had similar views if you read up on it) and the WORST poker player in history...he's a sock puppet for the GOP. Just look at how many of Bush's laws and policies he's kept. He further divided the rich and poor, and continues to do so. We're still in wars, and Gitmo's still open too. In short, someone primary him.

Palin/Bachmann aren't the answer either because they're blatanly stupid and only interested in money as well.

edit on 2-8-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

So Kuhner, according to you, doesn't prove his point and is therefore a partisan hack. You state that Palin/Bachman are blatantly stupid but you fail to prove the point. By your own definition YOU ARE A PARTISAN HACK.
You may still be suffering from Bush derangement syndrome.

"If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

So essentially, she wants to turn the US into China!! Ever heard about working poors? It's not a good thing...but of course her saying that proves that she only cares about the top 1% and her corporate donors, while pretending otherwise.

Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Did you ever think for a moment that the reason he adopted some of these policies was because they actually protect you for one, and two, the security of America as a whole.....Quit whoring yourself with the mainstream media, and look a little deeper into this mess we have gotten ourselves into.

I do not agree with the motives behind the beginning of these wars, but the fact is......we are in the middle of this mess at the moment, and in no way should we engage in this idealism we heard from a then presidential candidate.

Wake up! Turn off your Al Gore flick, and think for yourself...........PLEASE.

Oh yeah, sooooooo much safer

What Obama did, in line with Bush, was to cut people's right of freedom and privacy on an EPIC scale. Warrantless wiretabs, imprisonment without representation, imprisonment without actually charging people, and the list goes on...don't get me started on water boarding, a method of interrogation (or torture) that even experts admit is 100% useless. The 911 was waterboarded over 120 times and hasn't given any helpful info...'nough said.

So I suggest it should be you who needs to read up on how they cut people's privacy and freedom, and how the gap between rich and poor (on the backs of the middle class) is being widened systematically

When he signed the "Stimulus" package into law he funded what is know as Operation Gunrunner, or a myriad of other titles. Nixon signed into law what is known as "the War on Drugs". The Drug Cartels are the ones that smuggle the drugs into the country. Operation Gunrunner gave authority and funded the ATF to allow guns to "walk" across the boarder in the hands of the Drug Cartels. The Drug Cartels are, by law, an enemy of the state. Several of the weapons recovered had serial numbers that trace back to the ATF as being ATF owned. This is a blatant attempt at undermining the security of the United States of America by selling weapons to, by law, our enemy.

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I don't think you understand Operation Gunrunner...

It's a fact that c. 90% of guns used in the drug cartel murders in Mexico come from the US. Why? Because everyone and his dog can just buy a gun and "lose it". That's why cartels are using front men to buy guns in the US, and then lose them...before shipping them over the boarder. Operation Gunrunner makes it easier for the ATF to TRACK those guns. That plan failed so far, and probably will continue to fail...but it's not as if the ATF is exporting guns to Mexican cartels

The U.S. government, primarily through ATF, ICE and Customs and Border Protection is assisting Mexico with technology, equipment and training.[87] Project Gunrunner is part of the ATF’s effort to collaborate with the Mexican authorities and its "cornerstone" has been the expansion of eTrace, a computerized system to facilitate tracing guns which were manufactured in or imported legally to the U.S.A.

LINK

This is known as Treason and it is an impeachable offense.

Which would only be the case if they were SELLING guns to the cartels...but they're not. It's a tracking system. But who cares about facts, right?

Now, you can blame the president (and I am) for making it way way way way way too easier for people to get guns...but every other president is guilty of that too. They all bend over backwards to the gun lobby...

Originally posted by mudbeed
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Well said, finally someone with some sense and actual knowledge of what Socialism is.

Some others in this thread are a little blind and paranoid to boot.

We hear: " Thats notreal socialism/ that'snot realcommunism" here from the poli-sci drop outs all the time.
Nobody cares what your finely debated armchair BOOK definition is; we;ve seen (and literally fought) the real world results of collectivism. What ever the merit in high minded collectivist ideas; throwing your power behind a huge authoritarian govt always turns out bad for the citizenry.

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your power behind a huge authoritarian govt always turns out bad for the citizenry.

First of all, every government is authoritarian...you might wanna look up that definition (do the same for socialism and communism as well, because you don't seem to really have a clue). Secondly, there's tons of governments that are more socialist than the US that are doing way way way waaaaay better than the US. Switzerland for example, or Sweden, or Norway...but who cares about facts, right?

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by 46ACE

 

your power behind a huge authoritarian govt always turns out bad for the citizenry.

First of all, every government is authoritarian...you might wanna look up that definition (do the same for socialism and communism as well, because you don't seem to really have a clue). Secondly, there's tons of governments that are more socialist than the US that are doing way way way waaaaay better than the US. Switzerland for example, or Sweden, or Norway...but who cares about facts, right?

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I see your "finely tuned, clean, white" Switzerland and raise you North Korea, N vietnam, the entire crumbling eastern European bloc; all Failed "collectivist" (communist) systems.

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And once again you demonstrate that you don't really have a clue...

You are comparing DICTATORSHIPS like North Korea with Switzerland/Sweden, really? Comon' dude, you can't be that clueless...

And the reason Eastern Europe is suffering right now is because development there pretty much stopped since the crisis. Investors are scared and stick to key cities in Europe rather than regional or lesser developed nations. Add to that the fact of worse education (the US is slowly getting to their too apparently), the still lingering after-effects of communism, and you should realize that it isn't today's socialism that causes the problem.

And before you mention Greece, the situaton's different there too. They just went bonkers and paid their workers 16 monthly salaries per year (yeah, sounds crazy...I know) which isn't socialism...it's called CORRUPTION and crazy bureaucracy

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I can't help but think this one yet one more small step towards what has been planned and laid out for decades. Congressman Larry McDonald said it in 1983, quoting an article from 1947.. Minute mark 2:50:

"The objective, which we can't tell the american people because they're not sophisticated enough to see the value, is that through a steady result of erosion of "New Deals" we bring the american society steadily to the left, and through a concept of benign containment we merge into the vital centers of the socialist left"..

Well that would have been Billary's approach - Obama seems to be tasked with going for the whole enchillada.

He is not trying to shift the country towards the left - he is trying (has) ensured it's collapse!

No doubt he thinks, so that it can be rebuilt along marxist lines and a NWO - his puppet masters probably have other ideas though.

The lack of knowledge in this thread is scary...like the guy who spoke about Operation Gunrunner without really knowing what it is.

Or people who claim Obama's a "socialist" when he cut billions in benefits while ensuring the top 1% and corporations get an even larger share. Only in fantasy land is this "socialism".

All those people complaining about "marxism" (lol) and communism should read the definitions of those words. The reason those words are being used so much is because the key audience of the media using them are mostly older people (FACT), and they kinda stopped paying attention since the end of the cold war