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posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 05:12 AM
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Do you know why they support the IRA? I have met people who have come over here from New York and they say that they know many people who support the IRA but actualy know nothing about it and those people who came over knew nothing about it either but they lived and worked in London for a few months and realised the threat that they posed with underground delays etc due to bomb scares every week - this was a couple of weeks ago and things have calmed down since then.

I understand what you are saying about America being a multi cultural society and I know it is but I dont think you necessarily get the whole feel of different cultures purely on that basis. The UK is too very multi cultural - I dont know if you have been over here but we have cultures from all over the world living here.

I went to New York last year and I must admit I loved it and cant wait to go back - it just annoys me about the attitude of some Americans I know I have stereotyped but thats the way Americans stereotype themselves in the movies etc and the way other nations are stereotyped as less significant. I suppose that's just Hollywood though.

Thanks for your comments




posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 05:19 AM
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Hey BritBitch ...

I just wanna make clear, that "america" is not just Bush. "America" didn't screw up. Bush screwed up. Blame him, not "america". Well over half the world AND "american" citizen's were against the damned war in the first place. BUSH went and started it despite all that. It's not america's fault. Hell ... we didn't even elect him as president!



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 08:52 AM
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I am not saying that Bush is America am I? Isn't America a democratic country though - surely he wouldn't be president if he hadn't been voted in??



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 08:53 AM
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By the way I think Britnitch is a bit harsh e-nonymous, grow up you twat



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 08:54 AM
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I meant britbitch



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 09:14 AM
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responding to the america is culturally diverse post

that is very true, my next door neighbor is Thai, 2 of my neighbors across the street are Indian, another one is Arab, a Mexican family is my other next door neighbor. down the street is a family of African people, there is also a huge family of Tongans that lives in my city that i went to school with all their children.

I think that tells you about the cultural diversity of America, ever met a Tongan person britchick? bet not



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 11:47 AM
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What is a Tongan - is that slang for American? haha



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 04:16 PM
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Well ... sorry about that, but your making it look like the citizen's of america are the one's to blame for this war. That's complete bullsh|t. I sure as hell had nothing to do with the war, nor will I take kindly to being blamed for it. And no ... the supreme court appointed Bush as president cuz the florida election's got botched somehow. So in essence, not a single american voted him into office.



posted on Apr, 25 2003 @ 10:12 PM
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hehe for somebody saying how American's dont know the world you certainly dont act like it with a question like that

Tonga is a Pacific Island, Tongans, are the Native peoples from that Island, Tongan is more a slang term for all Pacific Islanders, the people that refer to themselves as "Tongans" in my city are actually 2 seperate groups, one from Tonga, one from Samoa



posted on Apr, 26 2003 @ 05:26 AM
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Violence is of no use, it won't work!!!!!!!! A major change in the government can
be accomplished if only the organizations who are oppossed to the abouse of
governmental power would unite in one large organization and form a new political
party. Remember civil wars are caused when two diametrically oppossed groups face
off: pro slave vs free the slaves (American Civil), communist vs fascist (Spanish
Civil War), etc. In this scenario, the military would probably split into two factions.
Remember Robert E. Lee was a West Point Graduate and in the U. S. Army before he
became a Confederate general. But in this day and age any war similar the the American
Civil War would be devestating and most likely the rest of the world would intervene
for their own protection. Why??? Because we have nukes up the ying yang. The rest
of the world would probably be afraid one side or the other might just decide to touch
off a few nukes to eliminate the opposition (and maybe start a nuclear winter).
However it need not come to that to bring about change in the USA. All that needed to
be done, is for all the current groups opposed to current abuse of governmental power
to unite and form a new political party (cannot use the old parties, they are too
corrupt). With the combined resources of such an organization, the rest of the American
public could become informed of the truth (though the use of newspapers and TV).
Although such a political party would initially not be able to completely control
Congress with a majority, it could probably get enough seats to be able to block
legislation. This won't happen though, because it would mean that all sorts of diverse
groups would have to unite. Can you imagine a convention in which conservative
christians are in the same auditorium with the people from MUFON and representatives
from the NRA?? That's the basic problem - we who oppose government abuse are divided,
the Feds are united. Futhermore you won't find enough Americans who are willing to
stand up to federal abuse to make much of a difference.

Yours truly has been with the tax movement for several years and now will probably
go to prison because of his actions. Almost every one I have talked to over the last
few years hates the IRS, yet they file their 1040's every year. I have met guys from
the NRA who grumble about the Brady Bill and how the government is taking away their
guns. Yet these guys file a 1040 every year. How many people do you know who believe
in alien conspiracies, black projects, etc. that will not pick up a book on law or
banking. How many people do you know who have put their a** on the line as I have done
and many of my associates have done? I will tell you, very few. There is not enough
Americans with the will (balls) or knowledge to make a difference. As long as Mr. Average
American can have his house (or fancy apartment), his car, his beer, his cable TV,
his credit cards, his government subsidies there will be revolt or civil war. The
government can (and will) strip every civil right from the American people, yet there
will be no uprising as long as the average American can maintain his materialistic
life style.

By the way if you really want to resist, access www.familyguardian.tzo.com...
This site is operated by a Chris Hansen. Chris Hansen site tends to turn some
people off because Chris is a hard ove covenantionalist Christian. I have met him
a couple of times and he can be quite intense. However his site does contain a huge
amount of information concerning legal issues and government abuse of power (all well
documented). Chris Hansen has probably done more research on matters of law, banking,
and government abuse than any member ATS 2.00.
government



posted on Apr, 26 2003 @ 12:29 PM
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I would actually have to agree that Civil War is not the way and other ways must be thought through, something which i've been working on for a while anyways but haven't had alot of success at, i actually consider it my life's work, changing the system

that's not just the present govt. system, that's the govt, religious, cultural system, changing EVERYTHING

sounds difficult and far fetched but i can try? and i'm only 18 right now so i still have a pretty good amount of time to accomplish it



posted on Apr, 26 2003 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by britchick
You never hear about countries until you declare war on them. I know it is just your culture but you need to get out there and understand what is going on in the rest of the world.

Thanks


Yeah, you're not a moron. How can you say that and not feel like an idiot? We study maps in high school and take history classes to learn about different countries. Maybe you didnt attend high school.



posted on Apr, 28 2003 @ 09:09 AM
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Boys, Girls, everyone calm down. Dont fight it only makes you look bad.

Brit, I openly admit that a majority of my country is quite ignorant in many ways. Indeed, I have many posts of that nature, read them. But this does not mean that all Americans are dumb rednecks. Just as all brits are not pompous arseholes, and all french arrogant p.ricks. If you continue posting like you have, you may lose the support of those that you could call friends, so make sure to think before insulting someone with a rash statement.

Those of you who are going: "We need a militia, Yee-Haw, lets turn this into an old fasioned bloodbath" have watched one too many movies. Doing what you are saying will only lead to our villification among the international community, that which has had to deal with an alarming number of separatist terrorists like that. Because that is what you would be: Terrorist, like those in Ireland, Kosovo, Africa and the Middle East.


Education is how we need to combat the government. Not through violence but through knowledge. If the government kills us, then it will show that they are the same as china is to the falun gong and other resisters, or saddam was to revolutionaries. Or Iran is to non-muslims. I would give my life, not in a battle of tanks and guns and aircraft but in one of words, ideas and knowledge. I would do as the buddhists did to protest the corrupt South Vietnamese government. We need to show the UN and the world that America is not as free as it is purported to be, You and Me and all of us have to stand up and say "I will not accept the current government, I will not fight an imaginary war, I will not pay taxes to kill children instead of feed them." This our right, our right to our own words, to our own actions. Not the words and actions dictated to us from a demagogue. We need a real government not one that shares many things in common with Howdy Doody.

Now read my post before you reply with anger, or hate or ignorance and decide what you really want for your country.

xaos



posted on Apr, 28 2003 @ 09:11 AM
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posted on Apr, 28 2003 @ 04:01 PM
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Nice post, Xaos.



posted on Apr, 29 2003 @ 04:27 PM
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over the course of this thread, and other events, i've decided that rebellion in the streets isn't the best option, wasn't at the top of my list in the first place, but it is a last resort. the best way is to develop a politcal party that gets things DONE. instead of method, make it happen, instead of internal fighting, how about external peace. what about a philosophical and theoretical renaissance, too much today do you hear it doesn't happen like that. that's byzantine. we aren't about to face another dark age, but unfortunately the pieces fall into place, another plague, SARS, wars all round the world, terrorism, lack of things to do. economic classism. free ourselves of the class society, and become one thing, one idea, humanity. no two men should fight, just as no two men should have to worship something other than themselves for fulfillment. make the best of the life you have NOW, for in a minute, it could be lost. we don't know so make sure.



posted on Apr, 29 2003 @ 10:34 PM
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you know, anarchy wouldn't be such a bad thing for the overall society either

instead of rebellion and turning it into something else

completely destruction of the system, the ENTIRE system, worldwide

and this isn't the classic "i dont want to listen to anybody or do anything" anarchy, i mean true anarchy

order arises from chaos, maybe the best way to create a better system is the utter destruction of this system, then let a new one grow



posted on Apr, 30 2003 @ 05:12 PM
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operation IIE to commence
infiltrate schools and local institutions first, find educated people who can understand the faults in todays world, then show them. then, they can integrate into society as police officers, soldiers, political figures, and other social positions, no longer hiding in the shadows waiting for a cause, and then aid in the change from democracy to true freedom, without legislation over what we are. that is the elimination of this nation, of this worlds way of rule.



posted on Apr, 30 2003 @ 05:17 PM
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Damn, I was hoping to blast a few people.
J/k.

A violent overturn will only result in gangs, terrorists, and communists trying to take us over. So we should fight the ignorance of our government with truth and intelligence. But this would still take years of planning, and by then it might be too late.



posted on Apr, 30 2003 @ 05:41 PM
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Wow does no one here ever think anything through?

What causes civil war? CULTURAL DIFFERENCES!

And that's pretty much it when concerning Nation States.

Of course it is easy for Feudalism to have civil wars, for empires to have civil wars, but for nation states it is extremely difficult.

What allowed the first Civil War in America? The Cultural GRAND CANYON between the Rural and white South, and the multi-racial, multi-ethnic industrial north.

Today do you see any difference between LA, Chicago, and New York City?

There are really very few differences, all are packed to the brim with crime, stupidity, and minorities.

There is no where in America that is enough of its original stock to make a difference.

Nevada is one, (northern anyways), probably Idaho, Montana, most of the western states have rural populations in them that are generational, meaning they've been there for several generations.

But California and Arizona, and many of the western states also have a LOT of immigrants.

The chances of a Civil War would have to mean a sudden disdane for immigrants like never before seen.

That will never happen.




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