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Bernie Sanders on deficit/debt ceiling bill: Immoral, Grotesque, Unfair

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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Sen. Bernie Sanders today issued the following statement on why he plans to vote against a deficit-reduction deal proposed by the White House and congressional leaders:





"The wealthiest people in this country and the largest corporations who are doing phenomenally well today are not being asked to contribute one penny in shared sacrifice toward deficit reduction. On the other hand, middle-class and working families who are suffering terribly in the midst of this horrible recession are being asked to shoulder 100 percent of the human cost of lowering our deficit. This is not only grossly unfair, it is bad economic policy.

"This two-part deficit-reduction legislation is complicated, and it is impossible to predict exactly which programs will be cut and by how much because the process requires action by appropriation committees and a new super committee in months to come.

"But it is very clear that there will be devastating cuts to education, infrastructure, Head Start and child care, LIHEAP, community health centers, environmental protection, affordable housing and many, many other programs. I am also concerned that when we hear that ‘everything is on the table' in terms of what this super committee deals with it will certainly include devastating cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and veterans' needs, while protecting the interests of the wealthy and large corporations.

"This country needs deficit reduction, but we need to do it in a way that is fair and which will result in economic growth and job creation. This proposal does neither and I will oppose it."


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Make that one vote against the bill in the Senate. Sanders in an independent, but caucuses with Democrats. he has continuously blasted Obama for putting Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid on the table.

I am not surprised he's voting against the bill...he's one of the few politicians that isn't corrupted to the core and bought off by the banks and transnational corporations.
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Still cannot figure out how we were able to come up with such massive amounts of money for Wall Street when they had their time of need. This despite the fact that it was they who contributed so very much to the current mess we find ourselves in.

Now that the bills are showing up in the mail, it is everyday people who are being told they will have to bear the burden.

Good on you Senator Sanders. The number of lawmakers that seem to really look out for the middle class continues to dwindle. Bernie makes the list.

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis D. Brandeis (Supreme Court Judge)

Justice Brandeis would be proud of old Bernie.



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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid on the table.


Indeed on table. I got a feeling that it will be harder for people to qualify for disability and that those on disability will have to prove they are still disable.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Now that the bills are showing up in the mail, it is everyday people who are being told they will have to bear the burden. Good on you Senator Sanders.

The number of lawmakers that seem to really look out for the middle class continues to dwindle. Bernie makes the list.


I agree.

After seeing this, it seems to me that the Republican party certain won on this bill. Doesn't look to be a "liberal" agenda in this bill. For Cripes sakes, if Bernie Sanders won't vote for it, it can't be.

One of the last few good politicians left who isn't corrupted to the bone. If he ran for President I think he would win easily...he often says he will not....be he also believes someone should challenge Obama in a primary.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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bernie sanders is immoral grotesque and unfair

more classwarfare crap

and yeah sanders is some independent

www.opensecrets.org...

top 20 campaign donars yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

seems to me oh wait

heres another link

www.opensecrets.org...


so tell me how does someone whose spend more than hes raised have 535k on hand.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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Indeed on table. I got a feeling that it will be harder for people to qualify for disability and that those on disability will have to prove they are still disable.


Military veterans may likely be at risk as well.

As for social security, i have read, although nothing is set in stone, that benefits will be cut up to 10 percent for seniors on social security. Essentially, the older you are, the less you are going to receive....and not only that...the age at which you can withdraw will go from 65 to 67. There has already been no increase for the last 2 years in social security to keep up with inflation.

Really worried about what's going to happen. The cuts that may be coming are most likely to hurt the economy even more than it already is....and hurt those who need help the most.

It will ensure that unemployment will go up....people will have less money in their pockets to spend as well....what little they have anyway.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Click appendix C or D and will give you an idea what options Congress might have.

www.cbo.gov...



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
bernie sanders is immoral grotesque and unfair

more classwarfare crap


I like how it's only "class warfare" when the have-nots start talking about shooting back.

Why do you worship wealth, neo? What's in it for you?



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:43 PM
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THIS is the man who should be President of the United States. He is one of the few politicians I have ever seen who fights for everyone, Right, Left, Middle ....

I've been voting since Goldwater and have not seen another like him.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:45 PM
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He wanted the President to circumvent the Congress and try to use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling which would be illegal.

I'm sure he'd be the first Congressman bitching and moaning if he wanted a bill debated and the President did an end around on Congress.

Sounds very very hypocritical and unamerican to me.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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Hey neo96,

Here we go again...


I'm taking the bait. (Darn you!)


bernie sanders is immoral grotesque and unfair


How do you really feel about him? (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.)

Many out there say the same thing about Ron Paul. From what I can see, as an outsider, they are two of my favorite lawmakers. They go "against the grain" in D.C., so they must be doing something right.



and yeah sanders is some independent


I'm pretty sure he's an avowed Socialist, so seeing all those union contributions is no suprise.

Take care, just kicking the old debate in the side.

Peace.


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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everyone is free to say their piece and nothing says anyone has to agree here

dont like sanders nor his legistaltion

i like and prefer paul

everyone else is free to like whoever they want



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:54 PM
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Fair enough.

I just dig a bit of back-and-forth on ATS.

P.S. - I meant it when I said I liked Ron Paul.

P.P.S. - I meant it when I said I liked Bernie Sanders too.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Option 16 Reduce the Floor on Federal Matching Rates for Medicaid Services 41

Option 17 Consolidate and Reduce Federal Payments for Graduate Medical Education Costs at Teaching Hospitals 43

Option 18 Raise the Age of Eligibility for Medicare to 67 45

Option 19 Impose Cost Sharing for the First 20 Days of a Stay in a Skilled Nursing Facility Under Medicare 47

Option 20 Require a Copayment for Home Health Episodes Covered by Medicare 48

Option 21 Reduce Medicare Costs by Changing the Cost-Sharing Structures for Medicare and Medigap Insurance 49

Option 22 Increase the Basic Premium for Medicare Part B to 35 Percent of the Program’s Costs 51

Option 23 Reduce Medicare’s Payment Rates Across the Board in High-Spending Areas 52

Option 24 Eliminate the Critical Access Hospital, Medicare-Dependent Hospital, and Sole Community Hospital Programs in Medicare 53

Option 25 Require Manufacturers to Pay a Minimum Rebate on Drugs Covered Under Medicare Part D for Low-Income Beneficiaries 54 Retirement and Social Security

Option 26 Base Cost-of-Living Adjustments for Federal Civilian and Military Pensions and Veterans’ Benefits on an Alternative Measure of Inflation 56

Option 27 Base Social Security Cost-of-Living Adjustments on an Alternative Measure of Inflation 58

Option 28 Link Initial Social Security Benefits to Average Prices Instead of Average Earnings 60

Option 29 Raise the Earliest Eligibility Age for Social Security 62

Option 30 Raise the Full Retirement Age in Social Security 63

Option 31 Lengthen by Three Years the Computation Period for Social Security Benefits 65 Option 32 Apply the Social Security Benefit Formula to Individual Years of Earnings





posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
He wanted the President to circumvent the Congress and try to use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling which would be illegal.


No, actually, it wouldn't be. because the 14th amendment allows for exactly that. See, the thing is, if the debt ceiling isn't raised, we have to default on our debt. Basically saying "Hey, sorry y'all, we don't have the money, have a nice day." Which... well, THAT would be illegal. According the 14th amendment. Faced with such an instance, the constitution invests the president with the ability to say "Aw heyll naw" and go ahead and do what needs to be done to prevent that default.


I'm sure he'd be the first Congressman bitching and moaning if he wanted a bill debated and the President did an end around on Congress.


Maybe. But the constitution also allows for freedom of speech. Have you ever read it? it's a neat document, if a touch archaic.


Sounds very very hypocritical and unamerican to me.


Well, I'm sure you can pull any given made-up scenario and claim out of your butt and then claim it's "unamerican." Doesn't change two crucial facts, one being that your ecxample is made up and pulled out of your butt, and the second being that even if it weren't, your opinion counts for jack.

What's hypocritical is racking up trillions of debt after squandering a $13b surplus, then rallying in an attempt to default on that debt. And then if you want "unamerican" you can point out the fact that the pro-default group are on that position because they have a stated mission to demolish the president.


Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
“Well that is true, making Obama a one-term President is my single most important political goal along with every active Republican in the country"



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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so tell me how does someone whose spend more than hes raised have 535k on hand.


Good question, I ask the same thing about Ron Paul. He has $1,855,893 on hand.

www.opensecrets.org...



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Perhaps you can show me where in the 14th amendment it gives the power to the President to over-ride Congress. The purse strings are always controlled by Congress and that's consistent throughout the Constitution.

In fact, since your such an avid Constitutionalist, you will notice Section 5 of the 14th amendment which specifically states, "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Nowhere in there does it give the power to enforce this amendment to the President or ya think they might have mentioned that.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Didn't Truman use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling because congress wasn't able to do it?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:03 AM
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my major gripe with sanders is too many union donars see hes better with money

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:05 AM
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In fact, Truman never did raise the federal debt ceiling. In fact, since the nation started using the debt ceiling in 1939, Truman was the only President who didn't raise the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling was incrementally raised to the princely sum of $300 billion - hardly enough to keep Wendi Murdoch in shoes - during World War II, was reduced to $275 billion in 1945, and remained $275 billion until 1954, when Dwight David Eisenhower, or "Ike," who everyone apparently liked, was President.


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