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reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 07:31 AM by ArMaP

Originally posted by bloculaen.wikipedia.org... <<< all the popes responsible are listed here

I had already read that, but I couldn't find any reference to a "Pope issuing a law allowing the torture of men women and children and stealing their money and property", could you be more specific?

Thanks in advance.

reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 07:32 AM by ArMaP

Originally posted by pthena
Not directly, but when the Church of England broke with the Papacy in 1534, only laws deemed sufficiently different were changed.

They lost a great opportunity to show that they were different from the Catholics, I guess they really weren't that different.

reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 07:39 AM by ArMaP

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Was the Pope also responsible for that?

reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 07:43 AM by blocula

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by bloculaen.wikipedia.org... <<< all the popes responsible are listed here
I had already read that, but I couldn't find any reference to a "Pope issuing a law allowing the torture of men women and children and stealing their money and property", could you be more specific?

Thanks in advance.

one-evil.org... <<< heres one,a really swell guy,all done in the name of god...

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reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 07:48 AM by ArMaP

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That's one more case of one person going too far, even some of people on his side were against the way things were done.

PS: please do not use ALL CAPS on your posts, read this.

5) Most of all, do not use ALL CAPS in posts and thread titles.

reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 08:00 AM by ArMaP

Originally posted by blocula
one-evil.org... <<< heres one,a really swell guy,all done in the name of god...

That was obviously not in the name of god, but in the name of power and money.

Being the Pope was better than being the king, so the men that were looking for power tried to be Pope to get even more power and money.

God had nothing to do with it.

reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 09:01 AM by blocula

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by blocula
one-evil.org... <<< heres one,a really swell guy,all done in the name of god...
That was obviously not in the name of god, but in the name of power and money.

Being the Pope was better than being the king, so the men that were looking for power tried to be Pope to get even more power and money.

God had nothing to do with it.

{thanx for your comment} thats why i said "in the name of god",some of these popes walked around thinking and telling everyone that they were gods right hand man on earth,but they were obviously evil in masquerade}...i just went through all 7 pages and all 20 or more of my posts/replies in this thread and i found about 15 words or so that i used caps on...is that excessive? i may have used a lot more in other threads,its hard to remember every etiquette all the time, but i'll certainly refrain from using them in the future...

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reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 12:06 PM by pthena

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The piece I quoted said that James was interested in Protestant theology concerning witchcraft.

The overall problem is people wanting absolute control over the life and death of other people. The Papacy had that. A large element of the Protestant reformation was nationalistic desire of monarchs to have that control in their own realms rather than sharing it with the Papacy. National churches serving the national monarchs was the result.

Freedom of religion is the only way for any type of justice.

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reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 09:40 PM by blocula

heres a link that everyone should read and understand...webwitness.org.au... ...it is the truth and it is horrible and absolutely stunning...

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reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:44 AM by ArMaP

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How can you say that these specific numbers are true? First of all, they are presented as estimates, with a lower and a higher value, so they cannot be considered definitive values, just estimates, and if they are estimates then it means that the people behind those numbers couldn't get values that they considered true.

For example, the 30 years war, besides being a war between two factions and, by definition, cannot be considered as actions of just one of the factions, one estimate is between 7 and 12 millions (Wikipedia says 8 millions), for, as far as I understand it, from both sides, so it cannot be presented in the same way as the direct victims of persecution.

And I didn't saw the 100 year war listed as a cause of depopulation.

I think that there's no way of knowing how many people died, so believing some numbers instead of others is just a question of what we are inclined to believe.

PS: it may be possible to get a good idea of how many people died directly from persecution from the Catholic Church because they were (and are) very good at keeping records, we just have to find them.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:54 AM by blocula

Originally posted by blocula
heres a link that everyone should read and understand...webwitness.org.au... ...it is the truth and it is horrible and absolutely stunning...
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thanx for your comment... i put up the link to show the severity of the whole sinister situation that swept across europe for hundreds of years...no one knows how many died in ww1 or ww2 either, just estimates. but theres no doubting that huge numbers of innocent people were demonized,hunted down,tortured and killed in the most hideous ways imaginable...www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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