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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Lets burn books, museums and arts

The whole thread scream ART is CORRUPTION FOR THE MIND

Saddly some peoples here would love to see it happen.

Art is a subjective matter, its true, and its perception only lie in the eye of the beholder.

But what im reading in the thread is just plain sad and pathetic.
Yes, lets burn books and movies and ban songs to protect your kids.

Maybe you're not competents enough to actualy teach your kids what is real or not ?

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by grahag
This post is part of what I hate about society as a whole.

Does no one describe the difference between real and make-believe any more? I don't ever recall the moment i learned between the two, but I definitely have a distinction, which I don't think people are getting taught or it being ingrained into life's lessons.

Movies are make believe and even most children know the difference. Why don't you?



Let me introduce the Payne Fund Studies: developed by the Motion Picture Research Council, which was working on the development of a national policy concerning motion pictures, especially concerning children.

And some interesting conclusions showing that children DO NOT quite know the difference between reality and make-believe.




The last thing that was observed was that children of all ages tend to accept as true the things that they see in movies.





Charters felt that the most important thing learned in this study is the establishment of the fact that the attitude of children toward a social value can be measurably changed by one exposure to a picture.





The study pointed out that a parent who is sitting next to his quiet child cannot always infer that inside the child is not being affected by what is being seen on the screen. Just because a child is not vocally responding negatively to what is being seen, it does not mean that the child is not bothered by it. The study shows that scenes of danger, conflict, or tragedy produce the greatest effect on children from ages 6 to 12 years.






The last section of the study was on overall conduct of the children. They found that in studying two thousand children, one of the major influencers of the patterns of play, are films.


So let's admit, once for all, that kids do not differentiate between reality and make-believe in a movie,they are affected by what they see on the screen, and return to the subject of child actors, and if they are or not influenced by the scenes they are filming.

I personally believe they are. First, they are introduced to a world where they do not belong, to subjects like rape, murder, erotics and horror that they should not become part of their normality.I imagine that their distinction between right or wrong is very much blurred, especially when so many adults around are encouraging those abnormalities, even only as a game.
And finally, I'm sure that whatever they feel when they see the final product of their performance, is not a healthy feeling. Not one that I would want my kids to feel.

I don't enjoy horror scenes with kids, maybe because I have kids of my own and I know how vulnerable they are, and how much crap is waiting for them out there. Maybe because it's against a parent's nature to enjoy scenes like that. But for people who enjoy stuff like that, or don't see a problem with that, I only have a question: how come, when we have so much things out there to get our adrenaline rush, like sex, and porno, drugs, casinos, night clubs, extreme sports and God knows what else, how come it's not enough? Do we really need those kids involved too? Can't we just leave that one last boundary uncrossed? Aren't our kids supposed to be our most precious value to protect?
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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The last thing that was observed was that children of all ages tend to accept as true the things that they see in movies. Charters felt that the most important thing learned in this study is the establishment of the fact that the attitude of children toward a social value can be measurably changed by one exposure to a picture. The study pointed out that a parent who is sitting next to his quiet child cannot always infer that inside the child is not being affected by what is being seen on the screen. Just because a child is not vocally responding negatively to what is being seen, it does not mean that the child is not bothered by it. The study shows that scenes of danger, conflict, or tragedy produce the greatest effect on children from ages 6 to 12 years. The last section of the study was on overall conduct of the children. They found that in studying two thousand children, one of the major influencers of the patterns of play, are films.



Then maybe it mean its time for parents to actualy explain their kids movies are not real, and maybe , i say, time for thems to take their responsabilities ?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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This all started over kids "acting" in a movie, but in the following link is a music video where I don't think the kid is acting. Granted, it's not sexual, but what of the effects on this kid?

www.youtube.com...

I love this vid and song. The video wouldn't be the same without the emotion that seeing this kid scared to death envokes. I think it is art, and I honestly believe the kid got over it.

Just my opinion, take it for what you will.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousVan


Then maybe it mean its time for parents to actualy explain their kids movies are not real, and maybe , i say, time for thems to take their responsabilities ?


Maybe it's time to make your own kid, take care of it for few years and then come back and gives us some good parenting lessons?
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Our children aren't as pure as you think. Children are generally just as bad as everyone else, yet we idealize children.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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Maybe it's time to make your own kid, take care of it for few years and then come back and gives us some good parenting lessons?


When i see peoples like the ones i saw on the actual threads, it remind me how much i dont want to have kids
Its a proof of responsability

I aint gonna bring kids to life in a miserable world like the one we're living in.

Lets talk about responsabilities.
Kids are not pets you stick front movies when you're tired of thems.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousVan
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Lets talk about responsabilities.
Kids are not pets you stick front movies when you're tired of thems.




You are right. So?
We were talking actually about children playing in those movies that other kids shouldn't see. The subject of kids watching movies was brought up because everyone suppose that kids are able to differentiate between reality and make believe. They can't, at least not like we do. Something to do with the age, brain development and life experience. Talking can't really help, a careful selection of things they watch does. Yea, censorship....


If you would have kids, and observe the influence that movies has on them, even animations like Sponge Bob, you'd have known those things already.
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by spotle99
Our children aren't as pure as you think. Children are generally just as bad as everyone else, yet we idealize children.


I don't idealize them, I know they're not saints. I mean, I know in my bones, as a parent of two teenager boys.
But they're still deserve our best, as much as we can, and our protection. It comes with the package


Between the extremes of idealizing them and throwing them to the sharks of Hollywood for money, there is that middle way of a normal childhood at home, with school, games, camping nights, holidays, and the belief in Santa up to some age. When money and fame, and horror playing gets in the scene, they lose their childhood.
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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iv seen the film, but cant remember how the scene is laid out. what normally happens when they make a movie like that is the parts with the kids in is shot seperately and edited to give it the right context for the movie. the child actors involved would not have been subjected to anything violent or sexual, its just clever editing.

i could film my 2 year old running, dub the sound of gunfire over the top and cut it with a shot of someone firing a rifle, doesnt mean i filmed someone shooting at my kid



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Bobaganoosh
This all started over kids "acting" in a movie, but in the following link is a music video where I don't think the kid is acting. Granted, it's not sexual, but what of the effects on this kid?

www.youtube.com...

I love this vid and song. The video wouldn't be the same without the emotion that seeing this kid scared to death envokes. I think it is art, and I honestly believe the kid got over it.

Just my opinion, take it for what you will.


I LOVE that song, and I love that version of it. When I first saw the video, I was actually a little shocked myself over it, because I didn't think MGMT would go so far as to terrorize a kid.

I've watched interviews and outtakes, again, and it shows the kid interacting with the 'monsters' - laughing/playing, etc... MGMT has stated that the child was mostly just irritated and throwing fits, and they would film it as it happened.

Joanna Newsom, who's another of my favourite artists, plays the mother in the video. She's also stated that it's not exactly as it looks - that the child wasn't being terrorized, and mostly was just having fits and being filmed while having them.

Maybe I'm an evil bad guy, but I throw on a scary mask the odd time and jump out of closets at my nieces and nephews, and I think it's hysterical...



The Making Of Kids - I think that might shed some light on it.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Thurisaz

Originally posted by CaDreamer
if you found that disturbing watch the movie "Thirteen" its a sad commentary on society as a whole.

I get your point OP we complain about our children sexting and becoming more and more sexualized at younger and younger ages...kids idolize actors and such, they will mimic their heros... youtube booty dance and kids and prepare to


thank you. It is terrible...media has such a big influence on our kids and then they wonder about the kids behaviour...



If media has such an effect on kids, then that says something about the parents of those kids. Frankly, anyone who blames the media for kids acting badly is a bad parent.

For anyone who disagrees, then tell me how a machine can have more influence than a flesh and blood parent? But I can see why bad parents would want to find a scapegoat for their child's poor behavior. It absolves them of the blame they rightfully deserve, but are too immature to deal with. Who wouldn't want that? It's why Catholics love confession. Absolution is a way to do the crime and not get the time.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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That's awesome, thanks for the vid. I guess he was over it. Lol.

I really enjoy frightening my nieces and nephew, I remember how many times my dad did the same thing to me. No harm.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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I feel like this thread's getting very "Us vs. Them." Some people blaming parents for how kids are, others blaming the media. I think both have an impact. I recently took a class called Mass Media in Society, and believe me media has its effects. Kids are especially vulnerable to it because there's literally something in their brains that makes them not be able to distinguish the TV reality from true reality (even if you tell them!) In fact, even to adults who KNOW TV's fake, it has effects. (: I try to not take in too much MSM if I can.
And, we all know parents need to do their jobs.

More on-topic..
I think I understand now, from other's responses, how the actual filming of a child in a certain scene could be done without hurting them, but what about when they want to see the movie when it's done? Just don't let them see it I guess?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Maybe child actors are able to grasp the concept of reality vs fiction better than their peers. I mean they have to get into character and pretend to be someone else and I seriously doubt they all internalize it to the point where they cant seperate their idenity from whats on the screen. I mean when kids play house they dont actually think they are mommies and daddies they understand its game. So I would argue that maybe a child actor would have a better perspective than the average child.


 
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Bobaganoosh
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That's awesome, thanks for the vid. I guess he was over it. Lol.

I really enjoy frightening my nieces and nephew, I remember how many times my dad did the same thing to me. No harm.


Oh, yeah... My Mom used to terrorize me as a kid, to the point where I'd be hiding under the kitchen table crying - my sisters were even worse! Looking back it was all in good fun, and I'm sure the look on my face was priceless. Didn't have an effect on me at all, really. I do the same thing to my sister's kids, and you know what? More often than not, I'm still the one they come running to when they're legitimately scared, or hurt.


Originally posted by nihonjindesu08
I feel like this thread's getting very "Us vs. Them." Some people blaming parents for how kids are, others blaming the media. I think both have an impact. I recently took a class called Mass Media in Society, and believe me media has its effects. Kids are especially vulnerable to it because there's literally something in their brains that makes them not be able to distinguish the TV reality from true reality (even if you tell them!) In fact, even to adults who KNOW TV's fake, it has effects. (: I try to not take in too much MSM if I can.
And, we all know parents need to do their jobs.

More on-topic..
I think I understand now, from other's responses, how the actual filming of a child in a certain scene could be done without hurting them, but what about when they want to see the movie when it's done? Just don't let them see it I guess?


I think so, yes. Like others have stated, it's possible to film a scene with a kid that may appear to be disturbing once it's all put together, while during the actual process of filming the scene the kid has next to no idea what's even happening. I doubt the director is telling the kid "You're being raped! Scream for you life!". It's probably more along the lines of "Look over here, try and act scared", or something like that. Also, usually it's out of context. They don't start filming the first scenes on the first day, and it's not necessary for all actors in the movie to be on set at all times. So the kid comes in, does their scenes, gets paid and goes home. After the movie is wrapped up, yeah, it's up to the parents I'd say, whether or not their child is allowed to watch the movie in it's entirety.



posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by lilowl53

Originally posted by Newleague

Originally posted by lilowl53
I am not religious at all, but I still have values and undersand the basic "rules" of what is right and wrong, and I think so many MANY people today do not. So sad. You're not alone in thinking that movie was disturbing.


Please tell me, which one of the basic "rules" allows YOU to decide what others can or can not do??

Nahh, your right, lets just make a law against children in movies, and pretend that none of this stuff happens in the REAL world....

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One more Question
According to those rules, and what your are saying.
It is right to make laws against things we dont like and/or understand, dont agree on or think is to violent/or have to much nudity for others to watch (we cant decide for ourself, if we want to see the movie??) so it must be maked illegal.
It is wrong, to explain your children what it is all about, teach them about what it is they are seing in tv, so they might learn something about our world?? (Iam guessing this is because children will DIE instantly if you do any of these things? am i right?)
Please Explain to me if i have gotten anything wrong, i dont know those rules you are reffering to...
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Good Grief, I just didn't like the movie either. Just say you don't agree with me, and be done with it. I don't really care about Hollywood movies, or the actors in them. I just think care should be taken when using children in these types of movies.


I also think care should be taken when using children i movies, and I could just say i didnt agree with you.
But, YOU also think it should be illegal to use children in these kind of movies, and that it should be illegal to even make these movies, all i wanted to know, is what are your logical thoughts behind those statements??
Dont you think it would be better if the parrents took some responsibilities instead of making laws, that would give that responsibility to others?? Just take a look out in the world, and let me know how that kind of thinking has been working in our society?? We dont need more laws, YOU, I and EVERYBODY else, just have to take some responsibility to change the world to a better place, and first step, is to stop telling EVERYBODY else, what they can and cannot do...



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posted on Aug, 4 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Hollywood is getting more and more outrageous in what they portray on-screen, and they get away with it. Then we wonder why our society has gone so far down the tubes.


I just have to laugh. It isn't because of movies that society is what it is. What a cop out.





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