I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie....

1. She didn't imply that you said anyone was raped, she was just establishing the fact that no one was. Your post about having someones daughter fake a rape scene and show it to family relative prompted her response. Your comparison was absolutely inappropriate.

2. We're all arguing - because we're not agreeing - you're both captain platitudes

3. There is a huge difference between acting and actual pedophilia - we've been trying to point this out to you all along - you refuse to open your mind - we are absolutely against pedophilia - and allow me to repeat boncho ---> :bnghd:

4. No one justified or defended any pedophilia and the fact that it keeps being brought up makes me think its time for this thread to close. You ARE absolutely trying to justify your morals. You put them out there for us to see and we have a right to question them, as you question ours.

5. Acting is ok. Pedophilia is not. Pedophiles should be hung out by their entrails. You think actors should be as well? the producers? really?

6. You're labeling. If you do your research, most of the children who turn out badly in the movie industry, BLAME THEIR PARENTS

7. Pedophiles DO NOT do what "these hollywood weirdos" do. We can't understand why you can't separate the two.

Here's hoping you can follow this. I have BBcode issues when I try to quote so much. Good luck

reply to post by Forevever


You forgot

8/ hardhats are required near heavy machineries.

reply to post by Charmed707


The movie industry is held to the same standards, and probably even more stringent scrutiny of them than your "average joe".

You say that the actor heavily kissed a child (I haven't seen that movie, so can’t judge that particular scene), but what do you actually see? Full head side on shots of the two actors tongue battling? I very much doubt it.

More likely it was a range of very carefully planned shots, where it is unlikely that their lips even touched. If you see lips touching out of context from the whole heads, than most likely it was adult actors kissing, edited in with a range of footage to give you the impression that they kissed heavily... and it seems they succeeded... from your reaction to it.

That is the point of movies...

;-j
Cheers

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
reply to post by Forevever

 

You forgot

8/ hardhats are required near heavy machineries.

sorry I thought it was obvious from the sign

Originally posted by Forevever

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
reply to post by Forevever

 

You forgot

8/ hardhats are required near heavy machineries.

sorry

I thought it was obvious from the sign

I think we can forego the hardhats for some scenarios, in the hopeful event of a happy accident...



...sorry... couldn't resist...

reply to post by Thurisaz

You should see a movie called "Gummo".

Why do you watch movies? I have found that people who watch movies have no real purpose in life, you are a zombie - you go with the flow. Movies are warping your/our perception of reality - its a social norm - Movies keep your mind asleep - leaves no room to wonder inside your self -

P.S. I dont care what you have to say, I am right, I see things much more clear.

I say this, go draw, create - no one creates anymore most sheep just consume -

reply to post by wearedust


In fact, I draw, 3D model, animate, create movies, teach, sit in quiet contemplation.. and watch movies as research and entertainment... they are all important aspects of my life...

reply to post by wearedust


I believe everything has a place in life.

Even the "colorful and mindless"

I love my movies!!!! don't touch'm!!!!!!

reply to post by grahag

This post is part of what I hate about society as a whole. Does no one describe the difference between real and make-believe any more? I don't ever recall the moment i learned between the two, but I definitely have a distinction, which I don't think people are getting taught or it being ingrained into life's lessons. Movies are make believe and even most children know the difference. Why don't you?

This post is part of what I hate about society as a whole.

There are too many people in society who still believe repeated audio and visual imagery depicting humanity's most vile behavior does not have a lasting effect on kids. It's hard to believe that people can be so naive.

But, hey, parents....before you sit down to watch "Saw IV" with your kids, make sure you tell them it's make believe, not real. That way, you can feel you've fulfilled your parental duties.

i get it, really.

but money is king. if you had the chance to make $250,000 to put your 6 year old in a movie with some adult themes, would you do it?

kids only partially grasp what is going on. usually these child actors realize they are doing pretend play, so i say go go go .... lets get paid.

reply to post by roshambo

but money is king. if you had the chance to make $250,000 to put your 6 year old in a movie with some adult themes, would you do it? kids only partially grasp what is going on. usually these child actors realize they are doing pretend play,

No, I wouldn't do it.

How do you know what these child actors are grasping and what they realize?

so i say go go go .... lets get paid.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Billy Ray Cyrus....

Originally posted by highpriestess
wow. i am actually FLATTERED that you needed to pick my post apart line by line just to attempt to validate your point (which you did not, by the way)

It's called responding in a coherent, organized manner. Do you even know how to reply to and quote a post?

no, i am defending them because they are not pedophiliac at all.

A mock-rape scene of a child most certainly is pedophiliac in nature, despite what the intention is.

in the butterfly effect, the topic of this thread, the focal point of the film was NOT pervy acts towards children.

The OP clearly stated there was a sexual abuse scene and the topic is not merely the Butterfly Effect, but these adult themes involving children in movies.

like i said, comparing this film to kiddie porn is like comparing Picasso's La Vie to a Jenna Jameson flick.

I said nothing about the Butterfly Effect as I have not seen it.

ETA: i have never once mentioned money or anyone getting paid. i have only spoken about the environment of the filming - in a studio on a set as opposed to averages joe's windowless van as you keep implying.

The enviornment doesn't matter. Average people can film similar scenes in their homes with parents present and STILL be considered perverts, unlike the Hollyweird film-makers.

reply to post by NightGypsy


I did, and my kids are awesome

And we do SAW marathons everytime a new one comes out.

They're 17 and 19 years old and I'm still waiting for the terrible 2's


People kept telling me "oh just wait till they're teenagers" - well I'm about out of the teen years now - WHERE IS THE PROBLEM?

reply to post by NightGypsy


i watched scary movies, etc as a kid. we used to have slumber parties and watch scary movies and tell ghost stories and scare the crap out of eachother. what's the big deal?

i have grown children and a grandchild. nobody is in therapy, nobody has climbed a clocktower. i think we're good. people who think that we should be part of some collective and be told what we can and cant let our kids see or do are what's wrong with society.

funny thing is... the second someone finally finds that one thing that strips your individuality from you and tries to dictate/mandate something YOU personally enjoy, all the sudden your story will change about what's wrong with society.

reply to post by NightGypsy


Actually I enjoyed the original Saw more...

But seriously, there are ratings, judged by panels of professionals to help people decide what is appropriate for children to watch... and yes, usually children younger than the ratings do understand that movies are make believe… it really comes down to a judgement call of the parents (even taking into account that many adults have poor judgement).

I remember being taught about the Australian artist Mike Parr (with photos and all) in 7th grade, where he chopped his arm off in front of group of people. He did happen to be a 1 armed performance artist, but the impact of the performance had people losing their guts... lol... a classic story!

I got the idea of the "artwork" and I loved it back then, and still do... kids aren’t as fragile as people in this thread are trying to make out.

reply to post by Charmed707


in one post you say you never said a rape scene and now in this post you say "A mock-rape scene of a child most certainly is pedophiliac in nature, despite what the intention is." - make up your mind and get back with me about WHAT your argument actually is. you're giving me whiplash.


again with the line by line post shred reply... yes, it DOES flatter me. tells me that you are grasping for arguments for your very weak case, so much so that you can't reply to the "big picture" or the total concept of my point, but rather have to fall back to semantics and finds something wrong with every. single. line. of. my. post.

it's like having a fan. i must be a total rock star from mars. winning!

ETA: "I said nothing about the Butterfly Effect as I have not seen it. " please see the original post in this thread as that is the movie we have been discussing the entire thread.

"The enviornment doesn't matter. Average people can film similar scenes in their homes with parents present and STILL be considered perverts, unlike the Hollyweird film-makers." - untrue. two words. Roman Polanski.

reply to post by boncho


I have to agree with you here mate as someone whos worked on televisin and movie shots generally the kids are not involved in these scenes and are just edited in later !! I'm not sure about other countries but here in australia when cjildren are on set they film studio has someone from child protective services there the entire time watching making sure laws are followed !

I'm not saying however that this makes kids watching or being in theze movies ok but lets not over dramatise things. At the end of the day kids only get to watch what their parents let them !

Originally posted by highpriestess

in one post you say you never said a rape scene and now in this post you say "A mock-rape scene of a child most certainly is pedophiliac in nature, despite what the intention is."

What is your problem? You responded to me with "no one was raped and you know it", saying that I said someone was raped. An actual rape is not the same thing as a rape scene. Know what you're saying before spouting off.

tells me that you are grasping for arguments for your very weak case, so much so that you can't reply to the "big picture" or the total concept of my point, but rather have to fall back to semantics and finds something wrong with every. single. line. of. my. post.

This particular talking point is THE most idiotic thing I've ever read on ATS...and that's saying something. Dodging points as if they don't exist does not in any way do you any favors in defending your argument. Responding to each of your individual points is not simply "finding something wrong" with each sentence. Do you even think about what you're saying before responding? All you have done is baselessly imply some sort of perverse character on my part. You don't debate- you use childish smear tactics.