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I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie....

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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thank you! you explained it so much better than I could. When I get upset I find it hard to state how I am feeling...but the last paragraph in particular is Gold!! I wish I could give you a star. Thank you !


Yes, Grahag. I do get that this is a movie. I totally understand that Superman can't actually fly and that Spiderman isn't actually part spider. But the children who are reading these lines, acting the scenes, and being shown in such violent and sexually suggestive movies are actually real children. They are actually learning the lines and saying the words.

After a good nights sleep I realize that I let my feelings get in the way and my original response was not well thought out. I am a mom and I was angry about the apathy with which some people in this thread seem to view these childrens' innocence.


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Hollywood is getting more and more outrageous in what they portray on-screen, and they get away with it. Then we wonder why our society has gone so far down the tubes.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Thurisaz
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thx for the link. I am having a look at it now.


Originally posted by boncho
Do you know 100 percent that it was a nicotine cigarette they were smoking, or did it just look like one? I wasn't involved in the production so I don't know, but I do know dummy cigarettes are used for kids in movies.


When you watch a movie do you think of things like that? Is the smoke real or not? Is the naked child really naked being filmed? Is the naked child that is acting out or simulating a scene really doing that????

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I certainly think of things like that before I work myself up into a tizzy. Things on the screen are not always exactly as they appear.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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make no mistake, i am a mom as well... and a grandmother.

it doesn't give me (or you) the right to tell other people how to raise their children. I'm really sorry that every single movie in existence cannot be "G" rated - and that even in an "R" rated world (much like the real world) Children EXIST.

You choose to not let your child be an actor in a film. That's fine. But you are no more important that any other person on this planet to have the right to decide for ANOTHER parent what is right or best for THEIR family. period. mom or not.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Hollywood is getting more and more outrageous in what they portray on-screen, and they get away with it. Then we wonder why our society has gone so far down the tubes.


I think what Hollywood puts out is more a symptom of our society's ills than a cause of them. If we weren't already warped to begin with, Hollywood would have no incentive to create such products. The only reason they do is because we are already eager to consume them.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Orkojoker

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Hollywood is getting more and more outrageous in what they portray on-screen, and they get away with it. Then we wonder why our society has gone so far down the tubes.


I think what Hollywood puts out is more a symptom of our society's ills than a cause of them. If we weren't already warped to begin with, Hollywood would have no incentive to create such products. The only reason they do is because we are already eager to consume them.



It is both a symptom and a cause.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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And how typical pf the porno-pooping diseased scuzzy skanky sex-liberating Hollywood product social engineering pukers, to be just like the narcissist psychopath sociopaths that they are, and tell us viewers that we are the ones with the problem not them, and we are the ones who like Farty torn-fly said, are the "pervert", because we don't with full throatedness all the way, take it all long down and deep, and like the one commercial says, "I'm lovin it", with a satisfied sigh and a cigarrett. Huh, you big innocent "what me?" well meaning ARTISTS, er uh I mean fartists.

Don't take my post dirtily you perverts, how dare you.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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I still think its an excuse.


People let their kids veg out in front of movies they shouldn't be watching, and TV they shouldn't be watching.


These little actors aren't seeing anything the average ordinary kid isn't seeing in the video games you buy.


And the problem isn't what they're watching or what games they're playing - the problem is PARENTS NOT SITTING DOWN WITH THEM TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION about the difference between REALITY AND FANTASY - the difference between GOOD AND BAD - the difference between RIGHT AND WRONG


Did it ever occur to anyone that Natalie Portman turned out so well because her parents did those things for her? While also letting her do this......



The scene which was hidden from the American viewers for a decade. (It was added back in for some of the versions released after 2004.)
Besson's original movie idea was more violent, and the relation between Léon and Mathilda showed much less ambiguities in the first version of the script. However, Natalie Portman's parents did not let their daughter to play that part, so the director had to rewrite the script

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousVan
I would gladly enjoy watching a movie about zombie kids fighting rabid kids with chainsaws while the hero is setting an orphanage on fire

And of course with subliminal flash of porn pictures

At the end the hero could shoot all the kids while using drugs ,driving a truck over the bodies of starved kids .


Now don't let anyone stop you or your fantasies, big hero!
And if you re-read your post and get a feeling that it may sound, even in the slightest way, infatuated and idiotic, never let that bother you. You are the man of the hour!

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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Am I attacking you or anyone else for that matter because you don't have a problem with it? NO I am not.

 


If you check back you can see that I was replying to another person.

Specifically, the post this person was replying to.


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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Mod why would you censor a post of mine, when it was Farty torn fly who committed defamatory slander and called me a terrible inflamatory litigious name? I used NO swear words, The worst I did was tell him to go [censored], which is good caring advice.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Thurisaz


Am I attacking you or anyone else for that matter because you don't have a problem with it? NO I am not.

 


If you check back you can see that I was replying to another person.

Specifically, this post.



More clearly - This one (not what High said, I'm pretty sure, I read pretty carefully, just don't want anyone confused)


Originally posted by Charmed707
How sad that not wanting your child to play make believe with a grown man pretending to rape them is now considered being a bad parent by "sheltering" them. Many of you seem too dense to comprehend the point the OP is making. If your average Joe set up a video camera at home and pretended to rape a child for some home-made movie, there's no doubt that child services would be called. I personally would be very upset if my parents had allowed me to take part in a rape scene as a child all for the sake of making money.


Which by the way is reasonably disgusting....

you do know Charmed, that when they film scenes like that, they use body doubles... right? They don't make small children act out those sorts of things....



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by idunno12
 


thank you! you explained it so much better than I could. When I get upset I find it hard to state how I am feeling...but the last paragraph in particular is Gold!! I wish I could give you a star. Thank you !


Yes, Grahag. I do get that this is a movie. I totally understand that Superman can't actually fly and that Spiderman isn't actually part spider. ****But the children who are reading these lines, acting the scenes, and being shown in such violent and sexually suggestive movies are actually real children. They are actually learning the lines and saying the words.*****

After a good nights sleep I realize that I let my feelings get in the way and my original response was not well thought out. I am a mom and I was angry about the apathy with which some people in this thread seem to view these childrens' innocence.


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Can anyone even post a movie scene where a kid had to go through some terribly violent scene? As in, they were forced to be in a section of the scene where something horrible was going on?

Some scenes are made up of 20-30 different shots, cuts and edits. Meaning a person does not have to be in the entire scene for it to be made....

Brick walls, brick walls, everywhere.

A kid saying "No, don't do that to me." in a tense scene, could be saying it as "No, don't make me do my homework" but then it is translated into something worse for the audience when three or four shots are added in.

Often when they read their lines, they are the only person in the room actually acting....



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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I don't see how the number of people involved in the process somehow makes it better. Some people seem to actually believe that the people of Hollywood are above the law and above the moral standard of everyone else. I'm sure some people are just defending Hollywood movies because they enjoy watching them.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Food for thought:

I counted around 44 different angles in this scene...

22 of which, Matt Damon had to be present for. Yet, even as the main character, he didn't have to be present for more than half of them.

The scene could have been shot at multiple angles (More than one cam), or with multiple takes that were dubbed afterwards to make fluid audio...



That's Hollywood... As they say.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Some people seem to actually believe that the people of Hollywood are above the law...

 


What laws have been broken?






...and above the moral standard of everyone else.


Everyone is to bow to your idea of a moral standard?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Body doubles are NOT always used. In the movie Bastard Out of Carolina, for example, the actor in the movie heavily kisses a little girl and then rapes her. Pillows were used during the rape scene. The actor himself got so disgusted when seeing this scene at the theater that he got up and left, wondering how he could have went through with that. The only excuse actors and film-makers have is "It's my job to pretend to rape a little girl" or "It's my job to film a pretend child-rape scene". Sorry, that just doesn't cut it. They should NOT be above the law and any parents who are so greedy to put their child in this situation should be closely examined.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Charmed707
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I don't see how the number of people involved in the process somehow makes it better. Some people seem to actually believe that the people of Hollywood are above the law and above the moral standard of everyone else. I'm sure some people are just defending Hollywood movies because they enjoy watching them.


this is a HUGE difference when you are (as you WERE) comparing it to "average joe" videotaping a child in his home. average joe in his home with a child "making movies" = probably a pedophile. an entire cast/crew, parents, agents, etc. on a movie set = making a film.

that's like saying Picasso's La Vie is the equivalent of a Hustler magazine centerfold.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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Everyone is to bow to your idea of a moral standard?


You know damn well that if your average Joe did some of the things actors and film-makers do, especially involving children, they would really be in for it.

If you think adults raping a child in a game of make-believe is subjective, then I fear for any children that may come into contact with you.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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So because they get PAID to film actors playing make-believe, it's somehow less wrong than someone who doesn't get paid for it? I've always suspected film-makers who put such disgusting or graphic depictions of violence in their films of being pedophiles, sadists, etc.

ETA: It's disgusting how far some people will go in the name of 'entertainment'. I wouldn't be surprised if gladiators came back into fashion.
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