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Britain's alcohol problem.

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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reply to post by Freeborn
 


I'd go with much of that. But go further and add it was your government's policy to ban smoking in public houses that nailed it. The do-gooders looking out for your health, telling you what to do. The Great British Nanny State. Government sociology at work. Yet more short sighted policy in action.




posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Im not far from the black country, where about are you on about??

In my city, it used to be known as the three P's, Pubs, Priests and Prostitues.
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My old man tells me that when he was younger, there were at least 40 odd pubs in the town center, now there is barley 10. One street that i walk down oftern used to have 3, just in one street! Now theres none down there.
Apparently, according to the landlords of the city, the police are trying to close all the pubs that are not in the city centre, so that all the trouble is in the same place, to save the police running around all over the place.
One simple flaw, all the drunk people in the city in one place? More trouble... If this is true (and would not surprise me) The police are even more stupid than i once thought.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Trolloks
reply to post by chocise
 


Lol, ol' special brew. Could always step it up a notch, a lil creation of mine i like to call Super Snakebite.

1 can of Super Strongbow (7.5% for those who are unfarmilier)
1 can of Special Brew or Tennents Super
Mix and pour into 2 pint glass's
Instant amnesia


As for Guiness, how dare you! lol. There is a way to get drunk off it if you drink it right. 2 pints of Guiness, followed by a pint of larger, i dont know why or how, but it works, must be the bubbles as they say.
edit on 1-8-2011 by Trolloks because: no one must slander the black nectar!


haha

There's another I learnt of while drinking in the Surrey Hills, near one of Godalming's old cider houses. It was a 'Green Death'.... half pint strong export lager [Brew or Tennants] poured over a measure Blue Curacao, half pint cider, topped with a double black Smirnof vodka. A strong snake bite I guess.

The mixture turns green, and depending on the cider you mix with it stands almost translucent or goes quite cloudy. You only need one!

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by chocise
And while I'm having some fun, here's a famous British Isles pint from the Emarld Isle.



Looks a thousands dollars, but tastes like utter kak. You can down 15 pints of this and still put an IKEA flatpack together. What a waste of money!




I am sorry to disagree but THIS is the utter nectar of the gods and quite frankly the only beverage with alcohol that I am likely to consume.

One thing I was wondering is if there might be a genetic factor in liking to tip a few too many back. Also if you UK folks will admit it or not you are quite far north with many hours of darkness and I wonder if that has a bit to do with it also. Depression and alcohol seem sort of like team mates. To me as an American it has also seemed you folks live hard lives, work hard, play hard, and I am sorry but it appears your food leaves a bit to be desired. Sad if alcohol is the big escape. Really life is too short for that.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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what the hell are you talking about?

ps. the only people who drink guinness are tourists.
urgh


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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Um do you read english? Or just have a problem with American english?
Or is this brits only dialog - if so, so, so terribly sorry . . .

What is the problem that I think Guinness is fantastic?
That I have asked about genetics and seasonal depression?
Do we need a translator?

By the way you are welcome to come to Disney World with your black sox and pasty skin.
Then I can splain it to you southern American style!

Snob much? Gee, share the Love.
Out of here now I'll leave to the Brits only to discuss their alcohol problem.
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Us Brits are quite a happy bunch, we enjoy our moaning but theres always humour in it, we like to look at the world and laugh at it. we aint unhappy, we may seem it because we just look at the world and facepalm for most of our day,lol. Drink has always been in our culture, we dont look for an excuse to drink, we just do because we enjoy it.

As for the food, i have no idea where this whole "english food is terrible" thing came from, our roast dinners are awsome, and dont get me started on our curries.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by LittleBirdSaid
reply to post by neonitus
 


Um do you read english? Or just have a problem with American english?
Or is this brits only dialog - if so, so, so terribly sorry . . .

What is the problem that I think Guinness is fantastic?
That I have asked about genetics and seasonal depression?
Do we need a translator?

By the way you are welcome to come to Disney World with your black sox and pasty skin.
Then I can splain it to you southern American style!

Snob much? Gee, share the Love.
Out of here now I'll leave to the Brits only to discuss their alcohol problem.
edit on 1-8-2011 by LittleBirdSaid because: (no reason given)



Troll?? *Facepalm*



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Its called tolerance and people who are consuming a obnoxious amount of alcohol deserve to get what they get.

If people would just learn that drinking alcohol to get drunk every time is hazardous to your health. Then so be it its their own stupidity. I drink on occasion and like to get a "buzz" but after that its just not even worth it! Why drink yourself into a stupor when the only thing you're gonna accomplish is health problems and possible criminal charges!

Way I see it is if you don't have enough self discipline to limit your alcohol intake than you fit right in there with the heroin, meth and coc aine heads. A worthless piece of trash!



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Suspiria
I have a rather large *ahem* capacity for booze and guilty of consuming well above my recommended levels.
Thankfully though, you'll never find me barfing / stooping for a wee in the street or fighting like a wild women. I like a drink, I socialise like an adult and go home without drama. Unfortunately it seem's folks like me are in the minority.

Why I have no idea..

Let's face it we've always had old dears propping up bars sozzled in their cloth caps after a hard days graft, with their big bulbous noses and red booze busted capillaries in the days when they could enjoy a woodbine in a nicotine soaked haven. Now it's not so straight forward, those people and those places have gone and have been replaced by out of control young adults. Mind you, I don't mean to damn all the young - We've all been there at some point, we've all thought we could drink our peers under the table it's part of being young. However...

Booze isn't cheap unless you get the own brand tins of gnats pish in supermarkets (And you couldn't get drunk on that if you tried) - I'd like to blame the economic downturns, the jobless depression but I can't. I can't blame the majority of publicans - The main problem of our drinking / fighting weekend culture is the bloody idiots that run these pub cum nightclub filth and every local councellor who took backhanders to allow their license are a shocking drain on the police every damn time they open. Unlike the majority of pubs these offer the cheap shots, the horse trough of cocktails in an environment that resembles & feels like a battery farm. I'm not suprised they end up rucking.

Even in remote places, the country villages folks notoriously have drinking problems - I noted on the Isle of Lewis most folks got constantly #faced in the home likely through boredom.

Apart from the problems that arise in towns, perhaps things haven't really gotten any worse than they have always been, it's just reported more. We have always been a nation of drinkers and likely always will be whatever they do to try cut it down.



wow, love the way you talk! lol.

most of the money spent on drunks are for forced rehab from the courts. law suits and such excluded, since they are insurance and civil matters, which have been paid for or will be by the accused.

it's free money for these people. (don't try to get me on ER visits coz slips and falls will be right up there)

otherwise, they will keep going till they die, usually within a month of being admitted to a hospital.

not everyone gets a free liver, if you are old, forget it. not even on the list.

if one WANTS to quit they can with minimal costs.

cancer is a whole diff ballgame. my great grandma smoked into her 90's, passed at 103.

people die from cancer all the time, smoking or not. the reason people freak out about smoking is that the stats attribute smoking to COD even though the person was 89yo.

wtf! 2nd hand smoke was not enough now there is 3rd hand smoke! and stigma of being a smoker.

sorry,

binge drinking is not a good thing. drinking to excess is not good.

raise the drinking age? a mindset would be a better defense. but hey!...

promotion by the bars are also a legit blame, catering to the young crowd.

maybe raise the pub age to 21? let the under age crowd buy and drink at home and let the parents control it.

how much do they have to spend anyway?

btw; chill the beers! warm beer will get you smashed real quick!!






posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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I cannot help but laugh at some of the complaints that ya'll have. I live in the states, and let me tell you, our liquor laws are out of control. Where I live (Kansas) our bars close at 1:30 AM, we have not allowed smoking in bars in at least 6 years, We cannot buy alcohol/beer before 12PM on Sundays (even during football season), our liquor stores close at 11:00PM Monday through Saturday. You cannot buy liquor at the grocery store and the beer you can buy at the grocery store is only 3.2%. Our legal drinking age is 21. Now some of our "dive" bars do have some pretty good drink specials, like 34oz beers for only 4.75, but once again, it's only 5.0%. They tax the crap out of us and have made it so difficult for bar owners to still attract business with all this ANTI SMOKING crap. I understand not smoking is restaurants, but bars???? Come on, I think they seriously are trying to put them out of business with these silly laws.

As for the topic at hand in the OP, I have to agree, alcohol sales have always gone up during times of economic downturn. It's a fact of life. "Beer now cheaper than gas....drink, don't drive"



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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Your point is spot on...youngsters have no idea how to be around people. Only last Saturday I was sat at a table with some mates, the table next to me had some young ladies there, and some 18 year old lads pitched up and were disgraceful to the point I had to ask them - as diplomatically as I could - what they were doing talking like that?!
Just no need really - and as you say all because they've probably drank enough that should mean you head for your bed not for a pub to be around other people.

The one thing I would also add is the violence increase - people seem far more willing to start throwing punches, bottles etc - it didn't seem the same 10 years ago?!
I won't even go into the town centre anymore because I can't relax..



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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Good post, important topic, woodwardjnr. I like the odd drink myself. The only reason I would limit people's access to alcohol, is because of the health and financial misery drinking too much causes, and when the behaviour of drunks impinges on my life and that of my friends and family. I can't believe the the tax on alcoholic drinks ( u.k.) begins to cover the true cost of the toll on health and social problems we experience. Looking positively, I live in a North Yorkshire market town that has had its fair share of drink related social problems.
The local police seem to have adressed the problem, and rowdy, out of control, drunken teenagers, broken beer bottles, and minor criminal damage seem to be a thing of the past... It's a pleasure to live here again.
Drinking too much, particularly amongst teenagers seems to be a u.k. problem, the rest of
western europe does'nt have this issue, as far as I am aware...



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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i had the start of a drink problem between the age of 18-19 nearly 20, it was not everyday i would drink, but at the end of the working week once i had been paid i would venture out on a friday and saturday night, and get smashed.
to start with it was fun etc and i would do this every weekend, but i got to the point where i kept going and could'nt tell when i had drank to much, towards the end i would have missing time, not able to remember half the night(wheres the fun in that), and in the end what made me stop was passing out outdoors, falling to sleep on the concrete in the winter, if i had not been found by somebody who knew me i could of easily died due to the cold.

that was a wake up call to me, because i was no longer in control of myself, i would drink to the point where i put myself in dangerous situations and could not remember the most of the night and had built myself up to drinking special brews instead of pints. so i quit, and have hardly touched a drop since, maybe 2 cans on a special occasion thats it and not everytime.

there is a culture in the u.k. where when work is finished there is a need to go out and drink untill you cannot stand. some do it during the week to, the kids see this and then think it is the norm to, and some drink underage thinking it is 'cool' because they see their parents doing it a few times a week. or in some cases eveyday.


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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The smoking ban is a difficult one.

Unfortunately I'm also a smoker, one of my true real regrets in life, and like most smokers I smoke more when I'm drinking than I do when I'm not.
The majority of pubs I have done my drinking in have been the dark and dingy types with cigarette smoke thick in the air.
After a day in the pub my clothes would stink.

When they first brought the smoking ban in it was a nuisance and it certainly drove some of the older drinkers away but most have adapted and some of the best craic can be found outside in the smoking areas.

One of my pubs had no designated outside smoking area and punters had to stand in the middle of a major street, not ideal.
Due to the archaic British licensing laws, last orders was midnight in this pub, and my own fondness for drinking far later than that, I frequently partook in one of those quintissentially British of pastimes - the stoppy back - a.k.a. a lock in.
Obviously people were unable to smoke outside after hours and I used to get the ashtrays out, much to the annoyance of the non-smokers, and the pub would soon fill up with cigarette smoke.
Having become accustomed to a smoke free enviroment I too found it uncomfortable.

Even today if I'm somewhere where the smoking ban isn't strictly enforced, either at home or abroad, I still tend to stand outside to smoke.
I understand however that this is not to everyone's liking.

Surely a fairer solution would have been to either give landlords the option of being a smoking or non-smoking pub or allowed them to have designated smoking areas inside the pub isolated from other parts of the pub and with adequate extraction units etc.

But of course that would have offered choice and not helped the agenda of shutting pubs down.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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I hope you learned that you cannot make a serious thread about a serious issue that hits home on ATS.

Amazing isn't it?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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Frankly, I would like to know who you are and what NGO you are affiliated with.

The WHO would like and is planning to attack drinking just like the attack on tobacco. In order to do that - it is first necessary to demonize alcohol. One of the ways to demonize alcohol is to convince the public that alcohol is costing them money.

The truth about British drinking?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Tired of control freaks



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Your licensing laws are pretty similair to those here in the UK, only town and city centre pubs tend to stay open later than midnight, (there are plenty of lock-in's though,
), and off sales are strictly licensed.

reply to post by LittleBirdSaid
 


Sorry mate, despite trying on numerous occssions I can't get away with Guiness or Kilkenny's or Murphy's Stout etc even though I am a Bitter man and John Smiths Magnet is my preferred drink.

reply to post by LittleBirdSaid
 


Not all us Brits are the same, just think what an opinion we would have of Americans if we judged you all on some of the arseholes who post on ATS.


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There is nothing better than being in a British pub and having a few pints and a bit craic with mates and loved ones.
And as for British food....can you beat a good old Parmo or even Kebab?


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Way I see it is if you don't have enough self discipline to limit your alcohol intake than you fit right in there with the heroin, meth and coc aine heads. A worthless piece of trash


Bet you are a barrel of laughs at parties.

You are obviously the sympathetic and understanding type.
I sincerely hope this is returned to you in abundance some time in the future.

reply to post by facchino
 


Violence has always been a part of British society, it's just reported on more nowadays.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:51 AM
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it is not the drinking that is the problem, it is the irresponsible drinking, i lived it for a few years, it was not out of the ordinary to see fights kicking of in different places around the city, people nearly being run over and vandelism.
police and ambulences were a common site, for what? an enjoyable night out?

in britian there is a problem with people going out intenting to have a good night, and then drinking to the point where they loose control of themselves and spoil it for everybody else.

it is a problem, i personally do not see it as an attack on drinking, we have to realise there is a problem first if we are going to fix it. people drink themselves into hospital, it is out of hand.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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lifeform11

Where is your proof that drinking in Britain is a problem?

Tired of Control Freaks




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