Britain's alcohol problem.

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
you mean the one that relieves cancer patients and people with rheumathism?

several studies showing cancerkilling qualities? that substance?

that substance that can be made into clothing, paper, medicine, fuel etc?

that one??

k, i'll shut it

edit on 1-8-2011 by kn0wh0w because: (no reason given)

Can't be, I'm talking about an Illegal drug! Apparently one hit and you're hooked for life, and it kills more people than death it'self! (You see, any death by this drug is so terrible, it actually supersedes death, placing you into a "hell" of sorts)

Ok, this silliness must end. But seriously, how do we still justify cigs and alcohol being legal, while "the substance which must not be named" is illegal?! It's like making paintball guns illegal and handing out AK-47s...

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by TechVampyre

 

nice thread btw Vampire!

SnF for the thread you linked

Thanks. Much appreciated! .. Unfortunately the mods don't agree with the truth.. So that thread was closed a few months back.. "still waiting staff approval"

Originally posted by EmVeeFF
But seriously, how do we still justify cigs and alcohol being legal, while "the substance which must not be named" is illegal?! It's like making paintball guns illegal and handing out AK-47s..

That's good! Made me laugh... but it is very true.

Did you see the poster girl for this infromation on the BBc site and also on panarama tonight.

The retard drank around 1 bottle of brandy per night since she was 13 years old, her liver crawled out from under her and now she's dying and lending her face to the 'lets tax the # out of drink campaign'.

This is a winner of the darwin award here. Let her die for being a retard and consuming around 26 units of booze per day.

I will repeat this incase someone else dident notice this, ITS A PLOY FOR MORE TAX ON BOOZE.

P.s. The only problem with drink that I have is 2 hands 1 mouth.

I have a rather large *ahem* capacity for booze and guilty of consuming well above my recommended levels.
Thankfully though, you'll never find me barfing / stooping for a wee in the street or fighting like a wild women. I like a drink, I socialise like an adult and go home without drama. Unfortunately it seem's folks like me are in the minority.

Why I have no idea..

Let's face it we've always had old dears propping up bars sozzled in their cloth caps after a hard days graft, with their big bulbous noses and red booze busted capillaries in the days when they could enjoy a woodbine in a nicotine soaked haven. Now it's not so straight forward, those people and those places have gone and have been replaced by out of control young adults. Mind you, I don't mean to damn all the young - We've all been there at some point, we've all thought we could drink our peers under the table it's part of being young. However...

Booze isn't cheap unless you get the own brand tins of gnats pish in supermarkets (And you couldn't get drunk on that if you tried) - I'd like to blame the economic downturns, the jobless depression but I can't. I can't blame the majority of publicans - The main problem of our drinking / fighting weekend culture is the bloody idiots that run these pub cum nightclub filth and every local councellor who took backhanders to allow their license are a shocking drain on the police every damn time they open. Unlike the majority of pubs these offer the cheap shots, the horse trough of cocktails in an environment that resembles & feels like a battery farm. I'm not suprised they end up rucking.

Even in remote places, the country villages folks notoriously have drinking problems - I noted on the Isle of Lewis most folks got constantly #faced in the home likely through boredom.

Apart from the problems that arise in towns, perhaps things haven't really gotten any worse than they have always been, it's just reported more. We have always been a nation of drinkers and likely always will be whatever they do to try cut it down.

Originally posted by chocise

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Marijuana is addictive and kills if overused, yet it is illegal.

Not supporting it, but incorrect on both counts. And it certainly doesn't cost the NHS 2.9bn£ a year. Time for a rational review.

Not to mention its probbably saving the NHS millions a year from people cutting out pain meds and growing their own medicine.

reply to post by Suspiria


Booze is definatly not cheap like you are saying. I was at a four star hotel out in the sticks for a wedding last week.

One shot of JD with coke and one wkd blue for the missus came to £9.90. How in the hell can I expect to have fun or even get tipsy when everytime I want a drink im forking out a ten'er.

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I can't agree with that. You blame the supply when personal responsibility, or lack of it, is the cause. You were born with free choice. Respect yourself.

Social issues are contributory, and as someone above mentioned, it's another cycle that repeats [and descends] which has even more repercussions and added costs, so I recon the true costs way exceed the estimated 3bn£.

It's tragic really, but just another pointer that 'we've' lost our way in this world. As said, there's no future... I feel a Pistols song coming on.

Originally posted by DaMod
Only Alcohol problem I've seen is the bottom of an empty bottle.... Now there's a problem..

As far as Brits drinking too much.. well if they want to drink too much... isn't it up to them really?

The govt should not get involved with such things as they are a question of personal freedom.. Even though I know things are run a bit different over there...

I will say though... There is nothing like partying with Brits.. You are a fun people!

Of course woody there is one thing... I am definitely an Advocate of a drinking age.. (although not the 21 we have here... I mean you can die for your country but yet cannot have a beer?!?!)

I say maybe it's time for the UK to boost it to 18.. might take a bite out of it.

edit on 1-8-2011 by DaMod because: (no reason given)

The legal age IS 18..

Originally posted by chocise
reply to post by Suspiria

 

I can't agree with that. You blame the supply when personal responsibility, or lack of it, is the cause. You were born with free choice. Respect yourself.

Social issues are contributory, and as someone above mentioned, it's another cycle that repeats [and descends] which has even more repercussions and added costs, so I recon the true costs way exceed the estimated 3bn£.

It's tragic really, but just another pointer that 'we've' lost our way in this world. As said, there's no future... I feel a Pistols song coming on.

Unfortunately, people seem to think everyone but themselves should be treated like a dog and guided by a leash anywhere they go...

As far as I am aware this has always been a major problem in Britain with reports of roving gangs of drunkards looking for fights back in the 12th century... even wife selling got in on the act with wives being sold in pints of gin..

In all honesty I think the level of alcoholism in the country is a good litmus test of how peed off people are... so going by this report it seems they are pretty peed off.

Originally posted by Suspiria

Originally posted by DaMod
Only Alcohol problem I've seen is the bottom of an empty bottle.... Now there's a problem..

As far as Brits drinking too much.. well if they want to drink too much... isn't it up to them really?

The govt should not get involved with such things as they are a question of personal freedom.. Even though I know things are run a bit different over there...

I will say though... There is nothing like partying with Brits.. You are a fun people!

Of course woody there is one thing... I am definitely an Advocate of a drinking age.. (although not the 21 we have here... I mean you can die for your country but yet cannot have a beer?!?!)

I say maybe it's time for the UK to boost it to 18.. might take a bite out of it.

edit on 1-8-2011 by DaMod because: (no reason given)

The legal age IS 18..

Which is the problem. Statistically, countries with a legal age of drinking have bigger problems with alcoholism.

Originally posted by michaelmcclen
reply to post by Suspiria

 

Booze is definatly not cheap like you are saying. I was at a four star hotel out in the sticks for a wedding last week.

One shot of JD with coke and one wkd blue for the missus came to £9.90. How in the hell can I expect to have fun or even get tipsy when everytime I want a drink im forking out a ten'er.

It's the alcohol they sell at supermarkets that is cheap. It's a loss leader. They sell it cheaper than cost price to attract customers.

reply to post by Suspiria


The LEGAL age is 16 in clubs and pubs when accompanied with an adult for a meal.

Originally posted by michaelmcclen
reply to post by Suspiria

 

The LEGAL age is 16 in clubs and pubs when accompanied with an adult for a meal.

No honestly it's NOT.
Care to elaborate the particular places you are referring to? I'm sure the publican is looking forward to losing their license.

Unfortunately, alcohol consumption is not Just Britain's problem. The use and sales of hard liquor has gone through the roof here is the U. S. This is really more of a westernized problem overall.

The tanking economy, everyone in fear for their jobs and a future so dim it is lit with a match. We have many reasons to see this uptick in alcohol consumption.

I know....had a few too many myself when posting here on ATS!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by michaelmcclen
reply to post by Suspiria

 

Booze is definatly not cheap like you are saying. I was at a four star hotel out in the sticks for a wedding last week.

One shot of JD with coke and one wkd blue for the missus came to £9.90. How in the hell can I expect to have fun or even get tipsy when everytime I want a drink im forking out a ten'er.

It's the alcohol they sell at supermarkets that is cheap. It's a loss leader. They sell it cheaper than cost price to attract customers.

ill hit you a star for that. Yes I understand that drink is always going to be a loss for supermarkets as they use it to draw you in for your shopping all the evidence you need for this is to watch TV around christmas times and see the supermarkets ads for 40 beers for £15.

This country is dying and the only people to blame is the goverment.

*No smoking in bars
*stupid licensing laws
*Drinks promotions are not allowed

See this is where the debate for me opens up. If you are at a bar completly off your #'s the bar man can turf you out and thats it your walking home to sober up. They act as a watchful eye over you.

Now if your at home with cheap drink from the supermarket and your two sheets to the wind the only person gonna stop you is the person that has to share a bed with you and if they are already smashed then your on your own to drink as much as you can before you pass out.

The solution is to drop the drink prices in bars and clubs, remove this retarted closing time of 3am and let us and heres the big word ENJOY our drink instead of us having to knock asmany back before last orders when we are all dropped out on the street together for the usual 3oclock kicking out time mass brawl.

reply to post by EmVeeFF


Indeed. [I had to star you again, in agreement].

I really don't know what's up with folk... well I do, and really, I can't blame them given the shambles they've been born into & the piss that's ripped out of them. It wouldn't be so bad if there was some kind of direction... a vision for the future, ANY future. There's no unified vision of where the country is supposed to be heading. But what we have is the promise of a new dark age, where your children's children won't even see a brighter life. The United Kingdom has only just paid off its war debt to United States and landed in an even bigger debt none of the ordinary working folk are responsible for, yet they, as always, will pay the heavier price in both monies and health.

There's no vision. It's all about the material 'me', now. No one respects anything because everyone is in it for what they themselves can get. On reflection, it really is no surprise folk hit the bottle so heavily.

reply to post by Suspiria


here ya go, apparently its 5 years old in your own house

en.wikipedia.org...

First off, that report is a load of tosh. Why use the "former" guideline of 21 units? It's obviously because the statistics would be less alarming if they used the current 28 unit figure.

And even then, you go out on a Saturday and drink 7 pints of decent beer and you have just exceeded the 28 units.

Stress over money probably puts more folks in hospital than drinking does.