Britain's alcohol problem.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

Originally posted by Suspiria

Originally posted by michaelmcclen
reply to post by Suspiria

 

The LEGAL age is 16 in clubs and pubs when accompanied with an adult for a meal.

No honestly it's NOT.
Care to elaborate the particular places you are referring to? I'm sure the publican is looking forward to losing their license.

edit on 1-8-2011 by Suspiria because: (no reason given)

It honestly is...

What the law says

It is against the law:

* to be drunk in charge of a child under seven in a public place or on licensed premises
* to sell alcohol to someone under 18, anywhere
* for an adult to buy or attempt to buy alcohol on behalf of someone under 18
* for someone under 18 to buy alcohol, attempt to buy alcohol or to be sold alcohol in any circumstances (unless acting at the request of the police or a weights and measures inspector)
* for someone under 18 to drink alcohol in licensed premises, with one exception - 16 and 17 year olds accompanied by an adult can drink but not buy beer, wine and cider with a table meal
* for an adult to buy alcohol for a person under 18 for consumption on licensed premises, except as above
www.direct.gov.uk...

the limits are on licensed premises and drink free areas... aside from that it is not illegal for parents to give children as young as 5 alcohol.. and medical approval is needed for children younger than 5.

And there in lies a problem. This is not for the likes of everyone..This is put in place for the ladeedaa affluent folks trotting down to their local for lunch after a spot of horse riding. Most publican's wouldn't touch this with a bargepole, too much trouble. And for a start if anyone merely got whiff of a parent giving a child under 10 a drink apart from supping the froth off grandmas stout at Christmas you'd have the SS banging your door down.

reply to post by Surreptitious


Wait why am I doomed? I live in the middle of no where in the woods. I dont think anyone would bother invading the mountains, nor could they

Originally posted by PapaEmeritus
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

Apparently so! I was sitting outside a shop waiting for my friend to get off work when this group of teens walked by the other side of the street the one kid says "has a fag?" I thought he said "guys a fag" so I say "come again?" so him and another kid make fun of my American accent then go off on tangent tellg me off at a million words per minute so I just attacked them and threw the one dudes shoes in a dust bin. The cops were called and the cops just laughed and told me " no one cares if you beat on a few chavies".

I'm not so sure your telling the full story there, but either way it made me laugh.

reply to post by Death_Kron


well its the short version

reply to post by PapaEmeritus


Once your country surrenders, you'll be the only person left, in the woods, living off of f*%$ all and wondering where it all went wrong.

Do you feel more secure living in isolation or more exposed due to your dis-connectivity with "life".


Regards.

Originally posted by chocise

Originally posted by Trolloks

Back to me pedigree

Lightweight!

Special Brew, for the more discerning homeless person.

It also has the distinction of being the only drink that's never been paid for with a paper note...

Originally posted by EnlightenMe2012

Originally posted by existenz
reply to post by DaMod

 

i'm not sure if this question has been addressed but.....the drinking age in the UK IS 18. full stop. no questions asked. if a 14 year old is in a pub drinking alcohol then they are breaking the law. as is the landlord of the pub.

also, most places, stores and pubs have gotten together to introduce a policy called 'think 21'. this means that unless a person looks 21 or over, they will have to prove that they are 18 or over with a valid ID, in order to be sold alcohol or allowed entry into a liscensed premises.

eX.

My partner works for Tesco. She's 25 but looks about 17 and because of this her boss asked her to accompany him on an alcohol purchasing test at 10 stores within the city. Out of the 10 stores she tried purchasing alcohol from only 4 asked for ID. 60% failure says a lot about the think 21 policy.

i don't disagree. the system is far from perfect. the point is that there is an unofficial policy in place. put into action by the stores and pubs/clubs themselves to try and curb underage drinking. albeit to save their own skins.

does it work? hardly. But it's a start.

reply to post by Death_Kron

Maybe you should tell me since your the expert?

It's clear who is making the money. What more could you want to know?

reply to post by Zamini


Therefore............... "Where's the problem....???" exactly...??



Regards.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

Maybe you should tell me since your the expert?

It's clear who is making the money. What more could you want to know?

I'm not sure I'm following you here...

reply to post by Surreptitious


Not to sound like a cocky D-bag but I live in the US and I am former soldier we dont know how to surrender. Not bragging but our citizenry is more well armed than many of the worlds armies. I know how to survive of the land just fine. I live in a small town out in the middle of the woods by the Amish and other farming communities I'm not a hermit. But to answer your question I feel much safer out here among the tree's and I guess if anything does go wrong I'll be far better off here instead of in a city with a bunch of rifleless, unskilled pansies . Look how well the superdome did during Katrina, so yea no thanks screw the city.

Originally posted by PapaEmeritus
reply to post by Surreptitious

 

Not to sound like a cocky D-bag but I live in the US and I am former soldier we dont know how to surrender. Not bragging but our citizenry is more well armed than many of the worlds armies. I know how to survive of the land just fine. I live in a small town out in the middle of the woods by the Amish and other farming communities I'm not a hermit.

Specifically Canadian.

Not US.

reply to post by Surreptitious


Well I dont think Canada will ever be invaded either if thats what you mean? Or if your saying would I run away to Canada? No I'll have to stay and fight only rats flee a sinking a ship.

Originally posted by babybunnies
USA has Obesity, UK has Alcohol Abuse AND Obesity.

Hey, I've been in a Canadian hotel lobby in the early hours (working, free wi fi in the lobby) and a trio of very drunk Canadian men rang up to order four prostitutes. My female colleague was approached but she nodded at me as I returned from the washroom and they stumbled away from her.

They came down from their room after probably some very embarrassing drunken fumbling to try and pay for said ladies of the night and either they couldn't remember their pin number or the cash machine wasn't working. I got the feeling that was the second time these ladies had been short changed that night.

Come to think of it, downtown Montreal had more beggers than I've seen anywhere else. Several held up signs saying 'need money for drink' - this is a true reflection. Given the price in Canada, I nearly joined them even though I was on expenses.

Please don't tar a nation with a brush without knowing what's going off in your own.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I hjate to get all political, but wouldn't you expect to see this in a society that is filled with entitlements?
(America, listen closely, we're next!)

To be fair, England has far less "entitlements" than the US. The difference is that theirs helps their people while ours only helps corporations, banks, and the military profiteers.

Make no mistake, America is far more socialist than any European nation. It's a Corporate Socialism. The worst kind.

Pray tell, if it can be kept on thread, what entitlements do you think England is lacking? Free health service at point of need? Sorry, what are you referring to? Hint, we also have satellite and cable, lots of junk food, most of us not too keen on guns though, thanks.

Just as a point of interest. The story of Bill W. is as interesting as any I've heard. Whether you be alcoholic or not.

en.wikipedia.org...

There is a also a motion picture, for those that can't be arsed reading.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I hjate to get all political, but wouldn't you expect to see this in a society that is filled with entitlements?
(America, listen closely, we're next!)

To be fair, England has far less "entitlements" than the US. The difference is that theirs helps their people while ours only helps corporations, banks, and the military profiteers.

Make no mistake, America is far more socialist than any European nation. It's a Corporate Socialism. The worst kind.

Pray tell, if it can be kept on thread, what entitlements do you think England is lacking? Free health service at point of need? Sorry, what are you referring to? Hint, we also have satellite and cable, lots of junk food, most of us not too keen on guns though, thanks.

I think you misread the spirit of my post.

How dare you talk about alcohol as if it is some kind of problem!

Jack Daniels and Mr Kronenberg are really hurt by that comment. Bloody hell old man Tequila is in the corner crying. Crying!!!

What is wrong with you?!!!

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Marijuana is addictive and kills if overused, yet it is illegal.

edit on 1-8-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: .

Marijuana addictive and kills if overused?
Proof?

I have worked with people in treatment for both Heroin and Alcohol and alcohol addiction is extreamly hard to treat especially if you are alcohol dependent. From what i have seen it can effect anyone of any age from all walks of life because it is so accsessable and sociable and cheap. I look at my town and pubs are selling drinks during the day at a £1.00 a pint and they get really busy so it has now become normal. Other changes i have seen is on places like Facebook people constanly talk about having a drink and cant wait to have a drink. i have people of very differnt ages about 14 the youngest and to see people so desperate for a drink of alcohol must encourage there curiosity. I would like to ask anyone not from Britan what was the age you first drank alcohol and who with? just to compare to myself and my friends in britan which seems to be average of 13 years old and with friends on the streets.