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What's happening in Estonia?

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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In Estonia they have just had their annual "Waffen SS convention."
Where old members of the SS celebrate their murderous past by wondering round in SS uniforms while friends and family wave nazi flags.

Sounds a bit dodgy you say?
The Estonian government don't agree with you-and are protecting the SS gathering,with police patrols who try to prevent anti fascist groups from spoiling the party.
Some anti fascists have been arrested even.


A convention of Estonian SS Division veterans has found its guardian angel in the form of the Estonian authorities, who are protecting it from any unpleasant meddling by the international anti-fascist movement.
­Finnish human rights activist and chairman of Finland’s Anti-fascist Committee, Johan Backman, has been prevented by police from entering Estonia to participate in an anti-nazi rally.
He says it's symptomatic of Tallin’s tolerance of Nazism.

rt.com...

So Estonia are in the EU(or in the process of joining)and they go about hosting Nazi gatherings,with police protection for the Nazis.
This does not seem right IMO.
What are your thoughts-should this glorification of Fascism be deemed acceptable in modern day Europe?
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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nothing then?


 
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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please provide more info on your subject...



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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I´m from estonia and indeed there`s nothing ever happens here


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Sorry one and all-keyboard malfunction,apologies for the empty post.

All fixed now..


Here's a short vid from RT on the convention:


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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the eu are a bunch of facists anyway, so estonia should fit right with the rest of the eu


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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i believe the estonian guy, if this does take place though, it probably would have something to do with the estonia being taken by russia and incorperated into the ussr



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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I am no fan of the EU either,but this convention is disrespectful at best,and down right dangerous at worst IMO.
The SS veterans are too old to be a real threat physically and most will die soon of old age,but what disturbed me about the video was that there were quite a few young guys wearing uniforms and holding SS flags.

What would they be prepared to do to bring their sick ideology back to Europe?
Are one of those guys the next terrorist/bomber in the making?

If they believe their government helps and protects them-would that not make them more dangerous?



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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personally i think it would be alot more dangerous not to let them have their little tea party

the russians did alot worse things in world war 2, the nazis helped repel the communists

socialism is far more dangerous then facism



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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European history, specifically world war 2 is much more complicated than it seems. If my history is correct, Estonia in around 1940 was annexed and occupied by the Soviet Union, there were many people from Soviet occupied countries who felt compelled to fight against the Soviets, the easiest way of doing this was enlisting in the various Nazi aligned movements at that time or joining the SS. It's not as simple as simply pointing at these men and saying they are Nazis, they fought under their command but they did not nescessarily share the same goals.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Now that America has adopted Nazi germany's hostile foreign takeover policy it's cool to stick the uniform on and sporting silly tashes..

later on I expect they'll roast a few jews on a open log fire...

as long as no one gets hurt eh?



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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You could be right that its better not to have this movement driven underground-the intelligence people could monitor them easily etc...But to give them police protection and arrest the anti fascist protesters seems to be taking it a step too far I think.

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I know Estonia was occupied by the Soviets,and they still hold a grudge,and I can understand how they wish to remember their fallen in WW2,but I would have hoped that by now even the Veterans would have tried to distance themselves from the SS,knowing now what the organisation was responsible for in the war.

Its a shame they seem to want to pass that part of history onto their youngsters.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Socialism and fascism are two sides of the same coin. The Government is the supreme ruler in both cases. Libertarianism is the polar opposite.

Also, socialism in of itself is not dangerous. Look at Denmark, they've been socialist for decades and are totally fine. It's Military Socialism that is very dangerous, and that's what the U.S.S.R was.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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I have found this YT tribute to the Estonian SS of WW2.
Has a very patriotic feel to it,and anti semetic/soviet undertones.
Sadly some of the YT comments think the SS are great.




posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Obviously there is alot of outrage at the fact that there is a direct link between the veterans of the Estonian SS legion and the Nazi regime, but to insinuate that these low key celebrations are in anyway condoning the attrocities which took place during that period is incorrect.



the Estonian SS division, founded in 1944, is not thought to have been involved in atrocities against civilians




The Estonians, like their Finnish neighbours, took up arms against the Red Army to try to protect their freedom. "Estonian soldiers did not have the chance to fight during the Second World War in Estonian uniforms," Mr Kruuse said. "The members of the legion tried to bring freedom to Estonia, or to give their families time to escape to the west before the Red Army returned to kill them or send them to Siberia."


Quotes from Telegraph article

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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218 dislikes? i guess 218 makes them Nazis, on that RT youtube link.
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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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