reply to post by Sovaka
Originally posted by Sovaka
My dream is of a small community of friends and family that hold themselves 100% self sufficient. A community that collects all of its own pure rain
water, produces 100% of their own fruit, vegetables, herbs and grains. This community will do everything in its power to be carbon neutral and
completely off the grid.
In this ideal community, certain responsibilities will be shared with those who have the skills. If something needs to be done, then everyone pitches
in and gets it done quickly and efficiently.
This community also shares a set of beliefs and ideals that will ensure its cohesion and integrity.
First I'll give you a mission statement I learned in the early 70s.
Our Mission is analyze the situation and through foresight and advanced planning, circumvent or avoid problems before they arise.
Should the unexpected occur, our aim is then to swiftly and efficiently arrive at a workable solution.
HOWEVER, when you're up to your ass in Alligators, it's difficult to remember that the essential objective was to drain the swamp.
I've seen this done in Australia and some still stand even today, from the 70s. Contrary to 12Voltz statement...
Originally posted by 12voltz
...There are quite a few of these feral communities already ,with the major downfall being drug problems and laziness.Hope you can do it properly
...I've seen no issues with "drugs" nor especially laziness.
There are many things to consider with "multi-occupancy" land. I've read through your OP twice and rather than take a point by point response, I'll
just meander along the basic topic.
The ideals you mentioned are a start but need refinement. Experience usually renders that process! lol... Carbon Neutral sounds so..... ah.... Al Gore
/ Julia Gillard P R eh? You will find costs involved, such as "power grid hookup" to roads on property and council rules and regs.. all of which
"costs" and are time consuming.
Will the project be organic? Certified organic? Has Sewage Sludge ( Biosolids ) been used on the land? Because if they have the land will NEVER be
certified... it's compromised for hundreds of years... what's been done before on the land? Which chemicals are on it and what's been possibly buried
on it... etc Will the mining / gas companies do fraccing on the land? ( a major issues these days ).. coal seam gas etc..
The idea of small families and young not over 65 is nonsense... You might consider reviewing that protocol. I know many ( especially rural ) elders
that do more and better work than younger people. Families can support themselves... a garden on any families plot can feed a huge familly AND
probably every other family involved... The size shouldn't be an issue.
When you buy, the land either is on the grid or can be hooked up.. I would suggest never pay the huge amount to hook up to it, as the cost of it can
establish brilliant "alternative energy" models. For example from Rainbow in NSW, who have long been in the biz.
As for the idea cats kill all the birds... that is Aussie nonsense.. I remember that one. It was someone who extrapolated from a cat who had a lot of
birds in it's stomach... He added up possible feral cats and attributed all such imaginary numbers to all possible feral cats to a huge nonsense
number of affected 'wildlife".. it was and is the most shoddy logic.
What about rats? Going to use bait? DON'T!!!!!! have cats man... not only can kittens be trained to not eat birds ( with a water pistol and squirt )
when they are young and eying birds!, but they can be be great rat hunters.
I remember a documentary on such a multi-occupancy project on SBS or ABC.... Turns out these people had a rule that Bush Turkeys couldn't be messed
with at all.. and it was a huge problem as the bush turkeys beat all ways and means to net or protect and garden.... it was outright ignorance and
OUTRIGHT stupid! Aussie forefathers would have hung their heads in shame with such eejits.
Don't sweat the "no health issues" restrictions man... There are people who can't live near EMR ( electro-magnetic radiations ) etc.. they want a pure
system lifestyle etc... And dis-ease and illness is part of life... anyone involved can get so... including you. Have mercy NOT sacrifice?
The loving rural / country living is nice lol... Do you? I can introduce you to people in their 70s that can show you how to live that way... as they
DO LIVE THAT WAY, and I would bet do more work then most people. Want to be carbon neutral/ How about being environmentally minded instead? No
chemicals.. and I mean in construction and products brought in and food even.... hell man! Australia made it law to buy "Fluro" light bulbs with the
mercury in them... that is NOT environmentally funny man.. in fact it is as corrupt and sick a "Green" regulation as you can get. So learn about the
REAL environmental concerns of old.. NOT the green party vague shallow environmental crap.. and certainly not the GOVERNMENT GREEN bull.... The
government pushes sewage waste as GREEN and beneficial!
Choose where you will stand in this project of yours... Because you will find the councils are NOT on board with your growing ideals. You need
reconsider many of your ideas here man... the IDEALS are cool... and people can have ONE and the SAME IDEALS.. but what of the ideas that point and
work towards such ideals? The ideals can be one, but the IDEAS are as varied as each person is. People will learn one way or another to NOT be so
restrictive and Ruling in such projects... That's what I've found was many an issue in such groups... the POLITICS and personal issues of people who
have little talent ( or ability to learn quick enough )... people that have little talent for moderation or basic things like working together... Yes
I'm sure it'll all be fine if they all WORK with you... but I'm speaking of YOU working with others... as in this is how you do it... This is how it's
done.. and believe me ( if you will )... such things are NOT made by you, nor me... they have a life of their own... almost like magic, because of the
likeminded-ness and ideals of all... and remember the ideas that work with these ideals are as varied as each individual....
Roto-loo's are cool things... but NO chemicals or dioxin laced "white" toilet paper etc... All such things can get minute and intricate... but are
basic for many a "Hippie" that never had laziness or drug "problems" ... though have often got the P R crap from people calling hippies this that or
It's all about love of course... and Love can certainly be 7 people in a family... rather then the Chinese / Eugenics 4 people only nonsense!
As far as the type and models of constructions and dwellings etc... look into ROGER DEAN HOUSES.... most excellent stuff... great ideas for decades
now... I know some of us have a lot of experience and have been through these things before... but I can say to you... you can do this. But I can also
say it will be very different to what you are thinking now and most the "work" will be choosing and changing your ideas and ideals... as in hey man!
This is how you do it! This is how it's done!
Good Luck man! There's much more.. but even as you said... that's for another thread / phase....
Again.. Good Luck!
Post Scripture: almost forgot! There's an Aussie invention this guy came up with and has developed.. it's called "Biocube" and is very much worth
looking up.... That will give your "family" a work that should help the whole ideal endeavor in very practical ways.... Especially if you can swing
the 150,000 to buy one.... and grow oil-crops... and NOT Genetically Modified Canola!
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