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For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. 9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx
reply to post by quadagent
If you believe in a better place than life, whether or not you call it narcissistic, it's a very relevant point.
But why do you have a sense of responsibilities to others, when they'd all be better off dying to? Why not do what you can to hasten your death(even without suicide), and convince them to do the same?
I don't understand.
Much of what you say makes little sense. First of all, I never said they'd only be concerned with ridding themselves of pain and suffering, I said it'd be the greatest temptation, and that surely most would fall into that temptation as most do with all temptations...the only difference between killing yourself to go to heaven and getting drunk is you only have to fall into the temptation once with killing yourself
You also mention some random things about concept of character and hope and perseverance....those things wouldn't matter the slightest in heaven.
You made one decent point and that was one might not try to reach heaven immediately because they care for others, I assume by this you mean that you want to try to convert as much people as possible....but do you, do you devote your life to trying to convert people?edit on 7/31/2011 by Josonic because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by quadagent
I believe that since we will always be finite
I don't know for a fact what I believe is in fact the true nature of the universe, mans state before an infinite being or anything for that matter.
You could've just said that and not added all the useless information. You, just like most other Christians, don't try to reach heaven quicker, because you have doubt heaven exists. You don't want to risk everything to try and reach heaven quicker in case there is no heaven at all.