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Alex Jones; Sincere or Cointelpro? Here is what I have found.

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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This started off as the second part of a reply I was making, but I realized this would be perfect for my first thread, so I "cut" it and brought it here instead. Besides, I want to know what y'all think about this.

I have been on this site for about four days now. Just long enough to get my twenty posts in so that now I can U2U and start threads. In that time I have seen two threads removed. (Three if you count the one I accidentally started with only a title. Never hit enter twice when writing a post!) The other threads that were removed? One that was offensive, with an offensive video which blamed pedophilia on the Jews and ZOG, and the other was one involving the Drudge Report, which evidently we are not free to use as a source here. Hmm! Anyway...

I left my old hangout at Infowars for a couple of reasons, one was because if I posted what it has taken me three and a half decades to discover in the area of religion, it would be censored. If I pulled my punches on the subject I could usually get the post to show up. I was not abusive in my posts but neither was I apologetic. I used to play with it to see how far it would let me go before my post didn't show up. Censorship from someone who promotes free speech, how does that work exactly?

I came to the conclusion that since AJ's readership has many fundamentalist Christians on it, Alex may have decided that religion would be a subject they would not address. Is that censorship? I think it will do until the real thing comes along, don't you?

There were some other things which caused me to leave the Infowars site. Alex reveals lots and lots of secret stuff. He seems to tell us what is coming before it happens. Most of the people who have done this in the past have ended up dead rather quickly, but they have also been relentlessly pursued and harassed as well. Alex on the other hand has a nice house with an in ground pool, drives a nice SUV, his site never seems to go down, and he doesn't seem to get hassled too much. Of course he says he does, but he rarely illuminates us with the details.

What if AJ is part of the plan? We know from history that when you organize anything these days, the Feds will be there. Indeed we have trollers here. On Infowars techies have come on and said that this poster is posting from the DOJ so be careful. What if AJs job is actually to tell us what is coming and thereby blunt the reaction that will result when the event actually takes place; sort of a pre-damage control?

Another thing that bothered me is that I have seen a video where protesters are having a peaceful protest. The organizers are busy with their megaphone explaining calmly why they are there to the crowd that has gathered. Alex shows up and, well here it is. See what you think.



Since this is my first time posting a video and I am not sure if I have done it right or not. I am posting the link from YouTube (I see about three or four possible ways to do this, don't know which one is the right way, this is attempt 1 - can anyone point me in the right direction here? I understand some basic HTML code)

www.youtube.com...

We all know we are down the rabbit hole here, and it is hard not to become paranoid, but it is also very dangerous not to be suspicious enough.

Remember when the Government announced the approach of Crack on the horizon? And then it showed up, right on cue. Then we find out that the CIA brought it in and used Freeway Ricky Ross to get it onto the street. The investigator, Gary Webb was about to publish a second book on it when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a shotgun, twice!


Is this the same principle but with a clever twist? They have access to all the psychiatric and behavioral minds they want - hell they even had Mengele at Montauk! Paging Dr. Black! - is this a calculated move to blunt the anger by giving you a peek. is Alex part of the very incrementalism that he himself warns us about? Are are they truly afraid of making a martyr?

Let me know what you think, I am genuinely curious. And isn't it dark and confusing towards the bottom of this rabbit hole?
edit on 31-7-2011 by Asktheanimals because: Fix video link




posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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He's a raving lunatic and everyone with any sense sees that.

Aside from some copied information from other forums or sites that he brought into "conspiracy mainstream" he didn't do much other than fearmongering.

The one thing that still puzzles me is his bohemian grove video where he seems too be overconfident and in my opinion invited by someone from that camp. Which than would indicate he in fact IS a tool which would be the most interesting aspect from his fat, screaming American *ss...



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Hi, Ittabena:

There are some on ATS that follow Alex Jones, but I think the majority of members, like me, think he's an over-dramatic boob. Many will admit that he has been the catalyst for their further investigation regarding conspiracies. He HAS brought many topics to people's attention that they otherwise may not have known about.

HOWEVER, the sensationalism on his site is beyond ridiculous. He keeps promoting the most extreme issues like mass genocide to reduce the world population by 80% and I don't know how long he's been ranting and raving about how martial law is at our back door and we're all gonna be thrown in concentration camps and exterminated. That kind of stuff is way over the top and his screaming and ranting about all of it really doesn't help the conspiracy field. It makes a joke out of it.

The issue you brought up about him crashing that peaceful demonstration is one of the things that really turned me off to him. The real topper for me, though, was the hoax he pulled with Charlie Sheen regarding that fake interview with Obama. I was convinced after that that either the dude has a secret agenda, or he's more concerned with keeping his ratings up than he is in ever seeing an end to these conspiracies. If there were no more conspiracies, A.J. would be out of a job....it's as simple as that. I tend to think he's been dipping into his buddy, Sheen's, crack stash the way he acts sometimes.

And then there's that melodramatic conspiracy program of Jesse Ventura's that he's appeared on. That show is a disaster for the conspiracy field.....it's laughable.

As for his followers, I have little tolerance for those fans of his. Many of them come off as very immature and seem to jump on A.J.'s bandwagon of the day without batting an eyelash. I don't care for the way they belittle those who are not fully informed about conspiracies, either. All this bashing of people and calling them "sheeple" grates on my nerves.

I have no idea what A.J. is trying to do anymore. He's all over the map.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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I remember Mr. Jones from way back when I discovered him on short wave radio and found all kinds of "conspiracy radio" there.

After hearing him on and off for the better part of 20 years, I think he is a showman and businessman of the PT Barnum school of promotions. If all he said was to come to pass, we would already be in full fledge 1984 mode.

After 20 years, I still have yet to see all the warnings come to pass. Now, he does a good job of passing information with a fringe twist on it...but for the most part, he has to have a NWO "boogey man" to keep making money.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Alex Jones?...Alex Jones?....oh yeah he's become a fat over-paid celebrity,and has the God image syndrome,I used to think he had something interesting to say but again all he's interested in hearing is his own voice.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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See, the fear mongering is another thing that bothered me, but I figured I would leave that out to get a less reactionary response. Tried not to hit any nerves to prolong the mud fights that this thread would probably cause.

As a former Disc Jockey myself, I know he could take a much more productive tact with his audience. He turns a lot of people off when he says he is trying to make them wake up.

Thanks for your response, had all those same thoughts myself.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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He's either a liar or coointelpro(sincere is not an option), he may believe in some of the things he says, but most are just lies to get people to believe in the things he really believes in: christianity, his views of society. He manages to keep his followers scared that the government will install martial law. The thing is 'they' would never just up and install martial law. They would do it all stealthy like and make us want it first. Plus he's been saying martial law is just around the corner for years. Last year he promised Iran was going to be attacked. what happened there? He legitimizes his conspiracies by including real news on his website. Just because he has real news on his website doesn't mean his conspiracy news is correct.
I'd like to believe he's just a liar, but his followers are so brainwashed it makes me think he could be cointelpro. You look at the comments and everyone is either calling people who disagree 'sheep' or agreeing with anything alex jones says. Well, besides the OP. Were you the one who always wrote about the nephilim?

more evidence, AJ is a liar... His entire website is a walking advertisement. People who are sincere don't have that many advertisements, people who are sincere generally don't have any advertisements. What happened to AJ's claim that Obama's real name was Barry Soetoro? That's not what obama's birth certificate says.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Personally I think Alex Jones is just an opportunist in the purest sense of the word.

He has found effective methods, usually involving sensationalism, exaggerations, and fabrications all designed to play to a select demographic, who can't seem to get enough of it.... I also believe that he sincerely believes in some of his own bullcrap, and you know what? that is his right, and it is the right of his followers to play along and help spread his message, videos, links etc.

I'd much rather live in an America where an Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and all of those others (you know who they are) can thrive and be successful and remain free to do what they do, than one where they are silenced.

Alex is what he is, and that is up to each and every individual to decide ultimately.




posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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All good points I have noticed also. Now you see why I left there. Also, there is never anything positive, after having his sight as one of my home pages for months now I noticed I was always depressed and bummed out.

Not anymore...



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Wecome OP. Use the search feature and it will show dozens of threads on how to embed a YT video. As for that incident, well AJ is cocky and thinks he knoews more than the others already there. Disinfo agent? Highly doubtful. AJ is just full of himself and needs to make money, hence all the ads.


As for religion, I can't imagine why it took you 35 years of studying to come to whatever conclusion you have reached.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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No, I didn't talk about the Nephilim, but I know who you mean. Always quoted Nibiru.com. I took him to task a couple of times though

I posted as Timboy on AJs site. (There, it is out!) And while I understand and respect the rules of civility here, those were not present on AJs site. And yes I did get down and dirty in the mud over issues from time to time, but only based on truth, never character assassination. (I hope :duh
Hopefully, I didn't just put crosshairs on my name for anyone here, but I am nothing if not honest.

Funny thing is since I have gotten here, somehow I always seem to be talking about religion. I don't know why either. It is not the main thing that I usually talk about. I am not obsessed by it or anything like that. So in an effort to get away from it I posted a thread about something I have been thinking about for a long time. Then you ask me about nephilim. WTF is up lately?

Anyway, thanks for the input



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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alex jones...glen beck... 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other... a nut is a nut...unless of course its a pistachio



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Okay, maybe I put that badly. I have been researching various fields; Religions, Magics, Metaphysics, along with Govt. Corruption, EM research, JFK, RFK, MLK (a lot of Ks huh?) This started after a history teacher got me interested in the JFK assassination, and since I went to Catholic school all my life, the disillusionment from that sent me looking in the religious direction. Who said what was the first thing. I found quickly that much of what most of us believe is Christian is not from Christian origins at all. I also found out most religions say the same things, basically. At least in terms of how we should behave, or morals we should hold to in life. The aspect where they differed was in how the viewed or thought of God. The Christians see an actual personality with flaws which sound like human failings rather than aspects of God. The one that made the most sense to me is the Buddhists view, which says that there is a spark of God inside each one of us. In the Upanishads it is said that we should seek that still small voice inside.

But do you want to know what I was really looking for?

I wanted to find out the secret that the Freemasons are supposed to reveal to you when you reach the top of their food chain. You see, my good friend's father in law - whose home I would visit for holiday dinners - had once been a Freemason. He never missed a chance to go. He was one of their most loyal members, until he reached a certain degree. At which point he never went back again. However, he will not tell anyone what it was that caused him to stop going.

Anyway, thanks for the input



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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unless of course its a pistachio


Nice. If we lose our sense of humor all is lost, I agree.
edit on 31-7-2011 by Ittabena because: extext to quote, oops



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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The one thing that still puzzles me is his bohemian grove video where he seems too be overconfident and in my opinion invited by someone from that camp. Which than would indicate he in fact IS a tool


I saw that too. But again, in order not to prejudice the response I left feelings and impressions out of the OP.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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He has done a lot to help wake people up. There is no other point you can make.

The owner of GLP forums though is clearly cointel. I'd trust AJ and ATS more then most.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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I listen to AJ most nights on the radio before i go to sleep, it's kinda like doom porn. Like it when he talks about whats happening in the UK, without having a clue and blowing tabloid stories out of proportion. That vid in your youtube clip also got me questioning him after seeing it. It was almost too obvious the way he disrupted the meeting and his guilty reaction to it. Definitely made me wonder.

I still listen though cos sometimes he has some interesting guests on, I just hate all the adverts, like the one for diamond gusset jeans and the organic soap



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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What if AJ is part of the plan? We know from history that when you organize anything these days, the Feds will be there.


Alex Jones and many others are here to distract you and me from what is comming to this planet. Yes! he says truth with lies just like an old type member of the secreat society of the Illuminati.

When people talks about the truth our freedome of speech can go so far ( Just like Ron Paul said ) talking about blue blood line aka Hybrids.


BEWARE OF THE NEPHILIM.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Let us analyze "the truth"...

The truth is, that there is only one man, who is allowed to tell us "the truth".

This man, must have totally irritating commercials, on his barely-listened-to radio station. He must constantly interrupt his "guests" and cut to the most blaring adverts for kooky talk-radio type fast talking shebabbaery, in order to pay his humble mortgage and reguler-guy bills.

That is what we are asked to accept: That A.J., is the guy who represents us, the kooks. And it is he who, when he gets on "The View" gets to represent us well enough, that he appears credible. BUT he's the only one, who speaks for us, because we are not allowed to speak for ourselves. That is the real truth.

I'd say that if you look for radio people to lead, then you'll always fail. radio is a wasteland. I'd say the Jesse Ventura TV show which was aired on "TruTV" (which used to be called "CourtTV") is the best flag raised under which people might rally. I really liked Jesse making the admins squirm on camera. His show is a lot of fun, and he has obtained some great things like the Howard Hunt deathbed confession and more.

But even then, Jesse is an ex-WWF muckraking buckmaking expert. I always see him with the feather boa, trying to be tough. It's a funny picture, but these days, it is as if 9/11 is his feather boa. Still, where's the Hulkster as to the truth movement? I know the Iron Sheik gets on Howard's show but as I said, radio is garbage so maybe if the Iron Sheik can get on "The View" along with Jesse and Alex Jones, we'd get to some real trooths?

I would love these guys to debate more people directly, and yes, it takes hours. Because if they open themselves up to the global microphone ( I mean when the global microphone comes online that is) and accept debate-opponents from the crowd, I will be in that crowd. I will read a book in line, and wait for hours for my turn to talk.

FACT UP: Global conference calls can be done, within 24 hours. Said conference calls could be connected to sports-arena size gathering places --within 24 hours. Families, entire, could gather in every city, and have hours-long discussion with each other via the telephone conference call networks (very very very simple) and have exchange of ideas without ANY POLITICIANS or middlemen.

So I am saying that in fact, the solutions are easy, and within reach of all of us. That we do not lay our hands on those solutions, is due to group hypnosis. So, if viewed in this light, then there would need to be those men who KEEP us hypnotized. That is to say, hypnosis is very much environment based. So if the only environment is that of fear and hopelessness, then one could suggest that there would be those who would appear to be helping, but who actually just contribute to the existing trance state.

Only peer-to-peer discussions, with families talking directly to each other, and without any moderator or delphi-type shapers of discussion, can accomplish this transition with minimal pain. If we allow people like Alex to represent us, it will fail. Put him in a place where the people can debate him, and we will see where his arguments are weak. I am saying that stadiums get built, to hold people for big events. TELL ME THIS: What event would be bigger, then to gather at the stadium, and dial up another cities stadium, also full of people?

I am saying that the whole idea of colosseum can be turned on its head, if the people use these colosseums not for shows produced by the Emperors, but for tribal type gather where you collectively using a microphone and regular plain old telephone service, to dial up the next town and have super city-to-city town hall meetings.

Realize of course that Alex Jones would no doubt show up. But then there'd be a whole army of people ready to discuss his methods and the blind spots he's got. Same with Jesse V or ANY famous person. Hell, get Matt and Trey out there since they are the modern jesters, let them explain their nihilism or if they have any faith at all. I am saying when town-to-town hall conference calls get going, as I have explained here, it will make all the BS drop to the floor. I will be on the microphone when there are a million people listening, but I will patiently wait my turn behind all the others. In that moment, when such a system comes about, well, all the judges and powers of the old way, will be done. Because what I am describing is essentially the greatest jury ever assembled. Yes, the COTUS allows the people to form grand juries, and the only reason to do so would be to find the assheads in power who are wrecking our country and our resources and the world itself. Why else would you call a grand jury?

I am explaining the solution, but can you get the permits for the stadiums? Can you dial 1-800-gotomeeting and get town-to-town meetings going? I assure you every little authority will try to stop such endeavors. So in the meantime, there's Alex and Jesse.
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Human4life
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What if AJ is part of the plan? We know from history that when you organize anything these days, the Feds will be there.


Alex Jones and many others are here to distract you and me from what is comming to this planet. Yes! he says truth with lies just like an old type member of the secreat society of the Illuminati.

When people talks about the truth our freedome of speech can go so far ( Just like Ron Paul said ) talking about blue blood line aka Hybrids.


BEWARE OF THE NEPHILIM.




* I took heed of this





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