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To Christians: Why are you still keeping the Sabbath?

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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I would like to know, from the Christian community, who practice Sunday worship, why are you keeping the Sabbath day practice? To clarify, I mean why do you stop work on the 1st day of the week, and work 6?

Why did the Messiah die for our sins? What was the purpose? Did He not complete the Sabbath day practices after His resurrection? Why do you think the Messiah was purposely picking heads of corn in front of the Pharisees on the Sabbath? (Matthew 12:1-8) Did He not prove to them we no longer are under the old covenant, and no longer under bondage of a yoke of slavery?

Did not the Messiah Yahuwshuwah say in Matthew 12:8


“For the Son of Aḏam is Master of the Sabbath.” The Scriptures ISR


And also in Matthew 11:25-30 that we now are under no heavy burden.


11:25 At that time יהושוע (Yahuwshuwah) responding, said, “I thank You, Father, Master of the heavens and earth, because You have hidden these matters from clever and learned ones and have revealed them to babes. 1 Footnote: 1Lk. 10:21.
11:26 “Yea, Father, because so it was well-pleasing in Your sight.
11:27 “All have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.
11:28 “Come to Me, all you who labour and are burdened, and I shall give you rest.
11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your beings.1 Footnote: 1Jer. 6:16.
11:30 “For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.” The Scriptures ISR

Why is it that the Christians only practice 1 day a week to magnify and praise the Heavenly Father Yahuwah and the Son Yahuwshuwah instead of 7 days a week of praise and worship? Did the Messiah die for naught? Did He die in Vain? Why abstain from work for 1 day a week when the old covenant of 1 day a week for rest is complete in Messiah. Cant you see you are under a yoke of bondage, under the curse of sin and death.




Galatians 3:1-16 The Scriptures ISR
3:1 O senseless Galatians! Who has put you under a spell, not to obey the truth – before whose eyes יהושוע (Yahuwshuwah) Messiah was clearly portrayed among you as impaled?
3:2 This only I wish to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of Torah (Law), or by the hearing of belief?
3:3 Are you so senseless? Having begun in the Spirit, do you now end in the flesh?
3:4 Have you suffered so much in vain – if indeed in vain?
3:5 Is He, then, who is supplying the Spirit to you and working miracles among you, doing it by works of Torah, or by hearing of belief?
3:6 Even so Aḇraham “did believe Alahym, and it was reckoned unto him as righteousness.”
3:7 Know, then, that those who are of belief are sons of Aḇraham.
3:8 And the Scripture, having foreseen that Alahym would declare right the nations by belief, announced the Good News to Aḇraham beforehand, saying, “All the nations shall be blessed in you,”
3:9 so that those who are of belief are blessed with Aḇraham, the believer.
3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”
3:11 And that no one is declared right by Torah before Alahym is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief.”
3:12 And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them.”
3:13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.”1 – Footnote: 1Dt. 21:23.


Galatians 3:1-13 says everyone is cursed who continues in the old covenant.



3:14 in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושוע(Yahuwshuwah), to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief.
3:15 Brothers, as a man I say it: a covenant, even though it is man’s, yet if it is confirmed, no one sets it aside, or adds to it.
3:16 But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Messiah.


Galatians 3:16, says clearly that the promises made in the old covenant were completed at Messiah.


Therefore you cannot rest 1 day and skip the rest of the Law (Torah). If you do one part, you must do it all, for its blasphemous to the Heavenly Father. Even further, resting the 1st day of the week, is the wrong day, which always was Saturday(The Shabbat), is not even part of the new commands and teachings of the Messiah and Apostles. Constantine instituted ‘Sun’ day worship, 1st day a week rest, to bring together mixed paganism into one, Catholicism. And Catholicism may be the mother of harlots who started all the Names of blasphemy (Revelations 17:3-6). Where does it say in Scripture rest first and work later? Doest not Scripture teach we work now, and we will have our rest later?

Do you know that Constantine used the ‘Cross’ and said “in this sign you shall conquer” and slain thousands of Jews (Yahudim) in that symbol? How could you wear a cross around your neck knowing it was used in the mass genocide of Jews?

The Messiah set us free from the yoke of bondage, the law, the curse of sin and death. He is our Sabbath, He is our rest, the First Fruit, our Lamb the eternal sacrifice.


Galations 5:1-4
5:1“In the freedom with which Messiah has made us free, stand firm, then, and do not again be held with a yoke of slavery.
5:2 See, I, Sha’ul (Paul), say to you that if you become circumcised, Messiah shall be of no use to you.
5:3 And I witness again to every man being circumcised that he is a debtor to do the entire Torah (Law).
5:4 You who are declared right by Torah have severed yourselves from Messiah, you have fallen from favour.” The Scriptures ISR



By practicing 1 day rest a week as Sunday rest, you are under old covenant laws, forbidden by Yahuwah, as the Scriptures already says in Galations 5 by Sha’ul. If you practice the 1 day a week rest, you must also practice ALL the other commandments and feasts of the old law(Torah) of the Sabbath. By doing that you have become anti-Messiah’s, (Anti-Christs for those who don’t understand), denying the reason the Messiah died for us, to become our rest, for we rest in Him not on Sunday. Those who keep Sunday as 1 day a week rest, are under a yoke of bondage, the curse of sin and death, are hypocrites who say we live under a new covenant, and dont keep the letter of the law.



Matthew 11:28-30
11:28 “Come to Me, all you who labour and are burdened, and I shall give you rest.
11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your beings.1 Footnote: 1Jer. 6:16.
11:30 “For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.” The Scriptures ISR




1 John 2:21-23
2:21"I did not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no falsehood is of the truth.
2:22 Who is the liar, except the one denying that יהושוע (Yahuwshuwah) is the Messiah? This is the anti-messiah, the one denying the Father and the Son.
2:23 No one denying the Son has the Father. The one confessing the Son has the Father as well." The Scriptures ISR


Christians deny that Yahuwshuwah is the Messiah, instead claim ‘Jesus’ is the Messiah, a false name created by man.



1 John 4:1-3
4:1“Beloved ones, do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Alahym, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
4:2 By this you know the Spirit of Alahym: Every spirit that confesses that יהושוע (Yahuwshuwah) Messiah has come in the flesh is of Alahym,
4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that יהושוע (Yahuwshuwah) Messiah has come in the flesh is not of Alahym. And this is the spirit of the anti-messiah which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.” The Scriptures ISR

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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By practicing 1 day rest a week as Sunday rest, you are under old covenant laws, forbidden by Yahuwah, as the Scriptures already says in Galations 5 by Sha’ul.
The Sabbath existed before the ten commandments.
You may find plenty of believers in the seventh day Sabbath who are Christians.
The Sabbath was included in the covenant with the Israelites but so was the prohibition of murder.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Sabbath = Saturday
Sunday = Sun's Day

As much as you cite Emperor Constantine as a corruptor; changing the Sabbath to Sunday, you should know that Paul (writer of Galatians and much of the New Testament) was also a corruptor. All you have to do is compare the words of Jesus in the 4 Gospels with the writings of Paul and you will clearly notice big time contradictions. Or compare Paul to the Old Testament and you will also see big time contradictions.

Here's what Jesus has to say about this whole matter:

"17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 5:17-20]

All has NOT been fulfilled. Jesus didn't have his second coming, the dead were not yet raised, judgement day has not yet come, and the battle of Armageddon hasn't occurred.

Only Paul talks of this "new" covenant, or even the separation of Paul's "gospel of the uncircumcised" and Peter's "gospel of circumcised."

Stay away from Paul.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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The Sabbath is Saturday.The law Christ fulfilled is the sacrificial laws,ie:That's why He was called the Lamb of God.The Ten Commandments will never change as The Bible says. Even if you really believe the fourth commandment was fulfilled,it doesn't mean you get a free pass to continue to break it. Let's say you broke a speeding law while driving.When you pay your ticket,you fulfilled that law.Speed again and get caught,but this time show the cop your paid ticket,he will smile as he gives you another ticket because the law still exists.The sacrificial laws were but a shadow of Christs coming.They pointed to Him,and was a way to explain the magnitude of what He would to for us one day.Sunday started with the pagans,then the catholic church observed it,then we fled to America as protestants=to protest,against the catholic church.The catholic church mocks us in many of their news letters,and even say that Sunday worship is their mark of christian authority.If Christ made the Ten Commandment void,then we should be able to steal,kill,lie,cheat,etc.and still walk through those pearly gates.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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In the ancient Vedic calendar, which pre-dates Christian, Muslim and Jewish calendars, Sunday has always been the 1st day of the week with Saturday as the day of rest.

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Side-topic:
If you're bored and has an interest for theological evolution; you should research the link between Stave-churches and Buddhist temples! In Scandinavia, the vikings had churches long before the Christians came rambling!
(When Norwegian the roof on stave-churches needs fixing, they hire in experts on the technique from Thailand to do it...)
Check this image:

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Should we naught eat French Fries on Friday? Should we naught celebrate the mundane on Monday? Should we naught get married on Wednesday?


These are the questions thy should ask thine self.


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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Only Paul talks of this "new" covenant,. . .
Jesus was referring to his own law when he said it would not pass away. These are the spiritual laws that the new covenent promises to have written on your heart.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Sahabi
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Sabbath = Saturday
Sunday = Sun's Day

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Saturday is actually Saturn.

Sunday = Sun
Monday = Moon
Tuesday = Mars (Tewes latin for Mars)
Wednesday = Woden (Also Mercury)
Thursday = Thor
Friday = Freyja (or her mother, Frijjo and sometimes Venus)



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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It’s one of the easiest commandments to adhere to.

Take one day a week to rest.

Doing this is more important than what day you do it on.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by IndieA
It’s one of the easiest commandments to adhere to.
(Edit by JM to shorten post)

Hah hah!
Take a look at my avatar.
The easiest law is; Don't cut the edges (trim?) of your beard.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Oh I see, you reject the teachings of Sha'ul, and the books that he wrote. Which is 80% of the New Testament.

You must think your better than Paul? Are you a better teacher then Him? Have you been stoned nearly to death? Have you been lashed 39 times, 5 times? Been shipwrecked? Been beaten by rods? Must I say more.




2 Corinthians 11:17-33 The Scriptures ISR
11:17 What I speak, I speak not according to the Master, but as in foolishness, in this boldness of boasting.
11:18 Since many boast according to the flesh, I too shall boast.
11:19 For you, being wise, put up with fools gladly!
11:20 For you put up with it if anyone enslaves you, if anyone devours you, if anyone takes from you, if anyone exalts himself, if one hits you in the face.
11:21 To my shame, I say that we were too weak for that! But in whatever anyone is bold – I say it in foolishness – I am bold also.
11:22 Are they Heḇrews? So am I. Are they Yisra’ĕlites? So am I. Are they the seed of Aḇraham? So am I.
11:23 Are they servants of Messiah? – I speak as beside myself – I am more, in labours much more, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths many times.
11:24 Five times I received from the Yahuḏim forty stripes less one.
11:25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have been in the deep,
11:26 in many travels, in dangers of waters, in dangers of robbers, in dangers from my own race, in dangers from the gentiles, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the desert, in dangers in the sea, in dangers among false brothers;
11:27 in toil and hardship, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness,
11:28 besides the matters from outside, what comes upon me daily: the anxiety for all the assemblies.
11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn inwardly?
11:30 If I have to boast, I shall boast of matters that show up my weakness.
11:31 The Alahym and Father of our Master יהושוע Messiah, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.
11:32 In Damascus the governor, under Aretas the sovereign, was guarding the city of the Damascenes, wishing to seize me,
11:33 but through a window I was let down in a basket by the wall, and escaped from his hands.





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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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Well yeah, our English Latin calendar came from the Gregorian calendar, which is pretty much Sun, mooon, etc worship. It revolves around Roman and Greek Mythology, which most of our society does now too.

The Hebrew Calender wasnt named after the moon, stars, and planets, and neither do the true Set Apart ones worship them. Only the fallen, and unrighteous do.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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The Sabbath is the Messiah, thats what the day of rest means. It was for us to rest in Him like I already quoted in Matthew 11:28. You cannot truely rest now, if you think your keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, the incorrect day. The 7th day of the week was always the Sabbath, is what im referring to, not the name of Saturday. And how can you keep the old covenant laws and the new at the same time when the old laws were broken in the days of the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah, and was told there was to be a new covenant?

And you cant truly keep the Sabbath without working 1 day a week in our society.

You cant light any fires= So you cannot drive a car, or cook any food, or microwave, and obviously start a fireplace

You cant work or make your neighbor work= that means you cant use electricity, cause someone down the line is working to make you that electricity, you have maintenance workers, control operators, truck drivers etc etc. You cant even turn on the lights in your home. So you cannot even fulfill the Sabbath day practices.

You cannot be sacrificing animals for sin, or burnt offerings = obviously we know the Messiah is our Lamb and eternal sacrifice, and like I quoted before in Galations 5:1-4, if you do one part of the Torah, you must do all of it in perfect sequence to be a sweet savour to the Heavenly Father. And now you cannot so, why you trying to keep the sacrificial laws of the Sabbath that are no longer here? Total Hypocrisy.



Hebrews 8:6 The Scriptures ISR
" But now He has obtained a more excellent service, inasmuch as He is also Mediatorof a better covenant, which was constituted on better promises.
8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yahuḏah a renewed covenant, "


Jerimiah(Yirmeyahu) 31:31-34 The Scriptures ISR
31:31“See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yahuḏah, Footnote: 1See Heb. 8:8-12, Heb. 10:16-17.
31:32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה.
31:33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”


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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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You cannot truely rest now, if you think your keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, the incorrect day.
I already said I was not going to come on your threads to disagree with you so instead I will try to find as much as I can to agree with on your thread. I'm convinced that you are not being told by anyone what to say and are just writing what you believe. I got a bunch of posts removed over on someone else's site for saying the same thing I told you so that may be an indication that I should tone down my blasphemy a bit.
The seventh day has always been the seventh day since man began counting days, that is for sure.
The seventh day, being the last day of the week cycle is logically the day for resting.
There is a tie in to the Sabbath in the Book of Hebrews, in the New Testament but people have a habit of not agreeing on what it means.I welcome any insight you may have on the subject.
I should get back with you for some further comments once I have time to read your entire post and think about it a bit. I wanted to bump the thread because I somehow missed that you had updated it, and at least I should be able to find it now.



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday. The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath—resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ—serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

Is it a bad thing that Christians go to church on Sunday because it is Convienient?
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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.
Festivals, and Roman festivals at that, meaning not of Hebrew origin but from Egypt. Check out this article for an example, en.wikipedia.org...
Paul was not talking about someone wanting to keep a Jewish holy day, he was talking about people joining in festivals for the gods, such as Isis. Could someone join into a festival for Isis and in their mind think they are by doing so worshipping God? They thought they were (or to some sort of "sacred" thing), before hearing about Jesus. Could a Christian in good conscience join in a worship of Isis? Apparently, yes. Would another Christian feel like it would be totally wrong and actually an insult to the true God and to Jesus? Yes, of course and probably as time went on, more and more so.

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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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I do not think I am better than anyone. But I call a liar when I see one. I do not say that my opinions and ideas come from Jesus, but then say so many things that contradict Jesus and the words of Lord God in the Old Testament. Although I openly call Paul a liar and corruptor of Jesus' message, I still do not think I am better than him, for even he is my brother.

Paul might have went through many trials, tribulations, and torments... but so has the slave, the rape victim, the son of the drunkard, and even the witches persecuted by Catholics and Protestants. Misfortune does not equate to divinely inspired.

Point blank: Read the Old Testament independently. Read the 4 Gospels independently. Then tell me Paul does not contradict it all. New covenant? Gospel of the circumcised and gospel of uncircumcised? Eat swine and no more unclean food? No more 7th day as the Sabbath? Only Paul changed things... not Jesus or Lord God. Unless you want to call Jesus and Lord God liars?

"17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 5:17-19]

And must I quote how many times Lord God said "forever" or "continuously" about His commands and words?



posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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. . . "forever" or "continuously" about His commands and words?
From looking at it and taking it at face value, it appears as a perpetual contract.
But Israel broke the contract. At that point, the in perpetuity clause is nullified.
The evidence that the contract was null and void is the Babylonian captivity.
When Jews returned from exile, they attempted to revitalise the now defunct contract.
This was of their own doing and God was under no obligation to accept their offer of renewal.
The promise of the Prophets was of a new contract.
The thing the Jews was not a new covenent but an attempt to revitalize the old contract.
The new covenent was brought into affect by Jesus and the laws he said would not pass away were the laws of the new contract, not the ones of the old.



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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Just thought i'd remind everyone to check their bibles again...

The sabbath starts on friday when the sun sets and ends saturday when the sun sets. Clocks didn't exist in the form they do now. Time was gaged on the rising and setting of the sun...

Just so you people know...




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