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No.
. . .shouldn't these two religions be one and the same?
Make that all Christians.
Originally posted by greyer
reply to post by jmdewey60
Jesus admitted that he had a god, and he never claimed to be our god, so I don't know why some Christians believe Jesus to be their god.
No, he did not because while he was on Earth, he was a man.
. . .Jesus did not tell me he was his "father," . . .
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by greyer
No, he did not because while he was on Earth, he was a man.
. . .Jesus did not tell me he was his "father," . . .
In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." -Mtt. 26:64
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by greyer
The God of Jesus was not the Jewish god.
The God of Jesus was the God of Abraham.
Two different things.
As I explained earlier.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
One has Jesus and the other has YHWH as the administrative gods of their two very different covenants.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by greyer
There is nothing to explain.
Abraham lived a long time before Moses,
Abraham met a god in Ur.
Moses met a god in Sinai.
Not the same god.
The NT never refers to the angel in Sinai as god, only as an angel.
The NT does refer to the God of Abraham as God.
The Jews, when returning from Babylon back to Jerusalem chose the angel of Sinai to be their god and had a big re-dedication ceremony in the attempt to revitalize the old covenant made by Moses.
Jesus rejected that angel as God in favor of the God of Abraham.
So, you have two religions, one worshipping a false god and one worshipping the real God.
OK, I found your post and I think along those lines that by the time we die, we are just becoming grownups.
Thanks for explaining, it did spark my interest for a minute but what you are mentioning is more like a bickering situation between the world, through the many years religions have developed they have been though dirty hands of power, religions evolve just like generations and new ideas/principles are set. As for the Angel of Sinai, that was early propaganda in the christian religion to affirm that the law of Chirst was more important than the law of Moses. In reality this was pushed by Paul an apostle who never met Jesus in his crusade to create the christian religion. The teachings of Jesus (gospels) do not refer to the Lord I Am as being angels (Paul claimed there wer multiple) because he probably didn't say it. In this post I am suggesting the law of Christ was more "new and improved", both laws are from the same god but one has been refined.
There is no way the original creators of the OT would include Abraham if they did not think he had a genetic line to the original Jews. I am arguing with much of the world when I say unite. Moses materialized in front of Jesus, not Abraham, that just shows how close they were. I'm actually amazed at how Abraham lived to be 175 years old, and he knew about people living up to 800 way in the past. I wrote a post about that the other day. At the time when Abraham lived there was no one who believed in one god, he was so ignorant as to who this god was but he was faithful, and the story is amazing. I don't think I can make a devoted Jesus follower think that Jesus in not God and a muslim woman in the middle east show her pretty face and put makeup on, but I can have security in my heart because I know that I am taking them from children of the ego to children of God.