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A Warning about Cults and Extreme Behaviour

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Cults are very powerful. They are successful in imposing an outside belief pattern affecting human action. There are some very powerful cults.

Cults can be very aggressive in their methods of growth and retainership of members. There have been many cases throughout all ages of history where people in extreme groups have done very extreme things. They have killed others brutally, like in the case of Charles Manson's cult. They have took their own lives en masse because told to do so by their leader, like in the Heaven's Gate Massacre of 1997 ( a comet was used as a sign to convince many people to kill themselves):

wiki leaks article on Heaven's Gate Cult

Only recently we knows that Harold Camping deceived all his congregations with his predictions and they behaved extremely.

I am very concerned about the Comet Elenin and 2012 stuff because it is deceiving many people in many ways. Believe what you like about it all, just don't do anything extreme or let anyone tell you it is the end. They are liars and fear mongers.

There is not one conclusive shred of evidence anywhere about any of these. No one has produced scientific evidence of Elenin coming near enough to the earth to have any physical effect atall. Just because the Mayans purported calendar ends this year does not mean ours will.There is a ridiculous amount of wild speculation and belief with no foundation.

Just be careful and be prepared to be let down and confused afterwards. Don't do anything rash because of it.

Of course my own advice would be to have atleast some evidence theologically, historically, culturally. In this age of individualism extremism is very much a constantly growing symptom which has a deadly impact like we have seen in Oslo just lately.

The reason I have written this thread is out of concern and not to impose any ideology on anyone. I just want you to be free and not to fall prey to lies and deception. That is all.






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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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You can warn all day, but there will always be people who feel a need to believe in something that gives them a feeling of being 'special'. I think it's just the way some people are wired upstairs (not a slight).



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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This is probably the most sensible thread i've read all day. Wish i could give you a flag.
I think there are many people looking for answers here and too willing to believe what they read.

I had the pleasure of vising Cornwall last month, what a beautiful place.


Peace



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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MOST OF THE PROTESTANT RELIGIONS ARE VERY JEALOUS OF THEIR MEMBERS, they make sure in some cases[like mine in the personal matter] to ASK for your 401k,as a donation for the glory of God,according to the letter after all that will be my contribuition to the church,this kind of behavior was the las drop,dont care if their church burn to the ground,but my family comes first.They were sending envelopes almost every week asking for moneys!!,well IN REALITY IF YOU GIVE THEM YOUR TIDE YOULL NEVER KNOW whats gonna happend to those moneys.You posted about the extremism about cults,this can be another example.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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I agree with you. If people are worried about it or questioning if something will happen, be prepared but don't do anything rash.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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The closer we are to 2012 the more I feel it is like a cult element that the world should dissolve or anything. I am involved with Hindu and Tibetan astrology and there is nothing in it like that. In fact the spring of 2011 looked like more dangerous - and the Japanese have experienced it, as did some Arab countries in a different way.

Elenin could be analyzed in other types of astrology which constantly add new elements - perhaps their existing system is not enough. Physically though, danger is not at hand. The last time I read about a possibly dangerous smaller body was Apophis, due to return in 29 then 35 or 36 but recent data suggest it will miss us. Otherwise serious astrology is usually about coincidences and observations - not cause and effect relationships.

However, mindsets of a theocratic nature also work behind the scenes and it is in their interest to spread cults and world panic.

Pwrhaps THEIR world will soon end.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Someone whants to give large to the church thats their thing. But there does seem to be a total lack of shame in the asking and methods used these days to get money. And what can we expect for chruch leaders many of which havent done a honest days labor for many many years if ever. You can tell the ones that understand whats going on in the real world and they curb the tongue accordingly.

But 401k? Yea someone writes asking me for this I will send them a package of dog dropings.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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Excellent that you attempt to bring this to people's attention! I've been posting it in Elenin threads myself
not sure anyone read it though.


I only have one minor addition. It is strongly believed that the people of Heaven's Gate, voluntarily took their lives because they believed in the teachings, not necessarily because they were told to, or forced.


Jonestown on the other hand... were forced to drink the koolaid, whether they believed in it or not. Its well documented because "Jim" left us incredible evidence called The Death Tape


Still, I think its awesome you're trying to bring this to light. People should always be wary of anything they follow blindly.


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Folks never know they are following blindly.....they are blind but dont know it.

But anyway Jonestown was an extream case. Most cults want to keep their warm bodies warm and those minds under wraps. More profit in it that way.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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you have a point
more sex in that way too



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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I'm surprised that no-one has dropped in to accuse the OP of being "spiritually blind" or "morally reprehensible" for spreading "disinfo." Some people are quick to defend charlatans and the deluded. Star, flag and bump.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Forevever
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you have a point
more sex in that way too


Our culture as a whole has sexual problems. Its easy and usefull for other reasons to expose the sexual misfits in these cults. But have you seen and do you know how sexual deviant our culture really is out there? Its like a boiling pot filled with all maner of sexual abuse that drives several intire industries. These cults out west and elsewhere are like children when they are put up against the porn industry meat market. Americans have developed a REAL taste for these sex cult porn producer high priests and support them financially and in fact consider it a right to indulge in.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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What a ridiculously stupid thread... Your ignorance is astounding and looks like you might be alble to have your own 'cult' following from your little retard-a-rant, the blind leading the blind...



Cults are very powerful. They are successful in imposing an outside belief pattern affecting human action. There are some very powerful cults. Cults can be very aggressive in their methods of growth and retainership of members. There have been many cases throughout all ages of history where people in extreme groups have done very extreme things. They have killed others brutally, like in the case of Charles Manson's cult. They have took their own lives en masse because told to do so by their leader, like in the Heaven's Gate Massacre of 1997 ( a comet was used as a sign to convince many people to kill themselves):


Perplexed as to how this ^^ is relevant in any way, where are the specific cults on ATS and where are people suggesting to others to go and top themselves? Yes, cults are powerful, destructive and dangerous, but please point me in the direction where there's a cult or following here on ATS...


I am very concerned about the Comet Elenin and 2012 stuff because it is deceiving many people in many ways,


Can you give examples of these 'many ways' and the 'many people'... Naturally, I expect 'many' examples...

And you need not be concerned my friend, for you are not in any position to help anyone, in fact I'd suggest getting back in your box until you realise that regurgitating garbage does not help anyone in any way...


just don't do anything extreme or let anyone tell you it is the end. They are liars and fear mongers.


I agree that no-one should do anything extreme... but to say that those warning others to prepare of the coming earth changes are liars and fear mongers just shows your lack of comprehension skills and an inability to process information...


No one has produced scientific evidence of Elenin coming near enough to the earth to have any physical effect at all.


You are an ignorant fool or YOU are a LIAR...

There's is a lot that points to Elenin being much more than just a 'comet' and there are many who already know that the main cause of M6 + earthquakes are caused between planetary alignments/passings... Mensur Omerbashich released a paper on the 4/11 through Cornell university that shows that this is the case, but he also shows that Elenin has been a major player and shows that its passings/alignments have alluded to some of the strongest quakes we've ever experienced.


I here demonstrate empirically my georesonator concept in which tidally induced magnification of Earth masses' resonance causes seismicity. To that end, I show that all strong (~M6+) earthquakes of 2010 occurred during the Earth's long (t>3 day) astronomical alignments within our solar system. I then show that the same holds true for all very strong (~M8+) earthquakes of the decade of 2000s. Finally, the strongest (M8.6+) earthquakes of the past century are shown to have occurred during the Earth's multiple long alignments, whereas half of the high-strongest (M9+) ones occurred during the Full Moon. I used the comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin), as it has been adding to robustness in terms of very strong seismicity since 2007 (in terms of strongest seismicity: since 1965). The Elenin will continue intensifying the Earth's very strong seismicity until August-October, 2011. Approximate forecast of earthquakes based on my discoveries is feasible. This demonstration proves my hyperresonator concept, arrived at earlier as a mathematical-physical solution to the most general extension of the georesonator concept possible.


His paper in PDF format can be found Here arxiv.org...

He's also made public announcements like this one:

PUBLIC NOTICE: The US Government stole this multibillion idea from me, and protected it under its name in a record-breaking time, within a year since I published the idea in my PhD thesis. They played dirty afterwords too: USPTO dragged my patent application for nearly five years, "lost" my filings/amendments a dozen times, provided wrong instructions at least four times, etc. Even prior to the theft, my PhD thesis final draft "got lost" in the US mail, thus extending my defense for more than half a year. Two PhD committees had resigned, and many other "nuisances" occurred along the way as well. Those included harassment by Canadian & US police, SWAT team with dogs and automatic weapons breaking in my apartment at 4 am, cops pulling me over and searching the vehicle and me (often at gunpoint with hands up, sometimes twice in a same day) over a hundred times during the last two years of my PhD, and other forms of pressure to leave my studies. In late Fall of 2010, USPTO has admitted that my PhD thesis idea is identical to what the Government had patented soon after my oral exam



Just because the Mayans purported calendar ends this year does not mean ours will.


Oh ya frickin genius... I don't actually see anyone claiming that?!? Yes, the Mayans have an 'end date' on their calendar and you think that others think that ours will end on the same date !!!! This is what you are suggesting, right? You are not making any sense by the way, another reason I suggest you go dwell in your basement for a few more years... No don't actually, go out, whip your shoes of and blink/stare at the sun, re-connect with earth, nature and de-calcify your third eye...

The Mayans are calling this transition period into the new age the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it and the Cherokee's ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012, the same as the Mayan calendar. Also according to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), it represents a time cycle that ends in year 2012 AD. www.abovetopsecret.com...

So ya, ours does not end, but 'many' do... See how I used examples to show you, clever eh?

Many other civilizations talk of this time of great change too, Tibetans and the golden age, Aztecs time of transformation, time of the sixth sun and the creation of a new race, Hopi tell of a period of purification the transition into the fifth world...

These folks (and others) have not had their spiritual roots severed, so subsequently have a much better idea and understanding of what is coming, many have had revelations and insights given to them... So ya as DJW001 suggested and something I'll reinforce for you, you along with the majority of Earth inhabitants are 'spiritually blind', goes for you too DJW001...


There is a ridiculous amount of wild speculation and belief with no foundation.


Maybe so, but not in my case... see above and below..


Just be careful and be prepared to be let down and confused afterwards. Don't do anything rash because of it.


Agreed...



Of course my own advice would be to have atleast some evidence theologically, historically, culturally.


Sure, but there are many cultural and historical references to great Earth changes, transformation and the transmutation of our current reality, and of celestial objects that could possibly be our sister/binary star that would scientifically be named a brown dwarf...

There is a star named wormwood in revelations that passes and it's dusty passage caused the waters to be bitter and the moon red (Due to the red iron oxide dust that makes up a Brown Dwarf)...

Hebrews named a celestial object the 'winged globe' possibly because it had the appearance of wings from chemical reactions taking place as dust is thrown into the atmosphere and beyond...

The Babylonians and Mesopotamians named a object Marduk and referred to it as 'The King of The Heavens' and 'The Great Heavenly Body....

Greeks named a body 'the destroyer' and 'nemisis'... and many prophets and sears talk of a red star, a blue star and have named it Katchina, Nangasohu and the purifier... It will come to signal the 'end times'...


I just want you to be free and not to fall prey to lies and deception. That is all.


Oh that's great and all... but it is you that is being decieved and lied to...

Do you think that I would be preying on others if I shared the information above?

Have I lied?

Have I been deceitful?

Do you want to join my cult?


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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by de1111codEiT
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What a ridiculously stupid thread... Your ignorance is astounding




coming earth changes


You are the one being ignorant and regurgitating, because that's all "you people" can do, too ignorant/lazy to use your own brain..but rather prefer the easy way to "believe" what others feed you as long as it fits into your belief system.

On several other threads i too already pointed out *astounding* similarities between nowadays 2012 and Elenin hype to what was going on in the early 1990. Unlike many members here, i was actually there and debated with those people...20 years ago. (This included "famous" Nancy Leader). Go and look up "Nibiru" on Wikipedia.

Do you have the slightest idea how OLD sentences like "the coming changes" are and how often i read that already, alone in the last 20 years?

There is as much "coming and imminent" changes as there was 20 years ago....or as there was even earlier when the first so called "contactees" and "channelers" stepped into public spreading their lies, some of them with the EXACT SAME WORDS as they do today.

If anything, there were no earth changes, let alone ascension - people actually got even more stupid than they were before.

Even more astounding that those same people who started to spread the lies (starting around 1991) were already wrong MULTIPLE times...

Spiritualism has NOTHING in the slightest to do with spreading fear, and maybe YOU should start looking why actually a very small group of people keeps fear mongering and lying for several decades already...and what agenda might there behind it.



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posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Perplexed as to how this ^^ is relevant in any way, where are the specific cults on ATS and where are people suggesting to others to go and top themselves? Yes, cults are powerful, destructive and dangerous, but please point me in the direction where there's a cult or following here on ATS...


You must be new here. For many, ATS is a cult, but there are many cults represented here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


And you need not be concerned my friend, for you are not in any position to help anyone, in fact I'd suggest getting back in your box until you realise that regurgitating garbage does not help anyone in any way...


Take your own advice; you will be regurgitating garbage in 3...2...1....


There's is a lot that points to Elenin being much more than just a 'comet' and there are many who already know that the main cause of M6 + earthquakes are caused between planetary alignments/passings... Mensur Omerbashich released a paper on the 4/11 through Cornell university that shows that this is the case, but he also shows that Elenin has been a major player and shows that its passings/alignments have alluded to some of the strongest quakes we've ever experienced.


There it is. HRH Mensur Omersbashich is a complete fraud. The only paper he has ever had published in a peer reviewed journal was one in which he was a research assistant. His troubles with the US government probably arise from his being associated with right wing Serbian militants. You know, the genocide people. Anyway, the Cornell archive site clearly states:


Disclaimer: Papers will be entered in the listings in order of receipt on an impartial basis and appearance of a paper is not intended in any way to convey tacit approval of its assumptions, methods, or conclusions by any agent (electronic, mechanical, or other). We reserve the right to reject any inappropriate submissions.

arxiv.org...

Rather than waste time critiquing the paper again, I encourage you to use askabovetopsecret.


He's also made public announcements like this one:


And these:


Royal Family says English installing Hitler-like dictator Obama in US via "Super Congress" con already seen with German Enabling Act of 1933...

Royal Family disgusted by a Sephardic Jew one impostor "Bakir Izetbegovic" walking around Europe "representing" Bosnia his tribe is usurping

Royal Family calls Catholic leader Covic a traitor for agreeing to today’s assembling of putschist "Parliament of BiH"; Bosnia now breakable

Royal Family shares pain of victims’ families in the aftermath of today's crime against humanity by demonic instant-state so-called "Israel"

Royal Family regards Benedict XVI as Antipope (in service of Empress Elizabeth), equates his invite to EU with a cat shaking hand to a mouse

bosniafordummies.blogspot.com...

Nothing the least bit cult-like about this lunatic and his political and scientific opinions, is there?


The Mayans are calling this transition period into the new age the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it and the Cherokee's ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012, the same as the Mayan calendar. Also according to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), it represents a time cycle that ends in year 2012 AD. www.abovetopsecret.com...


No, the Mayans are saying no such thing. New Age cult leaders are twisting the beliefs of a number of cultures in order to instill fear in their disciples and make money in the process. You yourself seem to be well programmed to deliver the party line.


Many other civilizations talk of this time of great change too, Tibetans and the golden age, Aztecs time of transformation, time of the sixth sun and the creation of a new race, Hopi tell of a period of purification the transition into the fifth world...


Don't mix the Tibetans up in this! There are hundreds of thousands of years left in Kali Yuga!

Reading your post is almost physically painful; you are so full of anger, contempt and hatred... the very stuff of Kali Yuga, and yet you seem to be making some sort of claim to spiritual insight. You are not doing anyone any favors by defending the lies of Lucus, Terral and the Doom Patrol. You are only contributing to the climate of fear that makes true spiritual perception difficult.

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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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You must be new here. For many, ATS is a cult, but there are many cults represented here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


No I'm not new, just don't spend much time here, besides they are NOT cults or followings that are a threat to anybody...

The first link is ET_MAN's 'Warning from the Benevolents'... With a staggering 307 Flags and one of the biggest threads on ATS with 5555 reply's.... What basis are you claiming that it is a cult, you have either misread, misinterpreted or are just playing a silly little game with others and yourself, the thread nor ET_MAN show any signs of being a cult or cult leader, in fact it is quite the opposite... I have a good idea as to why you portray such a warped perception of things... paycheck?

That thread is a tool for those who were meant to see it, it's also quite clear that there are many different agendas by totally anonymous persons with similar perceptions and ideas yet still conflicting on minor details so not like a cult in anyway...

For instance I've had some 'out there' experiences including... spontaneous past life regression, visions and premonitions that came to fruition (my latest one being that of a Red/Orange second sun) and contact with beings and ET's of the negative and positive kind... So a lot of what ET_MAN spoke of rang true with me due to my personal experiences...

I was directed to ATS and specifically to that thread... In FACT.....I made my first ever post on that thread...

It was a poem... I will share it... yet know that it'll be beyond your current state of awareness...

I lay in bed caught up in my mind
Forever avoiding the daily grind

I think about love and past memories
And how I believe things should be

While wishing I could just be me
Without being worried how I'm perceived

I wanted to leave so to seek out the light
'That is not what you signed up for' I was told in the night

'Getting light in is the name of the game'
I hear them call out along with my name

They are always there to nudge and guide
And sometimes contact with comical surprise

Angels, Arcturians, are one in the same
Enlightened, loving, helping me play the game

Fact, fiction or tricks of the mind
The truth lies within for all to find

Follow this process of seeking within
If you wish to understand the world we live in

Troubled times are ahead I've seen and believe
We must rally together in these times of need

'There is nothing to fear' is the message I hear
'But be awake and aware for the time is near'

So out with the old and in with the new
Some believe we are cosmic stew

Do not listen to the clowns pushing doom
Now is the time to show we can bloom



The second link... must be some sort of joke or you are extremely stupid, I'm going with the latter for the time being.

1 Flag, 0 Stars...... And has nothing to do with Elenin or the elusive date that is 2012, the majority of replys state what a lunatic he is and I agree, yet hardly a 'cult' and do you seriously think that he'd be have any negative effects on anyone? ..I can't believe you just used that as justification for this thread... or as a 'cult on ATS'...But to be fair, I haven't laughed that hard for a while and for that I thank you...

The third link...

0 Flag 0 Stars...... Oh such huge and dangerous 'cult' following with no relation to Elenin and 2012... FAIL

The forth link...

I haven't the time to review the information in the link, but already it is quite clear that their is not a 'cult' or following there.......poster 'Austexdude' claims to be 'Lucus' who runs 'The rabbit hole'... He shows no signs of being a cult leader of any sort...

All of those links provided are frivolous, all you've done is shown how stupid you're willing to look and that your true colors and blatant agenda is shining through for all to see..


There it is. HRH Mensur Omersbashich is a complete fraud. The only paper he has ever had published in a peer reviewed journal was one in which he was a research assistant.
Anyway, the Cornell archive site clearly states:


Disclaimer: Papers will be entered in the listings in order of receipt on an impartial basis and appearance of a paper is not intended in any way to convey tacit approval of its assumptions, methods, or conclusions by any agent (electronic, mechanical, or other). We reserve the right to reject any inappropriate submissions.


Seriously? So going by your logic any papers released through Cornell that are not peer reviewed are garbage? I can tell that you do not have a scientific background, because what you are trying to insinuate it total BS...

I personally do not agree or fully understand his geophysics concept, but what I cannot and will not dismiss is that he's made the same correlations between planetary alignments/passings and earthquakes that I had. Even a Layman can make the same connections and it is not a case of cherry picking as I'm sure you'll try and dismiss by saying this and by saying correlation does not mean causation...



Rather than waste time critiquing the paper again, I encourage you to use askabovetopsecret.


I don't believe for one second that you have the ability to critique his paper, at least not with any conviction, in fact you've shown to have very little knowledge in almost all areas... but please rather than giving me a link to the search engine, why don't you link me to your critique...

I hate being proven wrong, so here's your chance, but regardless your critique will not change the FACT that I and many have made the same connections in regards to Earthquake's and planetary alignments including Elenin...

ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

ireport.cnn.com...

Elenin has been causing quakes or the master manipulators (TPTB) have been very cleverly causing quakes with advanced technologies that coincide with the passing/alignments that take place on JPL's orbital diagram...

And as for Mensurs political views...well unfortunately it has absolutely nothing to do with his paper, but it's the only tactics 'you guys' have got, tarnish the man, the messenger but not the message...

And if you're referring to Mensur as a lunatic, I would be genuinely interested in what class or category of 'nut job' you'd put me in...


No, the Mayans are saying no such thing.


Yes they are... You LIE... Suprise...surprise...


3... 2... 1... You will attack Drunvalo and ignore the message from the Mayans...



You yourself seem to be well programmed to deliver the party line.


That's funny... I've just spent the last two years de-programming myself from the barrage of BS that was bestowed upon me by Earth's indoctrination camps (schools), obviously I still have many human traits that are hard to get rid of due to the wholly hostile and backwards nature of this planet... but whatever...


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posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 05:25 AM
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Reading your post is almost physically painful; you are so full of anger, contempt and hatred... the very stuff of Kali Yuga, and yet you seem to be making some sort of claim to spiritual insight. You are not doing anyone any favors by defending the lies of Lucus, Terral and the Doom Patrol. You are only contributing to the climate of fear that makes true spiritual perception difficult.


Ermm yeah, I'm angry, pissed off and have ran out of tolerance and patience for idiots, morons and agents, you will get no apology from me, for I AM happy with who I AM... but yeah there's a lot of pent up energy within me and I do have trouble trying to convey my true feelings with written words without getting frustrated and looking like a total arse... Any issues people have with me will still be their issues...

I do not claim to be 'spiritually enlightened' and have very little 'spiritual insight', but I am not here to get caught up in spiritual significance, my assignments are of a different nature.

I have no idea who Terral and the doom patrol are?

I desire to spread truth, not fear. I am sorry that you seem hell bent on ignoring this...



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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So ..........OP show me how Islam is any different from an extreme cult?



posted on Aug, 5 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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I was directed to ATS and specifically to that thread... In FACT.....I made my first ever post on that thread...


Apparently you followed your instructions well. You have become so assimilated you are no longer aware that you are in a cult!


The second link... must be some sort of joke or you are extremely stupid, I'm going with the latter for the time being.


So you don't think that someone who claims that he is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ isn't trying to start a cult? I didn't say that it was a terribly successful attempt, but "Ra-El" was correct in thinking that ATS is potentially fertile ground.


The third link...

0 Flag 0 Stars...... Oh such huge and dangerous 'cult' following with no relation to Elenin and 2012... FAIL


Did I say that the Raelians had anything to do with 2012 or Comet Elenin? I was simply pointing out that ATS has many cultists represented here. (BTW, the Raelians are watched very closely by the police and security services. Someone seems to think they are potentially dangerous.)


I haven't the time to review the information in the link, but already it is quite clear that their is not a 'cult' or following there.......poster 'Austexdude' claims to be 'Lucus' who runs 'The rabbit hole'... He shows no signs of being a cult leader of any sort...


Apparently, you do not quite understand what the word "cult" means.


Seriously? So going by your logic any papers released through Cornell that are not peer reviewed are garbage? I can tell that you do not have a scientific background, because what you are trying to insinuate it total BS...


You missed the point entirely... it was not "released through Cornell," it was posted on its server. For all intents and purposes, it is a blog. It was posted without peer review because its author knew it would not be accepted if submitted to a legitimate journal. Granted, that doesn't necessarily mean it's garbage, but if you read and understood the paper, as I have, you would understand why it is. What makes you think I don't have a scientific background again?


I personally do not agree or fully understand his geophysics concept, but what I cannot and will not dismiss is that he's made the same correlations between planetary alignments/passings and earthquakes that I had. Even a Layman can make the same connections and it is not a case of cherry picking as I'm sure you'll try and dismiss by saying this and by saying correlation does not mean causation...


Wrong again. I'm not going to say "correlation does not mean causation" because there is no correlation. Given how wide the margins allowed for the "alignments" are, the earthquakes are no different than would be statistically expected: there are over 100 6.0+ earthquakes every year, which means that the odds are that you will get one within three days of any given date. There will be a 6.0+ earthquake within three days of your birthday, there will be a 6.0+ earthquake within three days of your next dentist appointment... are you causing these earthquakes?


I don't believe for one second that you have the ability to critique his paper, at least not with any conviction, in fact you've shown to have very little knowledge in almost all areas... but please rather than giving me a link to the search engine, why don't you link me to your critique...


In no particular order:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I hate being proven wrong, so here's your chance, but regardless your critique will not change the FACT that I and many have made the same connections in regards to Earthquake's and planetary alignments including Elenin...


The FACT is that you and many others have been mistaken because of "confirmation bias." Since you know more about science than I do, I assume I don't have to explain that to you.


3... 2... 1... You will attack Drunvalo and ignore the message from the Mayans...


No, I will ignore Drunvalo and ask you to provide me with a link to primary sources... you know, the "ancient scriptures" that these prophecies are supposedly recorded in. Preferably in the original hieroglyphic form so I can cross check the translations. Do you believe everything you see on YouTube without question?

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