You know who the real Jews are, the smartest people on earth who are blessed by God, the evidence in in their God blessed skills in Science, Journalism, Economics, Technological Invention, Movies and History.
That is the just the few million who are left from a whom they call them selves Jews.

The Bible backs their claim,
yes they can be stubborn
yes they can lose their faith and forget Israel
yes God will help them when they regain their faith
yes God inspire by the Spirit his promised people
They have rebuilt Israel like prophecy of the endtimes foretold

What more evidence do people need,

Even their foreheads are larger sizes than the average person their eyes are straight on meaning they have less genetic corrosion in their dna.

There is a Hierarchy of blessing,

Jews because of their promise by God and their genetic line.

The spiritually blessed who believe in Christ and bless Israel as a nation, USA and UK and Europe etc.

Ishmaelites Arabs because of Gods promise to them.

The curse of being cast to the dessert by Rebekah where they still wonder and make nations of the evidence is that Arabs live in dessert filled countries, they could have discovered America or overtaken Europe but they did not.

Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."

Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."


Many Jews were expelled from Arab countries in the last century alone it is not done by the Arabs so they could not have been forced to set up Israel on purpose, man forces the issue or God pushes the buttons of direction. If God is pushing the buttons you know that these Jews are the ones that have been chosen to fulfill the endtimes.


Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."

The Jews brought much of Israel with money it was not all invasion.

Israel - Reborn in a day

Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.

Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."

The order of the return

The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.

Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."

Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.


The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."


No one else really had this much passion on a wasteland to create inovative ways to bring water and power to grow food and run water in a land where not much attention and hope of restoration was likely to happen.

It is like saying the place name Jerusalem is not in the Koran.

Jerusalem derives from Salem in its oldest form in the Bible.

I think modern Israel is prophecied Israel we have today, it could be that all those nations blessing Israel today could be considered by God as the embodyment of all Israel that is why people no matter who they are and believe in Christ are spiritual decendents of Abraham.

Galatians 3:29

And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you.

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Predicted throughout the whole Bible for the endtimes will result in a cimax in that region which involve the surrounding nations and tribes.

Psalm 83[a]
A song. A psalm of Asaph.
1 O God, do not remain silent;
do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God.
2 See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”

5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—
6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.
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So by going to the centre of gravity even though you can not see the map the endtime problems come from these parts and many other nations and people alike otherwise why would there be an opposite force against it that would come afterwards who built this army of people to go against the idea of Jews and Israel?

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Also compare verses about Jerusalem with ones about to Great whore
Jerusalem = Great whore

Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come ALL the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" - Matthew 23:34-37


and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations." 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.
-Revelation 17:5

Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more... 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of ALL who have been slain on earth."
-Revelation 18:21


Remember, these verses are from the bible.

You have the word Israelite in the Bible for example,
They have found ancient Menorah’s the candlestick symbols all over Israel being uncovered today.
Egyptian hieroglyphs and writing states Israelites,
Ancient carvings in writing state Biblical accounts.
Ancient tombs of the prophets in Israel and the Middle East prove the prophets.

Muslims claim the prophets were Muslims so how come there were Jews killing them if Jews did not exist by name? So if the ancient people and believers were Muslims then it was Muslims killing Muslims and they have to blame themselves on that part not just the so called Jews that did not exist. Even the Koran blames the Jews for killing the prophets how come they existed in killing them by what religion were they going by?

The Jews are the ones that hold the promises of God for when he returns, but evidence is the prophecy saying how man has driven Jews out of nations from Arab countries and Europe so that God puts it in them to become a nation, and back then when the UN had more faith realised that this was the case, the world turned evil and had to defeat evil and when they lose this faith the dark forces will take over like it or not.

Modern Israel and Iraq were both founded by the a British Mandate because the Ottoman empire fell and they were open nations, the Arabs got Iraq and the Jews got Israel, cannot be fairer than that.

Jews will mock Jesus Christ but they need to accept him first before his coming, it is for their redemption and man has tried to stop that, they have stopped themselves too but more and more Jews are becoming Messianic Jews, they are starting to believe and when that happens with the Gospel is preached to the world Christ will come, but many forces are out there trying to stop it.

Babylon is Babylon Iraq, the river Euphrates is there no where else, it is where Biblical Eden is situated.


These prophecies in Revelation is future as well, the testimony of Christ is tested on the people before they are killed by it. Today many Christians are beheaded in Muslim countries no one else has the sword on their flag even the Koreans are at it, it happens in Africa and all over the world like some religion to say kill the Christian because of blasphemy.


Genesis 12:2-3. God is speaking to Abraham. “I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you,and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

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This is what other people on ATS have said also in other topics.

Notes about Jews
• The Jewish Population is 0.2% of the World.
• 22% of all Nobel Science Prizes ever Awarded were to Jews.
• 29% of all Nobel Prizes Since 1950 to Jews (After the Holocaust).
• 85% of the people in the world with an IQ over 170 are Jews.
• Every author in the Bible was Jewish.
• Salvation comes from the Jews (John 4:22).
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What the New Testament says about the Jews.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Romans 3:2
Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.


Nehemiah 9

26 “But they were disobedient and rebelled against you; they turned their backs on your law. They killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you; they committed awful blasphemies. 27 So you delivered them into the hands of their enemies, who oppressed them. But when they were oppressed they cried out to you. From heaven you heard them, and in your great compassion you gave them deliverers, who rescued them from the hand of their enemies.

28 “But as soon as they were at rest, they again did what was evil in your sight. Then you abandoned them to the hand of their enemies so that they ruled over them. And when they cried out to you again, you heard from heaven, and in your compassion you delivered them time after time.


(God has compassion over them in the Bible)



Deuteronomy 14:2
2 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.


Romans 11:28-29
New International Version (NIV)
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.


Romans 9
Paul’s Anguish Over Israel
1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, 4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen.


The story is not over, the Jews or Isralites still need to fulfill their destiny and the future is not yet set but the signs are coming good and bad.

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I will leave this thread for another because otherwise I am going to sound argumentative and it will go on and on and we are all people and each person in the real world would act differently face to face and because of the gap between texting and showing a human side does not always come across as it should, some people write better than others and maybe I lack that skill on here.

When it is convenient for Zionism to be couched in religious terms, it is. When it is inconvenient, it isnt.

When it is convenient for Zionism to be couched in ethnic terms, it is. When it is inconvenient, it isnt.

When it is convenient for Zionism to be couched in historical, political, or athiestic terms, it is. When it is inconvenient, it isnt.

Zionism can be everything, and nothing. Vagueness and lack of definition are often presented as rhetorical disadvantages, but in actual fact they provide enormously powerful defenses. To argue against something, first you have to be able to define it. Zionism resists definition, allowing its proponants to nimbly outwit critics and taylor arguments for different contingencies.

George Orwell had some things to say about this strategic tact...