The zionist conspiracy to destroy religion from within

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I am simply going to let the video do the talking.

In a summary, the video starts off with a Muslim imam talk about the origins of modern day jews lie in the Khazar peoples... and how they go on to start the zionist movement (which for some reason, is portrayed as being inherently jewish). He explains how the zionist movement was not exactly religious. (google : Theodr Herzl + atheist) and that the political idea of zionism is radically different from Judaism...and also how they changed the face of Europe. He also talks of how zionism works AGAINST the religions of people.

The speaker goes on to highlight jewish achievements and notes the khazar jews are unlike any other peoples in the world. (!!!)

And finally, he easily refutes the popular notion that Islam is at war with Judaism and Christianity.

Please watch till the end... where the speaker points out that Islam, as a religion, is NOT opposed to Jews and Christian. (10:09 in the video)

Hope you enjoy.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Not this Khazar crap again. It's like stacking fallacies into a tower.

Zionism is bad because...
...It was started by Jews...
....Who weren't really Jews....
.....But were instead Khazars.....
......Because for some reason bloodline matters with religion......
.......because the Bible tells us so.......

I mean really. it's not hard to argue against zionism on the basis of zionism itself - it's a imperialist, nationalist ideology that purports only a certain ethnic group is truly "human" and that others are not worthy of consideration beyond what they can provide for the "real" people. Why need to conjure up a fallacy tower for this, just go for the goddamned throat.

As for the Khazars, they got roflstomped by the Mongols along with everyone else, and honestly didn't make much of an impact on anything in history.

Muslims are the new Jews and the Zionist are the new Nazi's. How is it possible that the Zionist who helped Hitler persecute the Jews end up ruling Israel? Zionism is even spreading here in the states and it's pushing islamophobia on the public to the point where people are acting like it's Berlin back in the 30's. When is the world going to wake up and see how truly evil Zionism is.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox



At least you understand the premise of this thread.

......Because for some reason bloodline matters with religion......

The jewish claim of "choseness" rests on bloodline.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The jewish claim of "choseness" rests on bloodline.

That depends on which Jew, which sect, when, according to whose teachings, etc.

The claim I usually see is "Jews are really the descendants of Khazars so they aren't really Jews!" - which is blatantly false on both counts. As I said, the Khazar had negligible impact on anything; their current descendants are either Sunni and Sufi Muslims, or Eastern orthodox Christians. Second, if someone practices Judaism or identifies as "culturally Jewish" then, well, they get to call themselves Jewish.

Ah well. it's ATS, I guess I can't expect anything terribly new

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


They are Jews. History is clear on this. Ishmael still thinks it has the Abrahamic birthright. This is bias against their brother speaking. Ketzer is German for Khazar and means heretic or Jew. LINK

"Quotes 1,000-year-old Arab historian, "The Khazars and their King are all Jews...some are of the opinion that Gog and Magog are the Khazars."

"Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to Christianity. They adopted Islam when forced, repudiating it when safe." LINK

"The Byzantines persecuted the Jews many of who fled to Khazaria in Southern Russia. Meanwhile the Arabs conquered Babylonia and mistreated the Jews as well as everybody else so from here too many moved into Khazaria. The King of the Khazars along with many of his nobles and Khazar subjects converted to Judaism. The Khazars were actually a small group but they ruled over many others. Most of the converts to Judaism came from the Khazars and Alans and not from the other peoples. Both the Khazars and Alans were descended from the Ten Tribes of Israel." LINK

"Jewish settlements in the Ukraine can be traced back to the 8th century. During the period of the Khazar kingdom, Jews lived on the banks of the River Dnieper and in the east and south of the Ukraine and the Crimea. The Kingdom was considered the most influential of the medieval period because of its economic and diplomatic standing. The Khazars, an ancient nomadic Turkic people who reached the lower Volga region in the 6th century, were held in high esteem by the pope and other national leaders and played a major role in solving the region’s conflicts. The Khazars’s Empire, at its height between the 8th and 10th centuries, extended from the northern shores of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea as far west as Kiev. Jewish refugees from the Byzantium, Persia and Mesopotamia regions — fleeing from persecution by Christians throughout Europe, settled in the Kingdom because the Khazars allowed them to practice their own religion." LINK

reply to post by SuperiorEd

They are Jews. History is clear on this. Ishmael still thinks it has the Abrahamic birthright. This is bias against their brother speaking. Ketzer is German for Khazar and means heretic or Jew.

The Abrahamic blessing is made pretty clear. This thread really is not about the Abrahamic birthright at all... I am not even bringing that up. Instead this thread, as you can see is about the fact that modern day jews are of European origin.

"Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to Christianity. They adopted Islam when forced, repudiating it when safe." LINK

Well, you have posted a link that repeats the contents of Koestlers research which talks of Khazars becoming jews...and being of European origin.
Here are the first three lines from the link you posted....


Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic.
Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
the-red-thread.net...


Edit: I was just going through that site and noticed it makes some ridiculous claims, such as the 12 tribes of Israel being modern day Caucasian Europeans!!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

The claim I usually see is "Jews are really the descendants of Khazars so they aren't really Jews!" - which is blatantly false on both counts. As I said, the Khazar had negligible impact on anything; their current descendants are either Sunni and Sufi Muslims, or Eastern orthodox Christians. Second, if someone practices Judaism or identifies as "culturally Jewish" then, well, they get to call themselves Jewish.

Im not saying "Jews are really the descendants of Khazars so they aren't really Jews".

Im just saying that a vast majority of jews are Khazars... and people, especially supporters of Jews are ignorant of it. These are people infatuated with jews and are deluded that they are direct descendants of the Israelites, and bear a genetic link to Abraham and Isaac.

The main point here is that Judaism is based on bloodlines.
From a strictly scriptural point of view, its not as simple as calling who someone practising judaism a "jew" and getting over with it. (Non-semites are welcome to turn to a semitic religon, but thats not the point.)

The Khazar issue is regarding a non-semitic population converting to judaism, and then being falsely portrayed as being descendants of the ancient Israelites... when in reality they are NOT.
Regardless of your general view on religion, I feel it has major implications towards semitic Jews, christians and muslims...especially those who support Israel/Jews on religious grounds.

You seem to miss the point. The video you posted is an Islamic attempt to paint a broad smoke screen across the Jewish tribes as some type of single-minded conspiracy. The Jewish people are many tribes representing many parts of the world. Not only this, they are not all of the same perspective when it comes to religion or government leanings. There is no conspiracy other than the normal divisions that any nation experiences at the hands of the influence of evil at work in the world.

America is a good example of a many flavored landscape. Most nations are a mix of divided factions. This is the true conspiracy at work in the world. To paint this as a Zionist conspiracy is in error. The enemy is not mankind. It is the enemy that seeks to divide and conquer by stealing, killing and destroying. God represents honor, protection, freedom, liberty and justice. Oddly enough, America and Israel are the founders of this concept.

No matter our beliefs regarding faith, the evidence is that the Bible, printed in English, produced the high level of literacy that moved 70 million people to seek freedom in the reformation of the church. This single event moved the printing press along the road to mass education of humanity and gave us the industrial and technological revolutions by the motivation of virtue and truth. This is a byproduct of faith in God. No other source can claim this honor. Tyranny is a byproduct of to old system of divining and conquering for the benefit of the few. Hopefully mankind is waking to this deception. I am merely trying to point out that the enemy is not man.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

They are Jews. History is clear on this. Ishmael still thinks it has the Abrahamic birthright. This is bias against their brother speaking. Ketzer is German for Khazar and means heretic or Jew.

The Abrahamic blessing is made pretty clear. This thread really is not about the Abrahamic birthright at all... I am not even bringing that up. Instead this thread, as you can see is about the fact that modern day jews are of European origin.

"Jews fled Rome and Greece to Khazaria to avoid forced conversion to Christianity. They adopted Islam when forced, repudiating it when safe." LINK

Well, you have posted a link that repeats the contents of Koestlers research which talks of Khazars becoming jews...and being of European origin.
Here are the first three lines from the link you posted....


Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic.
Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
the-red-thread.net...

Edit: I was just going through that site and noticed it makes some ridiculous claims, such as the 12 tribes of Israel being modern day Caucasian Europeans!!

edit on 31-7-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

reply to post by SuperiorEd

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You seem to miss the point. The video you posted is an Islamic attempt to paint a broad smoke screen across the Jewish tribes as some type of single-minded conspiracy.

The facts remain facts... whether spoken by an islamic imam or a voodoo priest.

It cannot be an "attempt to paint a broad smoke screen across the Jewish tribes as some type of single-minded conspiracy", for the simple reason that the speaker differentiates between European and Semitic jews several times during the video.

The Jewish people are many tribes representing many parts of the world. Not only this, they are not all of the same perspective when it comes to religion or government leanings. There is no conspiracy other than the normal divisions that any nation experiences at the hands of the influence of evil at work in the world.

Yes, the jews are many tribes representing many parts of the world and there are differences between them. I dont dispute that at all... but I am not talking about the jews in general. The OPs focus is clearly on zionism, and the non-semitic jews behind the ideology.

As for the evil at work in the world, evil works through people and/or various ideologies.... as history as shown.

America is a good example of a many flavored landscape. Most nations are a mix of divided factions. This is the true conspiracy at work in the world. To paint this as a Zionist conspiracy is in error. The enemy is not mankind. It is the enemy that seeks to divide and conquer by stealing, killing and destroying.

Yes, most nations are a mix of divided factions... leading to conflict and strife. Thats obvious.
The jewish situation is a little unique because..

a)The religon of the original "jews" a.k.a children of Israel, is based on the concept of bloodline...
This is needs to be factored in any discussion of zionism and jews.
b) A variant of that religon has been hijacked by people who are not of this bloodline and is being used to fuel a political ideology known as zionism.

Zionism is an irreligious political movement started off by "jews" who are NOT of semitic bloodlines, yet ironically enjoys support from religious factions (namely the christians and the jews). However, Zionism is no friend of religion. Which is why there is a significant amount of religious jews speaking against the concept of Zionism.

Now, please bear in mind that I am NOT against the non-semites who became jews. Im sure there are plenty of them who oppose zionism.

God represents honor, protection, freedom, liberty and justice. Oddly enough, America and Israel are the founders of this concept.

Im sorry, but...America and Israel are founders of what exactly? Could you please elaborate?
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

God represents honor, protection, freedom, liberty and justice. Oddly enough, America and Israel are the founders of this concept.

Im sorry, but...America and Israel are founders of what exactly? Could you please elaborate?

The Bible brought a unified language to mankind. Before the English Bible, a person could travel the territories of the Holy Roman Empire and not find a single dialect that was the same. Around this time, the printing press was invented and then used to print indulgences by the Catholic Church for forgiveness of sins. This marks the point at which the church begins to transform into modern Christianity. The vast majority of the world was illiterate. Martin Luther comes along with his 95 thesis, printed on the new press, nailing it to the doors of the apostate church. This single act by one man changed the course of ALL history for mankind.

Follow the history and 70 million people fled Europe for freedom on a new continent. This freedom was based on the reformers of the early church. By WWI, literacy was 93% and English was fast becoming a dominant language. The Bible is 100% responsible for this, the industrial revolution, civil rights, the abolition of slavery and the technological revolution. (And no, modern slavery is not condoned in the Bible. Biblical servitude was a form of welfare, legal punishment or by choice. It had nothing to do with forced labor.)

Apart from the printing of the Bible and the virtue that it taught men, our current world would still be in the dark ages.

It is just very ironic that the Jewish people basically control all the media today. The media and propaganda was the same thing which almost completely destroyed them under Hitler, so who would know first hand the power of the media but the Jews. I am not sure if you can call it a conspiracy but it is true that a Jewish person will predominatly hire only a fellow Jew, this is very apparent in the entertainment industry, where 90% of the performers are Jewish. People are easy to call racism, but the fact that remains that Jews control a vast amount of the media, banking industry, and Israel has a very strong grip on the United States government. A large number of the hire ups in the US government are dual American/Israeli citizens. These are facts, not conspiracy and not many people notice the trend.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


You wrote:

["The Bible is 100% responsible for this, the industrial revolution, civil rights, the abolition of slavery and the technological revolution. (And no, modern slavery is not condoned in the Bible. Biblical servitude was a form of welfare, legal punishment or by choice. It had nothing to do with forced labor.)"]

Only when considered from your VERY convoluted, cottage-industry 'theory-of-everything' perspective.

Quote: ["Apart from the printing of the Bible and the virtue that it taught men, our current world would still be in the dark ages."]

The christianity-faction you apparantly represent IS the dark-age illness, not the cure. Just as judaism has manifested in better and worse versions, so has christianity. Both ultimately polarizing in the opposites of co-existence or fascistic ideology.

You define the US and Israel as radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideologies?

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

You wrote:

["The Bible is 100% responsible for this, the industrial revolution, civil rights, the abolition of slavery and the technological revolution. (And no, modern slavery is not condoned in the Bible. Biblical servitude was a form of welfare, legal punishment or by choice. It had nothing to do with forced labor.)"]

Only when considered from your VERY convoluted, cottage-industry 'theory-of-everything' perspective.

Quote: ["Apart from the printing of the Bible and the virtue that it taught men, our current world would still be in the dark ages."]

The christianity-faction you apparantly represent IS the dark-age illness, not the cure. Just as judaism has manifested in better and worse versions, so has christianity. Both ultimately polarizing in the opposites of co-existence or fascistic ideology.

edit on 2-8-2011 by bogomil because: addition

reply to post by SuperiorEd

The Bible is 100% responsible for this, the industrial revolution, civil rights, the abolition of slavery and the technological revolution.

Humans have been making advances in science since the dawn of civilization... regardless of their religous beliefs.
For example, consider the sumerians who invented writing in the first place... will you attribute it to their religious beliefs. Can we now say that the writers of the bible owe it to the ancient Sumerians who invented writing in the first place?

I find it kinda funny that you said the video was going to do the talking, then you immediately starting talking about it. Nothing big, just a nice early morning pick me up.

reply to post by spotle99


Eh, a little synopsis of the video to get people to know what the vids about and get a discussion started.

Before the flood, Hermes brought the sciences to mankind. He was known as Hermes to the Greeks, Thoth to the Egyptians and Enoch in the Bible. You can read the history on all three and draw parallels to Enoch. The Book of Jasher ch. 3-4 should give you the information you need to connect Enoch to Genesis. Read ch. 4 in Jasher and you see the story behind Genesis ch. 6 where the divine beings were the Sumarian rulers of the earth that corrupted the seed of mankind before the flood. You can read the Book of Enoch I to see the rest of the picture where the beings were called the watchers of men. Enoch was the intermediary between man and God.

Enoch was around when the pyramids were built as a monument to the Lord (Isaiah 19 calls the pyramids the monument to the Lord near the border of Egypt). Abraham's seed then leads to Joseph in Egypt followed by Moses being schooled in Hermetic philosophy. The rest is history.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

The Bible is 100% responsible for this, the industrial revolution, civil rights, the abolition of slavery and the technological revolution.

Humans have been making advances in science since the dawn of civilization... regardless of their religous beliefs.
For example, consider the sumerians who invented writing in the first place... will you attribute it to their religious beliefs. Can we now say that the writers of the bible owe it to the ancient Sumerians who invented writing in the first place?

edit on 3-8-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)