7000+ Accounts and 70 Police sites taken down in the name of AntiSec

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If I can help get this back on track. Your opinions are absolutely valid here. Please don't become angry and post hastily, forgetting proper argumentative techniques and behavior. Nobody wants to see a thread full of people who agree all patting each other on the back. There would be no point.

You describe this as a coward's war. I would like to know why you feel that way. Personally, I fought in Iraq and a few other places America isn't supposed to be. I don't find Anonymous to be cowards in the least. QUITE the opposite actually. It's also my experience seeing the inner workings of federal power that turned me into who I am today.

Do you disagree with things Anonymous has done as a whole or just specific ops? Obviously not this OP but... Surely, they have done something, if only one, to make you nod your head.

ETA: I had a feeling you were former military as well. Believe me, I understand how you feel now. While in, and for a long time after discharge, I looked down on civilians. Surely nobody could relate to what I had been through right? Well after being out for awhile, I can feel certain things creeping back in. Slight insecurity in my future. Doubts about what I can achieve on my own. But I see Anonymous and I see great hope. Those that took the initiative, without our rigorous training, to take it upon themselves to not only truly defend the Constitution of The United States, but to help secure liberty and the will of the people across the globe by whatever resources they have available to them.

Originally posted by SpringHeeledJack
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I figured internet control and censorship violated the Fourth Amendment and the feeling was universal. Apparently it's a matter of perspective. Like I said, I hope you don't hold to strong a belief that you're not willing to continue to learn more on the subject.

Maybe you know all there is to know on the facts of the matter. Maybe you truly feel this way based on a wealth of knowledge from both sides of the debate. No way to be sure.

I want you to know anonymous has your best interests in mind and only has the best of intentions. They cannot be stopped. They will never stop. I'm of the opinion that were government to seize control, Anonymous would find a way to circumvent that. It's only a matter of time. Best of luck to you.

Wow, You told me to research the 4th Amendment? roflmfao,,,

Internet control and censorship has nothing whatsoever to do with the fourth. What in gods green earth does that have to do with unreasonable searches or seizures?

Anonymous has never had any ones best interests in heart and they never had any good intentions. No maybe they cannot be stopped, but they should stop. I'm of the opinion that if and when the government does seize control, Anonymous would be the first ones up against the wall. Its only a matter of time.

How dare you assume what is good for me, You are no better than the government. It makes you and those like you no better than the government.

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer

I agree, it's not about the 4th amendment. It's about being able to read what you want whether it's a bomb making manual or a fairy tale, speak your mind whether it is for or against any government or politician and not have your name placed on a watch list somewhere because you have to have a digital ID. It's a speech suppression tool for the government to hammer citizens with.

Well even if you were known on the net the only thing holding you back from reading "How to make a bomb" would be your self. Its not against the law to have a book such as that. Hell I can go to the local book store here and buy the Anarchist Cookbook.

What you google and look up, is not speech. What you write on sites like this are. Most of these hackers and groups only care about their RIGHT to steal and rip people off.

reply to post by Reaper2137


"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Surely the founding fathers could not have foreseen the advent of the internet. I do not believe in loose interpretation of the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment does not require it. Does constant monitoring not constitute an ongoing search?

Originally posted by SpringHeeledJack
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

If I can help get this back on track. Your opinions are absolutely valid here. Please don't become angry and post hastily, forgetting proper argumentative techniques and behavior. Nobody wants to see a thread full of people who agree all patting each other on the back. There would be no point.

You describe this as a coward's war. I would like to know why you feel that way. Personally, I fought in Iraq and a few other places America isn't supposed to be. I don't find Anonymous to be cowards in the least. QUITE the opposite actually. It's also my experience seeing the inner workings of federal power that turned me into who I am today.

Do you disagree with things Anonymous has done as a whole or just specific ops? Obviously not this OP but... Surely, they have done something, if only one, to make you nod your head.

ETA: I had a feeling you were former military as well. Believe me, I understand how you feel now. While in, and for a long time after discharge, I looked down on civilians. Surely nobody could relate to what I had been through right? Well after being out for awhile, I can feel certain things creeping back in. Slight insecurity in my future. Doubts about what I can achieve on my own. But I see Anonymous and I see great hope. Those that took the initiative, without our rigorous training, to take it upon themselves to not only truly defend the Constitution of The United States, but to help secure liberty and the will of the people across the globe by whatever resources they have available to them.

edit on 31-7-2011 by SpringHeeledJack because: additional content

Because I fought in Iraq, I fought hand to hand and door to door. I never needed to hide behind a screen to do it. Hell if they want to fight the government that bad, They should be out on the streets trowing molotov cocktails. Do some thing that you know you stand up for, That you can do as a man out in front leading the way.

It's because they are nameless they are cowards, part of fighting a real war is consequences that you chose. Your enemy knows who you are and can fight back. I see what these groups of people as nothing more than children playing ding dong ditch. Sooner or later they will get caught its only a matter of time.

On the other hand they are just like terrorists as well when ever you take a cell down another just pops up in its places.

When these groups get on T.V and I can see their face, They call to me and Say brother today we fight to bring back our country to what it was over 200 years ago. It starts here and it starts now, Today we march on washington That will be the day I bring out my guns and support them.

I don't see that happening and I don't see what good they will do. These groups are nothing more than fly's to the government they do no real damage annoy a few people and that is it.

reply to post by Reaper2137


It's not illegal YET. not YET. Do you think upon seizing control of the internet, the government would allow you access to such material? Don't be so naive sir. It's one power grab after another. You must know this.

reply to post by SpringHeeledJack


Its no different than going to the mall, A bunch of people all huddled together buying talking and so fourth. That is pretty much how it is. The 4th doesn't apply because its the same principle as why they can have cams in public places

Originally posted by Reaper2137
My apologies but I was a Military Police officer for most of my life. So its what I lived by, If your doing nothing wrong than what have you got to be worried about?

different strokes for different folks, I don't mind all the government scrutiny because I'm used to it others are not.

And there is the catch. If you post something on the net that is adverse or negatively reactive then it could be used as part of a personality profile which could lead to unnecessary scrutiny and action.

Everyone knows that everyone has a bad day and everyone knows that context can be lost through the typed word.

I forget the thread but someone said that internet analysis is mostly useful in hindsight...which makes a preventive measure of internet privacy invasion not so much a useful thing...because of context.

I don't do anything wrong and I am kind of concerned about the evolving hierarchy between the political/corporate elite and their minions to the common citizen. Differing ideologies based on the acquisition of money and those who don't have it. The rhetorical difference is that the former state that they are good and looking out for everyone (by forcing fees and fines and taxes all over the place) and the latter is calling them on the rhetorical BS...

Originally posted by SpringHeeledJack
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It's not illegal YET. not YET. Do you think upon seizing control of the internet, the government would allow you access to such material? Don't be so naive sir. It's one power grab after another. You must know this.

It won't be I can still go into a book store and buy any book I wish within reason. ( I.E child porn is a no go) I can get a bomb making book, how to make fire arms at home and so forth. I can do the same thing on the internet. If they haven't banned it in public why would they ban it on the net?

reply to post by Reaper2137


I see what you're saying. I absolutely disagree still and I think we've reached an impasse.
That said, I completely understand your point of view. We've both been to places nobody should ever have to go. Of course I don't presume to know your mind but I know this section of it. I can't even begin to argue on it because I have to fight it myself sometimes.

Different short views, same long views. Would it ever come to the point you mentioned, that would be our role. Our place. I hope it never comes to that but we still stand side by side I think. I'll bother you no longer.

Originally posted by MemoryShock

Originally posted by Reaper2137
My apologies but I was a Military Police officer for most of my life. So its what I lived by, If your doing nothing wrong than what have you got to be worried about?

different strokes for different folks, I don't mind all the government scrutiny because I'm used to it others are not.

 

And there is the catch. If you post something on the net that is adverse or negatively reactive then it could be used as part of a personality profile which could lead to unnecessary scrutiny and action.

Everyone knows that everyone has a bad day and everyone knows that context can be lost through the typed word.

I forget the thread but someone said that internet analysis is mostly useful in hindsight...which makes a preventive measure of internet privacy invasion not so much a useful thing...because of context.

I don't do anything wrong and I am kind of concerned about the evolving hierarchy between the political/corporate elite and their minions to the common citizen. Differing ideologies based on the acquisition of money and those who don't have it. The rhetorical difference is that the former state that they are good and looking out for everyone (by forcing fees and fines and taxes all over the place) and the latter is calling them on the rhetorical BS...

It isn't as back as you would think. I used to catch all kinds of hell for this site but I tell you what after it was found out this site became one of the top in the office. lol..

Originally posted by SpringHeeledJack
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

I see what you're saying. I absolutely disagree still and I think we've reached an impasse.
That said, I completely understand your point of view. We've both been to places nobody should ever have to go. Of course I don't presume to know your mind but I know this section of it. I can't even begin to argue on it because I have to fight it myself sometimes.

Different short views, same long views. Would it ever come to the point you mentioned, that would be our role. Our place. I hope it never comes to that but we still stand side by side I think. I'll bother you no longer.

I can respect that, I agree with what they do. In principle but I would really get behind them if they came out.
I pray for that day, because as I know and as I think you hint at or must know deep in side.

That we will never get our country back to what we defended unless we take it back by force. Doing what we have done we know better than most what freedom is and what it takes to ensure it.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -
-- Thomas Jefferson
That tree has grown thirsty and it has not feed from the farmer in over 200 years.

This is the price and this price will come.

Originally posted by Reaper2137
It isn't as back as you would think. I used to catch all kinds of hell for this site but I tell you what after it was found out this site became one of the top in the office. lol..

Not the first time I have heard that...and not because the same thing happened to me...We gotz some good peeps here...when they are not focusing on Aliens and Niburu...

Originally posted by MemoryShock

Originally posted by Reaper2137
It isn't as back as you would think. I used to catch all kinds of hell for this site but I tell you what after it was found out this site became one of the top in the office. lol..

Not the first time I have heard that...and not because the same thing happened to me...We gotz some good peeps here...when they are not focusing on Aliens and Niburu...

Yes I would agree with that as well. I wish I was still in tho, I got hurt over seas. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't grab it back in a second if I could.

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I absolutely agree.

Just being as I've seen war, I hope it never comes to that.
Call me a dreamer.

I'll never be the same.

Originally posted by SpringHeeledJack
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

I absolutely agree.

Just being as I've seen war, I hope it never comes to that.
Call me a dreamer.

I'll never be the same.

edit on 31-7-2011 by SpringHeeledJack because: (no reason given)

I would agree but the revolt has been breed out of the Americans as long as they have T.V, Internet, and beer. They are happy just swimming along.

They won't notice the ambush until the claymore hits them in their six,

Then they may notice how Fubarred they are..

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Hey Exhuberant1, I've been here for years, but this guy,SpringHeeledJack , I have no clue. Seems kinda fishy having the same name as me.

Maybe I should PM a mod?

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this is anonymous msg
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While I respect a persons right to protest and what not, this action goes over the line. What these morons are not understanding is by attacking these 70 law enforcement agencies and destroying their private servers and exposing names, they have not only placed officers in danger, they have single handedly screwed the public over.

All reports people have submitted are now compromised and or destroyed. This does nothing to hurt the police, and in reality hurts the public who now just lost their reports, statements, investigations etc.

What really cracks me up are how these morons go on a crusade and doll out their own justice, while railing against the government for doing the same. These idiots are exactly what they hate about the government / law enforcement.

I hope these guys get brought down by law enforcement for tampering with evidence, hindering prosecution, obstruction, fraud, witness / victim tampering and any other applcable charges for comprmoised investigations.

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

IMO, it's the cops that have screwed folks over with horrid security and lies.
Anonymous means anonymous- did they lie?