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The left needs it's own Tea Party

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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I have been looking at this debt ceiling issue, and I've noticed how the 'tea party' provides some great excuses for both the Republicans and Democrats to not actually address any real, substantive cuts in spending. "They" get to play the part of the rodeo clown, comic relief, and bone to party base, while ensuring the public discourse is skewed away from anything resembling public opinion ( tax cuts to the richest 1 percent, major cuts to, for example). This serves not only the Republicans, it serves the Democrats.

Nonetheless, it seems the Republicans enjoy many perks by getting to host the faux-populist tea party. So it got me to thinking, the left needs it's own Tea Party. You know, hold rallies, demanding we nationalize all the factories and guillotine all the rich, or something. You know, leftist stuff. Maybe forced abortions and gay secular Muslim marriages? Make outrageous, absurd hard-ball demands from the outset, pulling the conversation in the direction of your political ideals in the same way the other hand does.

Anyway, I think it would give the Democrats a chance to finally get around to all those lefty sort of things they pretend to fight for, instead of just using the Loony Wing of the Right as an excuse for never... quite.... delivering....


You know?


thoughts?
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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the Romans in a movie said, if you have to deal with a mad dog, you get a mad dog of your own.

is that what you have in mind?

if we are lucky, the republican congress will be gone after 2012 election, and the tea party will be a forgoten nightmare.

better to get rid of one desease than to have two.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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They tried that even called it the"coffee party"

don't think it ever found a direction or issue to coalesce around....



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Didn't know the Romans had the technology to make movies.

Do you happen to have a list of them?



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Forced abortions and muslim marriages.... right, things liberals stand for. We should take your post seriously?

I don't believe that liberals can successfully form a movement to assume majority control of even the democratic party. Liberals have been the minority in DC for some time now, even within the democratic party. This is why in 2009 even with a supermajority they couldn't get things going, the democratic party consists of many conservatives and centrist politicians. As for the tea parties, I don't see where they creating an advantage for the republican party. They seem to be making the republican party louder and agressive, but I'm not sure how this will work out in the future.

Do you truly stand for liberty incredibleous minds?
Does a woman have the right to make her own choices over her own body?
Can a muslim buy a plot of land privately and build a mosque anywhere?
Can people be left alone to smoke pot in the privacy of their OWN homes and property?
Can marriage be something that is PRIVATE? Not federally or state controlled? Why must there be a programme in place that only discrimminates tax payers because of gender?

Are these the exceptions to liberty?



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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You already do its called the WEATHER UNDERGROUND and Obama kicked off his campaign in the belly of that beast.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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Forced abortions and muslim marriages.... right, things liberals stand for. We should take your post seriously?


My examples are meant as a mirror image of the comical nature in which the so called tea party caucus represents their own ideals ("no taxes, etc"). At least you read the whole OP, which is more than I can say for some. You still seemed to not have grasped what I am actually outlining, though. But I appreciate you playing nonetheless, truly. Star for you.

Now, as to your main point:




I don't believe that liberals can successfully form a movement to assume majority control of even the democratic party. Liberals have been the minority in DC for some time now, even within the democratic party. This is why in 2009 even with a supermajority they couldn't get things going, the democratic party consists of many conservatives and centrist politicians. As for the tea parties, I don't see where they creating an advantage for the republican party. They seem to be making the republican party louder and agressive, but I'm not sure how this will work out in the future.


This is why I believe the Left needs to create/co opt its own AstroTurf movement. So they can force the general public discourse in their direction in the same way the tea parties comically simplistic demands skews the debate to the Corporate right for both parties now. Of course, the main problem with this idea is there is no one to bankroll it in the way FreedomWorks has been able to bankrupt this charade on the right. So where are all the mastermind leftist? Don't they control the media and the banks and stuff? Why arent they funding massive massive marches on washington demanding a forced redistribution of wealth based on the tenets of dead philosophers?? You know, the mirror image of the tea party

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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then you will finally see what an "astro turff party" looks like.

sure why not form your party the more the merrier.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by MasterGemini
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You already do its called the WEATHER UNDERGROUND and Obama kicked off his campaign in the belly of that beast.


Can you elaborate?



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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OP, we need to disband our political parties, not add another one to the bunch.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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We don't need anymore parties.

George Washington was right about political parties, if anything we should outlaw all of them.

They have displaced and subverted national loyalty in every way Washington warned in his fairwell address.


I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


From George Washington's Farewell Adress.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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Didn't know the Romans had the technology to make movies.

Do you happen to have a list of them?


i thought everyone knew that characters in roman movies were actors.

the Roman's understanding of human nature and politics will always apply.

their Senators even complained about the gays in Ceaser's army.

civilizations rise and fall, but the political hot air is the same.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by MasterGemini
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You already do its called the WEATHER UNDERGROUND and Obama kicked off his campaign in the belly of that beast.


Can you elaborate?


William Ayers Obama connection:
voices.washingtonpost.com...


I know the source is mega conservative, there is plenty of info out there for you though.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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I'm sorry. When you said 'kicked off his campaign in the belly of the beast' i thought you meant something conclusive and substantial.

Have you read beyond the headline of my OP yet? This isn't actually about partisan politics. It's about outlining how the public dialogue is manipulated by false premises, and how one could theoretically shift tat discourse with similar tactics as is currently used by corporatist hiding behind populist slogans.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
So it got me to thinking, the left needs it's own Tea Party. ?


(scratches head…)
I thought that was what the communist/socialist parties were?



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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We don't need anymore parties. George Washington was right about political parties, if anything we should outlaw all of them. They have displaced and subverted national loyalty in every way Washington warned in his fairwell address.


Oooooooooo..........MikeboydUS, with this post of yours, you have instantly become one of my favorite ATS members! LOL

Coincidentally, I was going to start a thread today regarding this very speech of Washington's. I guess that won't be necessary now. LOL

Star for you....



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
So it got me to thinking, the left needs it's own Tea Party. ?


(scratches head…)
I thought that was what the communist/socialist parties were?


Perhaps. But I don't see the communists or socialists (two different things, btw) agressively pushing the public discourse to the left in the same way the so-called tea party pushes the debate further to the right, abdicating responsibility from the Democrats from ever having to move towards any of those traditionally leftist ideals.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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A new 'Tea Party' that represents the middle class folks instead of the wealthy is NEEDED.

A new party that represents working class Americans and supports a middle class America unlike the current Tea Party scum.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Next time, can you make your comments at least a little more relevant to the actual substance of the OP?

thanks!



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Perhaps. But I don't see the communists or socialists (two different things, btw) agressively pushing the public discourse to the left in the same way the so-called tea party pushes the debate further to the right, abdicating responsibility from the Democrats from ever having to move towards any of those traditionally leftist ideals.


How old are you? The socialist and communist did openly push. They even took to violence many times. The name weather underground comes to mind. That didn’t work, so they abandoned the open agenda. They moved to more subversive methods. They worked at infiltrating the educational system and the new media.

If they controlled the upbringing and education of the next generation of people, then they wouldn’t have to convince them of the superiority of the new system. They would be educated in the new system the first time the walk into a public school. They would spoil the image of the capitalist system in the minds of the young. That has proven very effective.

They were, in many ways, supported by influence from Russia, china and other communist, socialist countries.

Communism and socialism are two sides of the same coin.

The communist use the socialism as a bait for people. Once they get them indoctrinated into socialism, then they are predestined to shift to communism. Communism is the only stable way to institute socialism. Without communism, then socialism will break down because it is an unstable construct. If you implement socialism in a democratic government, then that government’s laws will shift to a communist stance in a natural attempt to stabilize the socialist economic system.

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