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Plane crashes in Guyana, Doesn't Disappear upon impact. 9/11 still a total lie

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posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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reply to post by lernmore
 


Of course he is trying to compare the 2. You see, logic is not employed in the truth movement. Truthers believe the MSM when it suits them. They believe portions of the OS, but not the parts that prove them wrong. They take assumptions and opinions and turn them into facts. They say they have ZERO motive, yet they have sites raking in millions.

We have reached a place in society where there is a conspiracy in EVERYTHING... No amount of evidence will ever stop this.. You see, it's a delusion, that is growing legs, and will not go away anytime soon.




posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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reply to post by ShaunHatfield
 
Thanks for your completely selfserving and pointless comment on this matter. You bring nothing to the party, but you still keep showing up.



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Dillweed, (wow, talk about irony)

Can you please point out the self serving part... I fail to see it and suspect that it was just something that you saw someone intelligent write. You noticed how graceful it sounded but failed to notice that they had written it IN CONTEXT!!

Pointless? I had a point.. Do you need me to explain my point? I felt as though it was very straight forward, but I am somewhat assuming. If you really really would like to know the point to my post, I would be happy to explain it to you.

The OP WAS trying to compare the 2... Can you deny that? There are several opinions and theories surrounding 9/11 that are 100% false, but being repeated as facts.. can you deny that?

Since trying to deny either of the above would be futile, I feel my post was spot on, and simply got you a bit butt hurt.

Thank you for your encouraging words.

Thank you,
Shaun Hatfield


edit on 8/1/2011 by ShaunHatfield because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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My problem with the FBI recovering 95% of the plane is, how is it that on a day when everything goes wrong for the government, the military can't seem to locate 4 hijacked planes in the air but the FBI has ground forces recovering the plane before the military is even in the skies?! No way that is normal.


What you think the FBI did this in 5 minutes?

IT TOOK WEEKS OF SEARCHING ON HANDS AND KNEES to recover this much of the plane


"We went through here on our hands and knees hundreds of times"



Over the weekend, about 300 volunteers combed a half-mile square around the crash site and found enough debris from the Boeing 757 to fill about one-third of a trash container.



.After the crash about 10 a.m. Sept. 11, FBI officials said they expected the work at the site to take three to five weeks. On Monday, Crowley said good weather and a large number of workers -- as many as 1,500 in less than two weeks' time -- allowed the work to go more quickly.

He said that the biggest piece of the aircraft which was found was a piece of the outer portion of the fuselage, which measures about 6 feet by 7 feet and included four windows. The heaviest piece found was a part of an engine fan weighing about 1,000 pounds, Crowley said.



Some 1500 people searching site .....

For several years after the Pennsylvania State Police used the scene as a raining ground taking cadets there to
comb the grounds to find the smallest sliver//////



posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by TupacShakur
 



I think it was shot down by our military....


So, they shot it down and then faked the crash site?????


Doesnt a fighter jet shooting down an airliner usually result in a crash site? The russians shot down an Korean airliner. I think it did glide into the ocean.
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posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by TupacShakur
 



I think it was shot down by our military....


So, they shot it down and then faked the crash site?????


Doesnt a fighter jet shooting down an airliner usually result in a crash site? The russians shot down an Korean airliner. I think it did glide into the ocean.
edit on 1-8-2011 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)


You have to read the entire post that I was responding to. The poster implied that there was insufficient wreckage at the Shanksville crash site and also implied that Flight 93 was shot down, ergo, the plane was both shot down and the crash site faked.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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thank you for the debris pictures, first time i see them.....tho, yes, questionable to me

what about the bodies? The reports i have read claim no blood, nor bodies were found?



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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reply to post by bing0
 


At 580 mph bodies fragment and blood atomises.

There is a 45 min. truther video with the Shanksville coroner Wally Miller he discusses what he found there.

Search Wally Miller on youtube.



edit on 2-8-2011 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by ATH911
 


Thats not a misguided belief. It's a well-established fact.

Vipertech, everyone's waiting for you to show that that's a "well-established fact."

Don't keep us waiting for too long or else it will become evident that you were lying.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by ATH911
 


Because the plane did not hit nose first - is was on its back at a 40 deg down angle. One of the wings hit first
and dug into the ground.

If the plane was on its back, how would any of its wings hit first any more so than if the plane was on its belly?


Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by ATH911
 


1/3 figure came from Wallace Miller, Somerset Pa coroner, in charge of recovering/identifing the remains

Rest of plane was fragmented - some wound up being buried, usually the heavier pieces, rest scattered around

No where in your article did it mention the figure of 1/3, nor what happened to the rest of the plane. Please show me where you got the 1/3 figure.


And since you failed to address it the first time, here's my question again:

If 1/3 of the 757 projected into the woods, why does it only look like about 1/300 of a 757 worth of debris?

Oh thedman?

I'm waiting...



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Why do you skeptics keep perpetuating this lie? There were no dumpster loads of debris. There wasn't even a full dumpster.

Ah, you must have an exact inventory of all the materials recovered - would you care to share that inventory with the rest of us? I mean you must have a full and complete tally of the materials otherwise how else could you possibly make the absolute statement that there wasn't a full dumpster of wreckage recovered? Unless, of course, you're lying.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne
and blood atomises.




posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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reply to post by ATH911
 


If you don't understand the word then look it up truther.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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meanwhile i have found more flight 93 debris pictures, but what i do miss, is what was gathered/collected after 2 weeks...i haven't found pictures of that heap yet. As we all know, words don't claim much. I also don't get it that at least one of the engines was found x00 yards away, in a forest. Forest......trees? The impact hole also doesn't show any burned grass, and even in my wildest imagination a nose diving airplane doesn't fit in that crater, with wings and all, at least, for me.

So, it was shot down? I read statements of 'yes' (at the 9/11 commission, for example), but also 'no's'. But because of the debris found miles away....?


i don't agree with the whole video, but i have the same questions....


edit on 2/8/11 by bing0 because: video added

edit on 2/8/11 by bing0 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by ATH911
 


If you don't understand the word then look it up truther.



do you like it if we behave in the same way to you all? At least you could show some politeness, and less arrogance



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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reply to post by waypastvne
 

I understand what it means, I'd just like to see your source.



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by waypastvne
 

I understand what it means, I'd just like to see your source.



No wait - let me get this right - a human body hits the ground at over 500 mph and you need a source to be convinced that the blood would be atomized?????



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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You are kidding right??? Unfortunately I do not think you are.. BUT ... wait for it.... wait for it..... You are in the PERFECT group... It seems as though if you took the whole collective "facts" that truthers know, you might fill a thimble.


Just last week a truther that has been going around spouting FACTS (opinions, delusions and theories) posted a thread .... again wait for it.... "ANNONYMOUS releases a video of missile hitting pentagon" - You know the video, the one that was debunked by Hellen Keller and Christopher Reeves.. You know the one....

Coincidence does not mean fact, in any language!



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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gosh, are you boring...also taking the easy road, huh? That doesn't proof anything, your way, while it isn't the ATS way. Always that cheap, arrogant talk

and that missile vid? yeah, i think too it is fake, but i know for sure Pentagon was never hit by a big airplane either



posted on Aug, 2 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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thank you for the debris pictures, first time i see them.....tho, yes, questionable to me

what about the bodies? The reports i have read claim no blood, nor bodies were found?


Quote from Wallace Miller, Somerset County Coroner


Miller was familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord, with five vertebrae attached. 'I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation,' Miller said. 'The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised.'"


Not bodies - body parts is what you get after a high speed impact. It is sometimes called "human hamburger"
Often little more than scraps of tiisue, very little is recognizable

I speak from personal experience having walked a crash scene marking the body parts with flags for the coroner

Only recognizable parts - half of torso, hand minus the fingers and several amputated fingers

No blood, just random scraps of people......




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