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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Exactly the same way. They can push default and stand with the consequences of their actions. It actually takes a bit more courage to do what the Tea Party is doing which is a public action that this incrementalist bs the liberals have been doing for decades. What the tea party is doing will potentially cause outright rejection of them. I would love to see the leftists attempt to do the same thing.




posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by apacheman
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Geez, how can people be so ignorant of California?

It as about as right-wing as it gets in most of it, albeit with a slightly tolerant California twist to it.

The California the eastern foreigners think exists died back in the eighties or early seventies. It's been a corpocracy since the late nineties.


How so? Any and very political map suggests otherwise.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by inforeal
 


The "tea party" is exactly democratic. They are just a bunch of average people, mostly middle america group who see
this country headed in the wrong direction. They voted, democratically, to change that direction. What about all of the groups that support your leftist agenda. Example Media Matters, anything to do with George Soros and all of his groups that throw money, rallying the troups trying to change our country.

Why is it when you lefties don't agree with people it always comes to name bashing and whinning about being un-american. What's really bad for our country is the ignorant who blindly follow the mind mindset of Soros, Obama, Reid and Pelosi


Harry Reid is the anti-democratic politician. He refuses to let the members of the U.S. Senate
vote on a - balanced budget bill -. Cut, Cap & Balance is the only plan that will preserve our
AAA rating with the S&P.
Reids plan is a joke. His spending cuts will never happen. We have to reduce spending NOW!!!
I say Cut, Cap & Balance or bust !
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal
That is anti-democratic, and an abuse of power, and opposite everything the spirit and letter of the US constitution stands for.

*cough*

Obamacare.

*cough*

TSA Pat downs.

*cough*

Wiretaps.

*cough*

Bailing out corporations.

*cough*

Unions.

*cough*

Lobbyists.

*cough*

High taxes.

*cough*

Mandates.

*cough*

Buying car dealerships.

*cough*

Buying mortgages.

*cough*

ACORN

*cough*

Affirmative Action

*cough*

Redrawing state election districts.

*cough*

brought to you by Democrats and Republicans.

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power


Amazing people here don’t see that the blackmail that the Tea party is doing to the US government is dictatorial, anti-democratic, anathema to the US constitution, dangerous, and is setting a precedent for worst things to come.


Here is the scenario:

These 85 or so congress people voted in office in 2010 by Tea party support are not remotely the majority of the American people, yet they are using their newly acquired power to threaten the American system of government with default if they don’t get there way. In this scenario it is the debt ceiling that they are using to do their blackmail. Previously, raising the debt ceiling was, is, and has been a bi-partisan simple process, that even the conservative Republican Ronald Regan has denounced people for playing politics with. They, the Tea party are using this vulnerable part of the Governmental system to blackmail it . . . it’s that simple. This is an abuse of power, undemocratic, and fascistic. And those who do not see it this way. . . don’t because they are partial to the cause of the Tea party Republicans. When this very undemocratic method one day is turned against them—then they will see the danger that this is to a democracy. Turn the tables: what if 85 extreme left-wing congress people did the same thing to the country? How would you then feel about that?

As of now because of these people the US economy will likely default and enormous economic disasterous repercussions will be resultant.

So bottom line, 85 freshman congress people who don’t represent even 1 percent of the American people have taken over the Republican Party and have blackmailed the system to do their bidding and if not have threatened to destabilize the American economic system.

That is anti-democratic, and an abuse of power, and opposite everything the spirit and letter of the US constitution stands for.



So you are trying to convince us that a handful of people you personally do not feel represent the rest of the country were able to vote in a handful of representatives and that the voting process is undemocratic???? How about the way Nancy Pelosi and crowd did secret deals behind closed doors and told everyone they'd HAVE TO PASS the bill to SEE what's in it????
There are no words to describe where your head is at without me getting banned.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Esactly, Reid intends to implement the Soros plan of International Socialism. They started with the Eastern European countries after the Berlin Wall came down, and then moved on to Western Europe. Any country which does not cave to demands gets into trouble. I am wondering if the whole reason they took the Berlin Wall down at all was to make people think communism was dead, but it was just an illusion, because Fabian Socialism is communism in increments. So it made it look like there was no more communism. But the radical hard core commies have been working underground all these years with their little groups of anti-American, anti-Christ, anti-free enterprise organizations. George Soros has one of the biggest hands in all this.
Many people here see the wealthiest industrialists as being the culprit of all this, and they are right, as those are the ones pulling the strings behind all the Globalism. Then they view it as Capitalism being the culprit. But the truth is that this Globalism and abuse is just the perversion of Capitalism. It does not represent the true free market economy, and neither does Free Trade.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
With all due respect, the 2008 depression wasn’t based on debt, it was based on the banks going belly-up over massive derivatives. Though many ( me included, have instead surmised that this was phony-another topic though). The massive debt in 2008 and after was primarily caused by Bush’s tax cuts and Iraq war. About 3 to 2 Bush over Obama, roughly speaking.


No, with all due respect to you, you are wrong. If you continue to look short term you will miss everything. Yes, derivatives (many of which were simply repackaged mortgage securities and other debt) accelerated the problem, but what it really did was expose the underlying problem of consumption and debt. If you look at a dollar, it is now a note (which is by definition a unit of debt). It's a value placeholder, meaning it will have to be repaid at some point in time.

As for debt, if you look year to year, the budget deficits alone spike a good 25-40% after Bush leaves office so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from. That doesn't include quite a bit of non-discretionary or supplemental spending.


The Tea party is not going the route of Ron Paul and demanding the fed be reformed or abolished, they are just against the abuse of debt, nothing new or unreasonable. If they go out and convince the masses of American people to cut to the bone Social security, Medicaid, medicair, student loans, food stamps, etc., and get elected to majorities in both congresses, then they can go about doing that.


There is more than one way to reduce spending, and what most people ignore is that most social programs are run and heavily funded by the state, not the federal government.

I agree they have been hijacked and have strayed from Pauls message, but let's not forget that Paul is also against all of the things you listed above being under the direction or funded by the Federal Government. The Tea party is an offshoot of Paul's Campaign for Liberty and has been conclusively raped, so I'm no big fan of the Tea Party.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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People who fault the Tea Party simply demonstrate how partisan they are and how very little they understand about the true affairs in DC. To the OP - the Tea Party is about the ONLY thing DEMOCRATIC about our entire government. Get a clue! They are the ONLY ones speaking for the majority of Americans. True liberals and conservatives are definitive minorities that have held this country hostage since the "Great deal". Now average Americans have seats at the table and the elitist a-holes who have gutted this country can't stand that the hoi poloi are taking back the country. Get used to it! Even if we have to tear this thing down to the ground in order to rebuild it properly, this house of cards is finished!



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Esactly, Reid intends to implement the Soros plan of International Socialism. They started with the Eastern European countries after the Berlin Wall came down, and then moved on to Western Europe. Any country which does not cave to demands gets into trouble. I am wondering if the whole reason they took the Berlin Wall down at all was to make people think communism was dead, but it was just an illusion, because Fabian Socialism is communism in increments. So it made it look like there was no more communism. But the radical hard core commies have been working underground all these years with their little groups of anti-American, anti-Christ, anti-free enterprise organizations. George Soros has one of the biggest hands in all this.
Many people here see the wealthiest industrialists as being the culprit of all this, and they are right, as those are the ones pulling the strings behind all the Globalism. Then they view it as Capitalism being the culprit. But the truth is that this Globalism and abuse is just the perversion of Capitalism. It does not represent the true free market economy, and neither does Free Trade.


George Soros Plan = The Iron Fist of Socialism

1- Death Panels - Pull the plug on grandma to reduce costs
2- National Value Added Tax - More cash for the government -- high speed choo choo trains.

I see America choosing Free Market Capitalism instead.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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From Ronald Reagan’s economic czar:

www.globalresearch.ca...



With the world concerned about US financial credibility and the poor outlook for the US economy, now is not the time for the Republicans to grandstand on the public debt. The debt ceiling needed to be quietly raised. Instead, the Republicans started a fire and then threw gasoline on it, creating an inferno that could burn up the US social safety net or the US Treasury’s credit rating and the US dollar’s role as reserve currency or what remains of the separation of powers.





Consequently, world financial markets, currency markets, commodity markets, central banks, and mutual fund money market and bond funds are on pins and needles. This level of irresponsibility is seldom seen even from American politicians. Republicans have created a totally unnecessary crisis and turned it into compelling political theater.






The offshoring of US jobs, GDP, tax base, and consumer demand that has eroded away the US economy and the government’s tax base, thus elevating the deficit, is somehow not a crisis. These are just the imperatives of globalism and the routine maximization of shareholders’ profits and management’s performance bonuses.


The US has become such a ridiculous collection of fools that no real crisis can be recognized. Instead, the country is mesmerized by a fake crisis.

www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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The Tea Party is conservastive, even more than the tarditional ones.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Eurisko I hope America chooses free enterprise and true liberty over the chains of Statism and World domination by a handful of Elites.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Sounds like you otta have someone take a look at that cough before it gets serious. I hope that you have a good healthcare insurance policy so that you don't have to rely on, cough, Obamacare.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
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The Tea Party is conservastive, even more than the tarditional ones.



Tea Party is definitely against Socialism and Communism if that's what you mean. I'm proud to say I'm Tea Party and against Socialism, Communism, GLobalism, Statism, and any other ism that seeks to dominate the entire world and put us all in chains.
You really need to get info from some other source than DailyKos and Huffpo if you want the truth.

I just got a letter from the Republican Party telling me I was chosen in my district to represent conservative values because of my activism and they want my opinion on things.
You see, Obama's agenda woke a lot of people up and we have all learned from the Community Organizer.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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first of all, i'm not ronald reagan. a few years ago obama said we SHOULDN'T raise it for the same reasons the tea party doesn't want to raise it now. all politicians say things to scare the populace so they can get their way.

if we keep spending at the rate we have for the last 3 years and cut 4 trillion over 10 years we will be at over 22 trillion by then. our interest payments will be so large that they prevent us from paying down our debts. this is what we are moving towards, and that will be the true death of america. if we don't change, its only a matter of time.

you know we've defaulted before, right? nothing bad happened. this time, if we don't pass the necessary legislation (we won't), then the only option for the future of america is defaulting. it forces the government to be responsible.

for you its all republican and democrat. one can do no wrong, the other is the source of all evil. i support whoever does the right thing for the country, and right now we must get rid of the deficit. we have to stop while we still have the ability to pay our debt off.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Part of my post in another thread was "we are seeing the evil Emperor Obama being challenged by the Tea Party Jedi's." The Jedi's are weak right now but will eventually triumph over the evil empire the US government has become.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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The basic problem with the economy is outlined here by, none other than the economic czar of Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts:



“The offshoring of US jobs, GDP, tax base, and consumer demand that has eroded away the US economy and the government’s tax base, thus elevating the deficit, is somehow not a crisis. These are just the imperatives of globalism and the routine maximization of shareholders’ profits and management’s performance bonuses.”
www.globalresearch.ca...

Read where he says demand, that is consumer demand. Consumer demand is way down primarily because of the fact that wages haven’t moved up as the profits of corporations have, and as the wealth of the rich and super rich has been raised so high.

Debt is an attempt by the system to maintain consumer demand that has now fallen by the wayside because jobs have been outsourced because of the policies of both parties towards global corporations.

Government debt is so high becasue of the tax cuts for the rich, and the narrow tax base due to jobs moving overseas.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Part of my post in another thread was "we are seeing the evil Emperor Obama being challenged by the Tea Party Jedi's." The Jedi's are weak right now but will eventually triumph over the evil empire the US government has become.


You are closer than you think.
The - emperor - in Star Wars - transformed - the republic into a galactic empire.
It was done with thunderous applause.
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Obama told us in the beginning that he wants to fundamentally - transform America.

Only a King/Emperor would bypass the U.S. congress and issue an executive presidential
order to raise the debt limit by $2.4 Trillion.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by inforeal
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The Tea Party is conservastive, even more than the tarditional ones.



Tea Party is definitely against Socialism and Communism if that's what you mean. I'm proud to say I'm Tea Party and against Socialism, Communism, GLobalism, Statism, and any other ism that seeks to dominate the entire world and put us all in chains.
You really need to get info from some other source than DailyKos and Huffpo if you want the truth.

I just got a letter from the Republican Party telling me I was chosen in my district to represent conservative values because of my activism and they want my opinion on things.
You see, Obama's agenda woke a lot of people up and we have all learned from the Community Organizer.
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Well kuddos to you, I think you will probably be an excellent choice to represent "conservative values" in your district seeing how all it takes to get you to oppose something is to add the letters "ism" to the end of it. You sound like a perfect example of "Tea Party" mentality to me. Now if we can just get someone to introduce some legislation to outlaw all those "isms," we could solve all our problems once and for all.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Conservative in a fiscal and social sense. You are confusing your MSM created labels with REAL definitions. The Tea Party wants a SMALLER government, less government intrusion in private affairs, less spending, reduced taxes, corporate accountability and a trade system that is fair and balanced toward corporations AND their workers. What is wrong with any of that?

Right now our choices are: Democrats - raise taxes on everything, increase the debt ceiling to support continued deficit spending and spending cuts on things that aren't even realized expenses. Republicans - more corporate welfare, continued tax savings for corporations and the wealthy, meaningless spending cuts that don't interfere with the military-industrial complex, and bacak to business as usual.

So far, the only group making any sense is the Tea Party caucus - balanced budget ammendment so no more deficit spending, closing tax loopholes for the uber wealthy and outsourcing corporations, a sensible trade agreement that protects American jobs and a streamlined tax code that prevents the wealthy and corporations from taking advantage of lobby-secured tax loopholes.

I mean, seriously... if you are for the American public and the American way of life (as it used to be), the Tea Party is the only group who's got your back.









 
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