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Originally posted by RR98
Say what you will about the "Tea Party", but they have the strength and will to prevail, and I personally believe that they shall, because they have the strength of their convictions versus the spinelessness of their enemies.
(Can't you just see it? The U.N. gestapo units break into the homes of your typical Joe Redneck American, who says, "You want my gun, eh? OK here... have my LEAD too... BLAM!" As far as I'm concerned, these invaders should be treated just like any THIEF that might break into a home. After all if your a PATRIOT, you'll probably end up in one of their DEATH CAMPS anyway if they "arrest" you, according to their current agenda. The owner and potential victim in such an ATTACK would be justified in defending their home with deadly force. Maybe when the gun-grabbers start dying off right and left, then the New World Order will justify an outside invasion of American soil in order to "Restore Order" in America as part of a U.N. military action. It doesn't matter how many gun-grabbing pawns or occupying forces are killed in the process, what is important is that the Black Nobility elite get their New World Order. To hell with the 'pawns', the so-called 'elite' would say, they are merely a means to an end. If only the Communist forces involved in the U.N. operations knew that their TRUE leaders are what they despise the most: that is "Corporate Imperialists" or international bankers with fraternal roots in Bavaria who have "bought-out" these U.N. member countries as a result of long and carefully planned agendas involving massive loans to these same countries. Fully aware that these loans would be hoarded and misused by the greedy leaders of these countries and that as a result these loans could never be re-paid in full, the "Banksters" in turn demanded access to various national resources OR military forces within these debtor countries as reimbursement, and the sovereignty of these nations have slowly been assimilated into the global UN/NWO power structure. If there was one major mistake that the founding fathers made -- and no doubt it was because many of them were wealthy businessmen -- it was their failure to place in the U.S. Constitution sufficient safeguards to prevent the Electorate government from being subverted by Corporate imperialists. The problem has been with the media, and the International Banking forces which control the media. Another problem was in giving too much power to one man -- the President of the United States. History has proven that the media has a MAJOR influence on forming public opinion, if not engaging in all-out propaganda and mind control. The International Banking interests controlling the media have the power to build-up candidates of their own choosing and tear down those who they do not like. Once their hireling is in office they, incredibly, have the power to appoint their own UNELECTED Executive staff. Not only this, but they have the power to enact 'EXECUTIVE ORDERS', to sign over the ECONOMIC or MILITARY RESERVES of the nation to PRIVATE unelected organization, to create secret intelligence agencies manned by UNELECTED persons, and to VETO decisions made by Congress -- who should be the REAL governing power. Where did we go wrong? When did we cease from being a Democracy and begin sliding into the sewers of a FINANCIAL-FRATERNAL-ELITIST-MONARCHY, the kind of government that the founding fathers of the American Union detested so much? - Branton)
Specific troops dressed with flat black uniforms and unmarked units will be brought in by UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters. They will then be deployed on line and "swept" though towns, building by building, block by block, and remove [by force if necessary] the civilians from towns. Each search team will carry three lists: A Black List, a White List, and a Grey List. The names on the Black List will be removed in total from their residences and business by force, hog-tied by flex cuffs, and placed on the unmarked black helicopters for removal to some unknown, pre-programmed destination. Those on the White List [collaborators?] will be removed "for their own safety" and flown out, and those on the Grey List will also be removed for their own safety -- but the troops have been told that they should "be watched because they weren't sure which list they fit on yet." So under this type of full state of emergency, thousands of Americans [guilty of hate, environmental, financial or gun control "crimes"; or "criminal" violation of any of tens of thousands of new government regulations; or resistance to the New World Order] will be likely to be imprisoned [this is why George Bush moved in recent years to double U.S. prison capacity]. These specific troops that will remove pre-identified civilians from given areas and will confiscate firearms, "subversive elements", remove certain groups for political and/or religious reasons [targeted groups will be gun owners, certain religious groups, and other groups or organizations considered detrimental to the "peacekeeping" or "peace-restoring" missions of an occupying force, or the objectives of the current government body]; these troops will make massive use of mechanized infantry, assault units, light infantry units, MPs, and they all will be connected with the Special United Nations Task Forces. These "special units" will consist of Rhodesians, East Germans, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Estonians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Ghurkas and South Africans, brought in from countries that, of late, had professional armies which no longer exist, or have downscaled their force structure, and have provided a surplus of military troops for the opposition; and been placed under the auspices of the U.N. for "special activated operations". Such troops will be useful for such operations because they will not have families here, and they have been secreted and sequestered aboard remote NON-ACTIVE MILITARY RESERVATIONS to keep them away from the civilian population and from discovery.
(Note: Just exactly how many U.S. Military bases have been 'deactivated', I do not know for certain. I have heard from one source that there are over 200 non-active U.S. Military Bases which were "officially" closed "once the Cold War ended", and were "no longer needed". I cannot state how accurate this number is nor whether this refers to bases world-wide or just in the United States. I would suspect world wide. We should remember however that several sources claim that a large number of the U.S. military bases, whether active or inactive, possess extensive underground base counterparts. Many of the U.N. occupying forces are reportedly stationed in such underground facilities until they are called into action. In a sense, America has already been INFILTRATED and UNDERMINED, if not INVADED by U.N. - N.W.O. forces. - Branton).
They [the hidden NWO forces] also will not owe the local population any form of loyalty or concern. They have the mentality of occupation forces in a hostile environment. Their actual possible/probable opposition locations are in larger facilities such as Fort Lewis, Washington. These troops are considered mercenaries or blackshirts.
The scenario these troops will likely use is practice to insert forces by "fast-rope" in a vertical insertion into a confined area such as a downtown, suburban or industrial area where no adequate helicopter landing zones (LZs) are available.
"MARTIAL LAW" is a system of government under the direction of military authority. it is an arbitrary kind of law, proceeding directly from military power and having no immediate constitutional or legislative sanction. It is only justified by 'necessity', and supersedes all civil government.... Martial law is built on a "no settle" principle, but is arbitrary and, in truth, no law.
SUSPENSION of the writ of habeas corpus [i.e. right to trial by judge and jury and protection from illegal imprisonment] is a major element of martial law. As Justice Blackstone wrote: "In this case, the nation parts with a portion of its liberty and suspected persons may then be arrested without cause assigned."
In light of the above, when the FEMA - U.N. gestapo forces come knocking down your door without your consent and without warrant, steal your guns, your computers and personal belongings under the pretext of a 'National Emergency' -- or even attempt to 'relocate' you and your family elsewhere in opposition to your rights as laid out in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights -- then this will NOT be an act of the Law, BUT AN ACT OF WAR!!! You have the right to resist as laid out in the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. Read these documents, because they are the FOUNDATION and LIFEBLOOD of the American Republic. In the end, the last line of defense of the American Republic -- or that system of government which is laid out in the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence -- will not be those who are guilty of HIGH TREASON within 'our' government who have sold America over to the New World Order. It will be THE CITIZEN'S MILITIA, which is authorized by the 2nd Amendment. And for all you military, police and government officials who have sworn to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution against ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC... When and if a National Emergency is declared, and when you begin receiving conflicting instructions from the 'Elected' Senatorial-Congressional 'government' AND FROM the 'Unelected' Military-Industrial 'government', then it will be UP TO YOU personally to determine which instructions will serve the interests of YOUR American Republic, and which will serve the interests of THEIR New World Order...
Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by inforeal
The "tea party" is exactly democratic. They are just a bunch of average people, mostly middle america group who see
this country headed in the wrong direction. They voted, democratically, to change that direction. What about all of the groups that support your leftist agenda. Example Media Matters, anything to do with George Soros and all of his groups that throw money, rallying the troups trying to change our country.
Why is it when you lefties don't agree with people it always comes to name bashing and whinning about being un-american. What's really bad for our country is the ignorant who blindly follow the mind mindset of Soros, Obama, Reid and Pelosi
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nenothtu
While there always have been ghettos, the crime rates in the seventies skyrocketed in comparison to previous decades. You would have to go back to the days before they began collecting crime statistics to find a more violent time.
We had more rights in the fifties, sixties, and seventies than we have ever had before, and higher standards of living. Passing of the fed res act in 1913 didn't stop the progress of our liberties.
All the damage that has been done, the stripping of our rights, and the wealth the middle class and the working class has happened since the whole con of the free market was sold to the people of the U.S..
It was like turning the clock back on the days of alcohol prohibition. Personally, I think this was socially engineered. There is an excellent documentary I saw one time on PBS, late in the night, about how banks, controlling mortgage loan grants, control where people are allowed to buy homes and live. Starting in the forties they deliberately concentrated blacks in specific areas, around airports and sports arenas as one of the targeted areas. Before that, blacks had been very integrated in northern cities.
We had a great many more liberties and a great deal more justice before the beginning of the free market con, I know, because I lived through the era. Starting with Carter and the elimination of usury laws which restricted interest rates, and following through with Reagan and deregulation, followed by the war on drugs, our standards of living have been under steady attack. It is also under Reagan that the fed began ignoring immigration laws, creating a clear attack on the law of supply and demand in the labor market.
Reagan and Bush ignored illegal immigration, secretly supported drug cartels, all the while writing laws for drug enforcement that eliminated rules against search and seizure without a warrant.
Things were better back in the sixties and seventies when it comes to liberty, and they began taking it away in the eighties.
Originally posted by georgewvess
]obviously you are a liberal with no clue or understanding of economics, you can't get rid of debt by spending, pure and simple.
tell that to an unReconstructed Rebel from 1878.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nenothtu
No, we are talking about social engineering with the intent of getting the right reaction out of the public.
The high crime ghettos were deliberately created to stir up white fear and hatred, racism, and the willingness of the public to create a ever increasing police state. While pretending to be generous towards blacks in the U.S., the welfare programs real aims were to isolate the communities and create high crime areas. The convinced the U.S. public to then vote away their rights to protect us from the new menace.
See the first Star wars trilogy, as in movies I, II & III.
Up until the 1980ties, we still had requirements for a warrant order before search and seizure was allowed. That is the main elimination of all of our rights.
In the same decade we saw the large rise of incarceration rights, there is no stronger way of eliminating your rights than by getting as many people as possible convicted of felonies.
Elimination of our rights under Reagan and the first Bush occurred at a far greater level than in any time in our nations history.
Honestly, you need to consider how much changed from the late sixties until now.
Yeah, well there has been a great deal of history revision going on ever since the civil war.
A great deal of what is going on today has a lot to do with what happened during the civil war, and changes in alliances.
While a great many northern whites had no desire to get to know blacks any better, and certainly had no desire for them to live next door, they still saw the institution of slavery as evil. However their biggest concern over slavery was the way that large plantations were able to dominate local communities.
The plantation owners had the wealth, their brothers/uncles/cousins were the local judge, DA, sheriff, and even if the local smaller farmers elected a mayor of their choosing, the plantation owners dominated. In order to keep their slaves in line, most plantation owners had their own small army to order after their affairs. It was barely more than a feudal system. This is the ugly truth about the old south that the losers have somehow succeeded in erasing from history.
Don't kid yourself about how much better things were back then.
East coast bankers worked their own special brand of feudalism. The pioneers who kept going west were the ones who maintained and established their freedoms. This would be known now days as the rednecks and the hillbillies. Across the Appalachians and north, small scale farmers succeeded in far greater levels of freedom. Even then they had to deal with various forms of religions looking to control their lives.
Out west, individuals wound up fighting against the large ranchers. Look into the story of Billy the Kid.
Do your own research, the 50ties, 60ties, and 70ties were the best decades in the U.S. so far, where we enjoyed our highest standards of living, and our greatest freedoms. The mid 90ties was a taste of what things should be like.
What have they done over the last 30 years?
They drove small farmers out of the ag business, and dismantled the northern midwest manufacturing centers and shipped it all over seas. They screwed over their old enemies in the slimiest of ways.
. The income maintenance system continued to expand between the late 1960s and the mid 1970s as
new programs were introduced, benefit levels were increased, and eligibility requirements were
liberalized. The number of AFDC recipients increased from about 6 million to 11 million and
the number of food stamp recipients, from about 1 million to 19 million over this period. As
higher cash and in-kind benefits became available to a larger percentage of poor people, the
work disincentives and high budgetary costs of welfare programs were increasingly challenged.
The public and policy makers (but not most social researchers) came to view increased welfare
recipiency as evidence that the programs were subsidizing dependency and encouraging idleness
(Anderson 1978; Murray 1984).
President Lyndon Johnson's four year-old Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO), the heralded antipoverty program with its grassroots "Community Action" and its Legal Services for the poor, had become a potential success story -- and thus anathema for powerful Democrats as well as Republicans.
So it was that a slight, already balding 28 year-old Republican Congressional intern, Richard Bruce Cheney, soon steered to the new OEO Director a 12-page memo setting out how to run the agency in a way that would kill what they all deplored.
OEO began the Rumsfeld myths. "He saved it," Carlucci would blithely tell oblivious post-9/11 reporters hardly apt to check the actual fate of the agency. Carlucci would spin an image of an ever-energetic Rumsfeld taking up the cause of the needy, streamlining and fortifying the laggard agency despite the funeral that had been ordered.
Originally posted by poet1b
Um, it was in the 80ties that probable cause laws completely eliminated the need for a warrant. They began invading peoples property, on the claim that they believed there was pot growing there, and confiscating people's property without a warrant or a conviction. You should look into this as well. Yes, it was under Reagan and the first Bush that, in the so called war on drugs, our rights were stripped away. Never mind that Reagan and Bush were funding and supporting the Central American drug cartels. You should look into those fact, I remember watching it all go down, as coc aine flooded communities everywhere.
Originally posted by nenothtu
I think the Tea Party, whatever other faults it may have, is on the right track with the debt deal, but that again is purely subjective, based on personal experience. My experience tells me that living debt as a lifestyle will enslave you to your debtors, without fail. I personally think that is a very bad place for an entire nation to place itself, and that it can only lead to misery.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Debt is somehow NOT debt if as government does it as opposed to an individual? What is the difference?