The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by poet1b
You people who have bought into this free market advertising campaign, who fail to see that the free market concept is nothing but repackaged communism, are helping those who want to destroy the government of the U.S., and turn control of our country over to International Corporations, primarily the bankers.

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

I begin to see where your odd notions come from in the remainder of that post. Care to explain just how your mind makes those rather odd connections

It is pretty simple.

TPTB have used "free market economics" to justify the creation and stabilization of a small plutocracy.

A plutocracy is very similar to communism in that a small group of "central planners" control industry and "the government" is a whole.

They are all playing out the roles assigned to them by the Dark Ones who wield the power behind the scenes.

They are ALL anti-democratic, corrupt and guilty of abuse of power. With the exception of a tiny handful they are ALL THE SAME.

You're just buying into their fake charade by singling out any one party, because that's exactly what they want you to do because it creates division and hostility amongst the populace and distracts attention away from the real rotten core of the problems.

There are only two parties. Them and Us.

reply to post by inforeal

What is the difference from the government running everything [ communism] than a small group of oligarchs
[ capitalism] running everything.

A studied ignorance of the meaning of Capitalism.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone,"it means just what I choose it to mean --- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice,"whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--- that's all."

Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll

reply to post by wcitizen

There are only two parties. Them and Us.

I wish more people would figure that out.

The elite are very very good at twisting meanings. Black is white, Corporatism is "Capitalism", Cartel monopoly is "Free Market" "benevolent rule by the elite" is "Socialism"....

They use their propaganda machines, the MSM and our "public schools" to try and brain wash us and mold is into good little unthinking serfs who are "Team Players"

What the heck ever happen to our intellectual giants???

They got dumbed down and fed Ritalin by our school systems, permanently removing them as a threat to the "New Order"

..Believe it or not, there are now over 5 million school kids in America on psychotropic drugs, most of which are prescribed and administered by the schools themselves. That's the report we get from Kelly O'Meara, writing in Insight magazine on June 28. In addition, according to Teacher Magazine of December 1996, there are four million kids on Ritalin alone, one of the most powerful of the drugs now being given routinely to children in American schools....

Ritalin has been with us since 1955, when the FDA first approved it.... www.ritalindeath.com...

meanwhile the children of the elite are sent to "Classical" private schools like Phillips Exeter where they get the type of educations our grandparents did.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by nenothtu

 

What is the difference from the government running everything [ communism] than a small group of oligarchs
[ capitalism] running everything.

One is government, one isn't. I'll let you figure out which is which.

It's near impossible (but not completely so) to avoid government, but not corporations. Don't have to do business with them if you don't want to. Well, until Obamacare attempted to force everyone to do business with insurance corporations. We'll see how well that works. I'm not going to, don't know about you.

One thing they hold in common though is that I used to ignore corporations, and obey government. Now I pretty much ignore both. When the government gets back in the business of governing, maybe that'll change.

Or maybe I should have said IF instead of when...

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by poet1b
You people who have bought into this free market advertising campaign, who fail to see that the free market concept is nothing but repackaged communism, are helping those who want to destroy the government of the U.S., and turn control of our country over to International Corporations, primarily the bankers.

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

I begin to see where your odd notions come from in the remainder of that post. Care to explain just how your mind makes those rather odd connections

It is pretty simple.

TPTB have used "free market economics" to justify the creation and stabilization of a small plutocracy.

A plutocracy is very similar to communism in that a small group of "central planners" control industry and "the government" is a whole.

Well then, that's not a "free" market, is it?

You know, it's odd, but I STILL don't do business with anyone I don't want to. I can't quite fathom why anyone thinks they have to.

That's pretty weak to be led around like that.

reply to post by nenothtu

You know, it's odd, but I STILL don't do business with anyone I don't want to. I can't quite fathom why anyone thinks they have to.

That's pretty weak to be led around like that.

I stick to farmers markets and swaps, flea markets and small businesses.

reply to post by nenothtu

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

Glad you asked.

In capitalism, people own their own property, but in a free market system, communism, corporatism, nobody really owns anything, except the banks, which essentially own everything, except for the property of a few non-conformists.

It is a cold hard fiver on the noggin, but that is what has been done to us.

reply to post by nenothtu

You know, it's odd, but I STILL don't do business with anyone I don't want to. I can't quite fathom why anyone thinks they have to.

Yeah bro, and I also don't work for anyone I don't want to. I don't need a business of my own, my skills are my business.

The laws that regulate business, prevent them from committing crimes like dumping massive amounts of poison into our environment, don't restrict my ability to engage in the market. Some guy who chooses to dump poison into the water supply which results in little kids dying a slow death of cancer for profit should not only have to pay out large amounts of money, but should die just as horrible a death IMO.

How do people not get this?

Oh, but you do business with the bad guys whether or not you like it, or know about it, under deregulation.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Excellent post, you did a good job of putting things into perspective.

It seems that the main reason people who support the tea baggers are on this thread is to distort the truth, and try to claim that the tea party isn't the same republican, conservative party that created all the problems that these people are complaining about.

The Tea party completely consists of right wing conservatives, who preach free market economics, ignoring all the damage that free market policies have done to the U.S., and the entire planet as well.

Oh, that's a good point.
Has socialism/communism done damage to the entire planet???
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Have you noticed that Cuba doesn't exactly have a booming economy?
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Long live the Tea Party!

Way to ignore history.

CIVILIZATION has damaged the planet, INDUSTRIALIZATION has damaged the planet, and Capitalism is environmental destruction's MAIN homeboy. Capitalism tells environmental destruction, "YEAH! GO AHEAD! Progress, profit, and consumption are good! GREED is good! Keep on keepin on! And if things get bad... the markets will magically work everything out for us!"

As for Cuba... WE PUT SANCTIONS ON THEM. In case you don't understand sanctions... read up on IRAQ and how the sanctions completely f***ed them over (mostly their populace, not the higher ups). And beside that point... who the heck is calling for America to mirror CUBA?? Nobody. Even Michael Moore painted it as ironic and sad that Americans can get health care in freaking CUBA but not the United States.

Unfortunately for the Tea Party... they won't be long lived. Most of them are older and fed a strict media diet of Fox News. Not only that... but from what I've seen, many of them don't have facts on their side. It's sad really... but mostly irritating, like when a suburban white boy tries to be ghetto... Tea Partiers are the least oppressed, most prosperous, most status quo, and (at least ideologically) most represented people... and they're trying to pretend they're oppressed revolutionaries "taking their country back", they don't know who they're taking it back from, they think they know, they don't know where they're gonna take it back to, though they think they do; they're ideologically adolescent and demographically old.

I'm sorry... but every time I try to find respect for the Tea Party, they go and say something ignorant and screw it all up.

reply to post by SaturnFX


What good is mass education if its as bad as education is now? We already throw so much money at education now, and just look at the grammar on the Internet? Why is the NEA focusing on special safe zones for gays when our kids can't even spell? It's clear that the education system has been turned into a social engineering mill turning out cogs in wheels. That directly relates to the Statist desire to have mindless robots serving the State.
There is nothing that can't be done in the private sector. There has to be balance between the community and the individual. A One World govt will never serve the needs of the individual. The plan is to serve the State. But again, you seem to enjoy the idea of some nasty bureaucrat controlling how much water you get every day. You have bought into the lie that resources are not replenishable and that some guy at the top has to dole it out to everyone. I shudder to think there are more who think like you.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Undertough

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Oh, that's a good point.
Has socialism/communism done damage to the entire planet???
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Have you noticed that Cuba doesn't exactly have a booming economy?
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Long live the Tea Party!

What is the economy like in the US right now?
One to be envied?

Glad you asked.
We have a GDP of about $14.7 Trillion. That's not bad.
Apple is blossoming thanks to free market capitalism.
Intel and AMD are pushing 32 nanometer CPUs out the front door like crazy.
22 nanometer CPUs are on the way.
Why aren't other nations making CPUs?
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America is still magic because we have a financially strong middle class.
If we didn't have this terrible housing market wrapped around our necks, the
U.S. economy would be in better shape.
All we need is a capitalist in the White House.
Right now, we have a socialist in White House masquerading as a capitalist.

Apple, Intel, and AMD hold virtual monopolies on their markets. Certainly this is not a good thing.

As for other nations not making CPUs... actually they do. Though I don't understand your point regarding Capitalism and micro-processors... certainly there is a CULTURE in America centered around computer manufacturing, there is fertile ground here for it, certainly it's not just Capitalism which has made this possible. In fact... processing power was always predicted to grow exponentially, and whichever companies hold that market will obviously profit off of this. How the heck would Socialism prevent the manufacturing of micro-processors?? (especially considering the fact that EVERY government practices various forms of Socialism)

Even so... how are micro-processors a legitimate victory for Capitalism when it has caused so much destruction and wealth funneling into the hands of a few? Even the creation of micro-processors creates insane/toxic waste and depletes natural resources.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Not worthy of a response..akin to answering why I want reptilian ghosts to rule over us and turn us into frogs...aka, nonsense.

No, sorry, The Power Elite controlling resources is not the same as reptilian ghosts turning us into frogs. Not the same at all. What a ridiculous comparison.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

Glad you asked.

In capitalism, people own their own property, but in a free market system, communism, corporatism, nobody really owns anything, except the banks, which essentially own everything, except for the property of a few non-conformists.

It is a cold hard fiver on the noggin, but that is what has been done to us.

You can't be thinking of free markets in the terms of Austrian Economics.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

Glad you asked.

In capitalism, people own their own property, but in a free market system, communism, corporatism, nobody really owns anything, except the banks, which essentially own everything, except for the property of a few non-conformists.

It is a cold hard fiver on the noggin, but that is what has been done to us.

Sounds like piss-poor planning producing poor performance to me. I own ALL of my stuff - ain't no one else got a claim on any of it. Of course, if you live debt as a lifestyle, you can't really do that...

If your stuff isn't yours, how does "free" enter the equation of a "free market system"? Sounds a lot like voluntary servitude to support a spendthrift debt habit to me.

Perhaps what you are calling "nonconformist" is what I'm thinking of as sound fiscal policy?

Originally posted by poet1b

Yeah bro, and I also don't work for anyone I don't want to. I don't need a business of my own, my skills are my business.

I gave you a star for that. more people ought to learn how to fend for themselves.

Oh, but you do business with the bad guys whether or not you like it, or know about it, under deregulation.

No, I really don't. I'm pretty particular about where my money goes, and what I get for it. of course, there's always the possibility that who you see as the "bad guys" are not the same as what I see as the "bad guys".

Which one? the hijacked / mainstream one? or the one Ron Paul started up again?

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by nenothtu

 

What is the difference from the government running everything [ communism] than a small group of oligarchs
[ capitalism] running everything.

One is government, one isn't. I'll let you figure out which is which.

It's near impossible (but not completely so) to avoid government, but not corporations. Don't have to do business with them if you don't want to.

If they control all the physical variables and natural resources...you do.

reply to post by poet1b

In capitalism, people own their own property, but in a free market system, communism, corporatism, nobody really owns anything, except the banks, which essentially own everything, except for the property of a few non-conformists.

It is a cold hard fiver on the noggin, but that is what has been done to us.

Very well put.

Printing of fiat money via Fractional Reserve Banking causes wage DEVALUATION and price inflation and has managed to steal most of the wealth of the USA. It has transfer that wealth into the hands of the Banksters with a very large helping hand from the traitors in D.C. The mega-corporations are actually a SYMPTOM of the hidden wealth transfer. Most of the USA's "Robber Barons" were actually agents of the Rothschild bankers.

Cecil Rhodes (Africa), JP Morgan, and Rockefeller just to mention a few. LINKY

Small businesses are more "efficient" than larger businesses so without the stolen wealth from the population and favorable regs/corrupt bureaucrats they really can not compete with lean well run innovative small firms.

Here is an example of what I mean from SBA.gov

[Small firms:] "Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited."

distortion of terms

Poet and I have argued before only to find out we are actually in agreement and it is the intentional distortion of terms that is the problem. This is a favorite tactic of the elite since it sets up a "lets you and he fight"

The " free market system" is another term the ^%$% Bankers have perverted to mean something other than its historical meaning.

Free market USED to mean a barter system with or without the use of money. That is a FREE exchange of goods between two people. Think farmers market or swap meet, those are the true free market not the abomination they have made it into.

Now the " free market system" means a market captive to the "merchant class" cartels. Think of an hour glass if you will where goods must pass through the hands of the cartel before they reach the customers. Or think of Walmart The price at which goods are bought are set by the cartel and the price the goods are sold for are set by the cartel. FREE exchange does not enter into any of the deals. It is a take it or leave it situation.

Mr Bullard's testimony before the House is a great example of what I mean:
agriculture.house.gov...



We at ATS have to be careful we are not falling into this trap.

reply to post by nenothtu


If you don't have a mortgage or a car loan, then you are one of the rare few who actually owns your own assets. Most people have both, their two biggest assets are in fact owned by the bank until they make that last payment. When debt is how everyone lives, and that is pretty much how everyone lives these days, then capitalism is a myth.